Do you miss phones with replaceable batteries? By 2027, you won’t anymore because, by law, almost every smartphone will have them again.
I still miss those old cellphones used to have replaceable batteries but unfortunately not anymore. I recently got a free iphone 13 but the battery not removable.
Guaranteed Apple will have code that says:
If phone > 2 years old:
Slow down phoneIf battery changed:
Slow down phoneEtc
They’ll still make you buy a new phone. Don’t you worry about that.
I mean fuck Apple and all but what they were doing with downclocking the CPU of phones with aging batteries was absolutely a good thing for users.
If they didn’t do that, the phones would have randomly shut off as the voltage dropped. Their misstep was not telling people about it.
If they didn’t do that, the phones would have randomly shut off as the voltage dropped. Their misstep was not telling people about it.
Which if you have a replaceable battery it it’s not an issue
Glad to see I’m not the only sane person on these threads.
Apples a corporation that only exists to generate profit, they definitely suck as much as every other corporation, but the ‘Apple slowed down phones to make people upgrade’ thing is so braindead that it hurts.
Producers got away with going to non-replaceable batteries because “most” people replace their phone before the battery wears out. Only a portion of consumers have a problem with it.
I’m sure there’s a few of us that can comfortably get six years off a phone. In fact the phone I’m currently using is coming up on three years. I could probably get another three years out of it, but I’m going to have to replace it soon because of battery wear.
Non-replaceable batteries are bad for the consumer and bad for the environment. It forces obsolescence putting more financial strain on consumers and increases environmental impact with higher production and waste.
A phone replaced before three years could be sold second hand with a battery replacement. Otherwise consumers could keep a phone twice as long. So they’re basically doubling the rate of production and waste to squeeze as much money as possible out of the consumer. Then there’s zero regard for the environment. But you know that’s typical of how corporations do business, rape the Earth, screw the consumer. We have to keep a leash on these guys.
While I do agree that we need more modular phones, laptops, etc. having a replaceable battery would prevent phones to be fully water proof.
But I do agree with you, I have a 2-year old phone and I already experience the battery degradation. I would most likely use this phone for another year, max two, but then would be pissed by how often I need to charge it and start looking into purchasing a new one.
Planned obsolescence is definitely a thing that enriches corporations
The question I’ve been asking, since this whole water resistance thing became a trend, is why do we even need water resistant phones in the first place?
We survived just fine with flip phones, walkmans, Gameboys, pagers, etc that had no water resistance.
I love water proof phones, it’s a massive reduction in anxiety and means I don’t have to avoid bringing it into the bathroom.
They’re not even waterproof though, just water resistant. But even the weather resistance from a few years back when phones had headphone jacks and replaceable batteries seemed sufficient. Now they’re overkill, being able to handle being dipped in water. I mean it’s fine if they make phones like that, but does everything need that kind of resistance?
My S8 has been dunked in water and sprayed by the shower plenty of times with no issue. It might not be strictly water proof but it’s kind of a semantic difference.
And nah, not everything needs that kind of resistance, but it’s nice to have
While I manage ok without (but would appreciate the feature) I know several people who have destroyed too many phones by accidentally dropping it into some sort of water to ever want anything but a waterproof one.
The yellow sony walkman was waterproof.
The Galaxy S5 active is evidence that you’re just wrong. Classic removable battery but still IP67.
Waterproof ratings are all nonsense anyways IMO. The way appliances are tested does not take into consideration human error.
Gotta drop the phone a couple times onto concrete to simulate how morons like me treating it, then check its water resistance.
There are so many ways you can waterproof a phone and have a user replaceable battery and still keep it thin and sleek. But that doesn’t sell a new iPhone to someone every 2 years. It’s why anytime Apple, or any company like them, spouts off about how green they are, I know they’re full of shit. They intentionally cause so much waste it’s insane.
I wish they had some truly modular phones. The phone I am currently using is quite bulky compared to slim model phones and even a lot of Iphones, I don’t care. I don’t see why I shouldn’t be able to swap put almost every component other than the screen, it’s not like the phone frame themselves have really changed much from the original Iphones. Battery, Storage, Processor, RAM, Speaker, Receiver…even the camera. I see no reason why those couldn’t be part of modular systems.
I don’t think an actual waterproof phone even exists. They’re water resistant.
