Discord users are cancelling their Nitro after new mobile layout update::undefined
Who cares
Every time I open discord it just generates popups about features.
Its fucking annoying.
Making a separate button for patch notes like everyone else would take too long.
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I can’t believe people on here unironically use discord. I thought only zoomers and pajeets were it’s userbase.
Least elitist Lemmy user
Good morning sir
Zoomers and whatnows?
Pajeets
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Lol why the downvotes?
I wonder
I cancelled my nitro years ago because what exactly is the benefits that I can’t do with being a freeloader? Besides I’m sure they scrape all my data anyways
Not a user of discord, by what are the reasons people use nitro for ? And who would be the audience to purchase this ?
Larger file size uploads was my main incentive.
Non shitty camera/streaming quality. I spend time with my daughter on discord so I want the best possible experience as we play and laugh together.
The choice is made for me as a 2nd class Linux user lol
Try vesktop, it makes discord actually work properly on Linux (among other things)
Neat, will do!
I just like using animated emotes
Sorry but, How are kids/teens able to sustain expenditures for Animated Emotes? Isn’t this a luxury product purchase ?
A lot of teens in the US have jobs; I’ve worked since I was 14. At $10/month that’s like 1 fast food meal, and if you use it as your major chat platform that’s easily worth it for the convenience it offers you. And teens don’t generally have other major bills to pay.
Understand. Thank you for explaining. Why isn’t Element more widely used ? Isn’t that a free and FOSS based ?
Trying to gauge why discord paid version even is a thing.
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Makes a lot of sense. The audience is young and they would want an easy interface to install ! Thanks you for explaining!
Personally, I think the update is a genuine improvement. Everything is more intuitive, and labels for the UI was very much needed.
Yes, it finally makes some goddamn sense. It’s still awful, but I find it genuinely easier to find the things I want.
Yeah, it finally feels like a mobile app that you can use without having to know the layout of the desktop version first. A friend of mine that never used the desktop app really struggled with basic tasks on the old mobile app.
Yeah, same. I didn’t even touch the friends tab at all, so having it as DMs works better for my purposes. But Discord is trying to be the app for so many purposes I’m not surprised people are upset by a major UI change and having it be different to the desktop layout.
works better for my purposes
For yours, not others. That’s kind of the crux of the issue with most UI changes nowadays. They’re made for the “average user” and the average user has the most basic needs, utilizes few advanced options, and takes advantage of the least functions. They don’t even glance at the settings menu.
And when your primary goal developing software is to serve that audience, you will end up inevitably prioritizing aesthetic over functionality over time, until you’ve got…well, until you’ve got the reddit mobile app.
“Look pretty, do less”
And every time you do that, you’re pissing off your power users a little more.
As with most issues with UI changes, they could be solved by giving the user options to customize their experience to their needs, but the idea of customizable UI is verboten nowadays for consumer apps.
I dislike a couple things – swipe to reply in general, hiding the server member list within search, and the way they laid out the new tab that combined DMs and friends list. Making the friends list horizontal profile pictures to scroll through is just annoying. Other than that it’s fine.
Imagine paying for Discord in the first place
I don’t pay for Nitro but I don’t have a problem for people that do. Servers aren’t free so it’s that or ads.
I pay when it’s half off, mostly for streaming quality. Their full price is kind of insane.
I swear Lemmy is against paying for anything. So many freeloaders in this world.
Lemmy and Reddit users are always simultaneously saying ‘pay people a living wage!’ while also saying ‘no ads, and make it free forever’.
Yea it makes sense in some cases
Most people can still use Discord for day to day stuff without ads. The extra features are mostly cosmetic, or things like better quality video/audio, which comes with increased load
Data tracking is probably still happening though
Ohh yes absolutely. Disco is a privacy nightmare.
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MSN had animated emotes for free like two whole decades ago. MSN had unlimited size file transfers two decades ago, I’ve sent entire games to my friends on MSN. IRC networks haven’t really starved for cash either.
I pay for YouTube Premium since it came out, Netflix, indirectly I’m paying for my emails, matrix, even lemmy.
With Discord, all your money gives you is… emotes and further vendor lock yourself into a proprietary Chinese company and looking good to toxic gamers by flexing those emotes and server boosters.
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Yeah exactly. I don’t pay for it because I don’t think what they offer is worth paying for. But I do use the free tier because it’s a pretty good service and it’s where people are. They haven’t done anything near as bad as Twitter or Reddit have this year.
If other people are willing to pay for the cosmetics, I say let them. If the service is able to be profitable that way, all the better.
I mostly pay to support them, and I get a few fun but completely unnecessary perks for it…
proprietary Chinese company
Gonna need a citation for this. Pretty sure they’re a privately-held US company.
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MSN had animated emotes for free like two whole decades ago
And got discontinued one decade ago because it didn’t have a viable business model. Discord is hoping to make a profit by charging for mostly frivolous premium features, which is one of the least evil business models I’ve seen in a while.
Yep. Don’t pay? You aren’t really giving up any actual functionality, just some fun things that don’t have much of any impact on the functionality
Give it time. We all know why we’re here on Lemmy.
So many freeloaders in this world.
Poor people crushed by insane cost of living and stagnant wage growth who can’t afford spending hundreds of dollars in subscriptions for bullshit, you mean.
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How dare a mid-sized outfit have a voluntary paid tier!
That’s not what they said. They said it wasn’t worth the price, not that there’s anything wrong with it existing.
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Wrong. They sell user data.
If you really believe that you should sue them and become a millionaire because their Privacy Policy explicitly states it doesn’t
although i use a different mobile client that’s built on older code (aliucord for those curious!), i still tried out the new update and it isn’t terrible imo. what i mainly don’t like is the server list and dms being completely seperate now, how spaced out things are, the swipe to reply feature, the members + pinned messages list being moved, how messages don’t have a smooth little transition/animation when you send them. there are some things i like, like how in the members/pinned messages list theres a media and links tab now… and other things i don’t remember right now lol, but the cons outweigh the pros for me… back to aliucord i go :p
Yeah it is bad.
I actually like it lol. I guess I’m in the super minority.
Yeah I think it’s a lot better, looks nice and is easier to navigate around
You’re not. Some opeople are overreacting big time. “change is bad”. This ux change is so minor compared to what some other places have done in the past…
Like always the vocal few are making are making a mole hill into a mountain again.
I’m glad I can use a custom client on Android.
Which?
Source: like 7 people on
twitterXYe, but it’s significant since that’s 80% of the Nitro subscribers
Make it 70. I am a Nitro sub actually make it 40 I have 3 other friends that are as well. Well now technically 30 because I have an additional friend in Sweden who pays for it. I have fiber my friends and I stream games the higher streaming quality is worth it. I also use Vencord to add some additional features.
More people pay for things that I think are given credit for. I don’t mind spending money on a product I enjoy with my friends.
While I agree that you should buy the things you enjoy to keep them around, throwing money at every service and application on your computer just because you use them often is exactly why everything turns to shit. Subscriptions for everything. You will own nothing, and you will like it.
I would say of the services to give money to, Discord is on the lesser evil side.
Sure, they lock a bunch of stuff behind Nitro, but they’re at least only giving people ads for their own stuff and not scams or dong pills. Because if nobody paid for anything, that money would have to come from somewhere.
Discord is also extremely data intrusive and retains the right to commercially process anything you write, post or say on there. By using it we already pay with our data, nitro is just extra skimming. I will cede that they have avoided ads for non discord related stuff, which is at least something.