My Samsung Galaxy XCover 6Pro has a removable battery (and a headphone jack) and it’s ip68 rated. You wouldn’t be able to tell from the outside that the back cover comes off.
I don’t really mind that my battery doesn’t work well. It lasts through the day, though I’m perpetually at 40% or less and I don’t use it that much. If it’s really a problem then a battery bank charge mid day totally fixes it.
However, if I could replace the battery for $50 I would.
They could just incorporate a gasket + screws. There are a ton of waterproof devices that have replaceable batteries.
I just barely replaced my galaxy s8, and it wasn’t the battery that became the issue, it was the lack of any new software updates.
I was starting to have software compatibility issues, where installing new apps would say “android verision x is not supported”. Also, I’m pretty sure it was getting any security patches from either samsung or upstream google.
I’m now looking at repurposing the s8 into a security camera since I think it’s a waste to just throw it in a drawer.
I had an old galaxy a5 with a badly degraded battery sitting around. A few weeks ago I had nothing better to do so I opened it (breaking the glass back in the process because of how strongly it was glued), ripped the battery out and soldered a charging cable straight to the phone’s battery contacts. It now lives on a phone stand in my car, connected to a bluetooth OBD2 scanner and I use it to show a couple of additional gauges like oil temperature, instant fuel economy and engine load while driving. The 12v output provides just enough power for the phone to reliably run and with the lack of battery I don’t have to worry about it exploding if it sits in the sun for hours. I haven’t found a way to make it turn on as soon as it gets power, so it’s mildly annoying to turn it on manually every time I start the car, but I can live with that.
That’s pretty clever I’m starting to think of doing that to my old Google pixel to play mp3s
You are right. My iPhone XR is around 4 or 5 years old, and now I need to charge it in the afternoon if I have used it during work to spend some time. I guess that in a year I’ll have to replace it because the battery will last even less.
Yes yes, but companies mandate is to maximize profits and have constant growth. All those things you’re mentioning sound very anti-capitalist. The elite would have a hard time taking all the wealth and keeping everyone as slaves.
Does this mean they’ll mandate SD card slots and headphone ports too?
Don’t worry. Phone manufacturers will appease this in the most frustrating way possible. Kind of like how apple does the at home replacement hardware.
Doubtful since those are not required for the life/longevity of the tech.
Which this isn’t totally solving. Don’t get me wrong this is a good thing. But the real issue with planned obsolescence is OS support.
Very true, limited OS support kills most devices eventually, sadly there is only so much you can mandate as many apps and programs will stop working on old OS as they are updated. What should be criminal is apple patching old OS too purposely slow them down.
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However, there is an exemption for high-performing and durable batteries until 2027. This means devices with high quality batteries that retain over 80% of their capacity after 1000 charge cycles do not need to comply with the removable battery requirement until 2027.
So premium phones like the iPhone would be exempt.
I don’t think you said anything differently? The article said ALL batteries must comply by 2027. You appeared to say high performing batteries don’t have to follow the law until 2027. Both of these statements, the original post and your revision, are true – all phones, including high performing batteries, must comply in the EU by 2027.
I had an S3 for ages because you could get a replacement battery for like $12. Upgraded to an S10, can no longer swap the battery. Biding my time.
I hate this forced upgrade/payment model and how phones seemed to double in cost almost overnight.
They’re even trying to get sneakier with the contracts. 3 years now to payoff your device, instead of 2, but the payment is the same. Absolutely bonkers.
Wherever possible buy outright, it is always cheaper. If needed, get a 0% interest credit card and use that to buy it outright. Do not fall into their trap of paying hundreds more for convenience and interest, all while never actually owning the device.
* in Europe
Tim Cook can suck a fat one.
He’d probably just enjoy it.
Oftentimes EU device laws affect other markets because it’s easier to send the same device everywhere than to design and produce a separate one just for Europe.
Yeah I don’t see Apple paying for wildly different phone designs for different markets. But I have no doubts they’ll find some new way to make their phones worthless after 2 or so years.
Updates. That’s all you need to know. They’ve already be caught with the whole slow phone after updates to make you buy a new phone.
I used to say that- but, they did actually have an argument for that- consistent battery life in exchange for lower performance. They thought users would prefer lowering performance of the phone so the battery still lasts just as long- and honestly I don’t think they’re that wrong. 95% of the time as long as it’s usuable I don’t care about the performance of my phone- but I do care about battery life.
Its NOT just smartphones
Its damn near everything!
Electric cars, other electronics etc
Some are just not “user replacable” (such as a cars batteries)
this law will change all iPhones. It will also change all tablets, laptops, EVs, e-bikes, and anything else with a rechargeable battery
Headphones, gaming mice, gaminh controllers. Its gonna be great
The big one at the moment - at least in the UK and IMHO - is disposable vapes. I see them everywhere, just tossed on the ground or at the side of the road. The reason I see them is because of their flashing blue LEDs still running, meaning there’s at least a working battery and support circuitry in there. It’s disgusting that something like that is tolerated. I’m hopeful that the requirement to have user-replacable batteries will eliminate them by making them uneconomical compared to standard vapes.
I don’t understand why disposable vapes are even legal at all. I mean we banned friggin’ plastic straws but this thing is fine?! Who even came up with such a terrible product in current times?
The EU by going after the self-mixing market. Bullshit like allowing duties on liquid that doesn’t even contain nicotine so you end up paying through your nose for flavoured glycerine/propylene glycol mix. Limiting nicotine-containing liquids to 20mg/ml max, and 10ml bottles at that, while there were never any issues with what was legal here (Germany) under ordinary toxic substance laws (without being a chemist): 50mg/ml in any size you bloody want (usually 100ml because it degrades once you open it).
Before those laws the market was largely modular systems, tank and mod separate, plenty of replaceable batteries, with all that bullshit added on vaping sensibly became so expensive that people went “meh, can just as well use a pre-built”.
The UK actually were the sensible ones in that area, but I guess the market shift reached them by sheer force of Chinese production capacity.
Based EU
*In the EU.
Manufacturers aren’t going to make a different model for the rest of the world. It’s much cheaper to just make one model.
A good example is Tesla models 75D and 100D - they both have the exact same battery pack but the 75D is electronically limited so that the range is less than on 100D so it’s cheaper tho it’s the same car.
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I support replaceable batteries, I do. But I want one person to show me all the cellphone models that are going to have to change their design to comply with this law. No device I have done this repair on is affected. You don’t have to have thermal energy, and all the bits and picks needed are already available for $30 or less. So I’m seriously failing to understand just why people keep conflating this with cellphones when they already are abiding by this
The law affects every device with a rechargable battery. Not just phones.
So b3øecause the law just says all devices with a rechargable battery, and we all have phones…
A lot of phones are not easy to replace batteries on without ruining the glass back or whatever. Thats not “user replacable” basically. Some are easier than others though.
The law doesn’t touch on that at all my man. Commercially available tools and without the use of solvents or thermal energy. You may not consider that user replaceable but that’s the law as written. And that’s able to be done currently on the overwhelming majority of cell phones. In other devices it is a major change, but even this thread is “Smartphones”.
Gonna be fun to see new tech for it to still be water resistant.
This is the best news I’ve read in a while. Hopefully the US (or at least Cali) jump on board as well.
Seeing as our (Cali) CCPA is about as strict (if not moreso) than the GDPR it’s not a longshot that they might.
I have mixed feelings on this. I think there were a few good reasons to move to sealed batteries. In an ideal world you could give consumers choices between the various trade-offs and offer multiple models or variants.
But of course that will never happen because non-replaceable batteries present a far better business case. If they were forced to offer options, the manufacturers would deliberately make the user-replaceable models far shittier and then complain to the regulators that they were unpopular.
There are plenty of smartphones with user replaceable batteries, consumers just don’t want to buy them. Gaskets that are robust enough to keep out every bit of humidity are always going to be a little thicker than adhesive, which means phones that use gaskets are always in the “rugged” market segment, or the less-premium segment where people don’t care about a few mm dimensionally.
https://www.androidcentral.com/best-android-phone-removable-battery
I am curious how Apple will get around that this time. I’m almost sure this will be as funny as the whole story about the USB-C cables
They’re now slowly moving to be repairable anyway, as far as i can see. Probably an Image thing.
Simply remove the battery and sell iPhones with magsafe battery pack cases instead?
or just like the vision pro - a wired external power pack with a proprietary connector to the iPhone, but USB C on the power pack :D
Lmao that’d be hilarious!
Hopefully all Apple employees are still on Reddit.
Super capacitor instead of battery. lol
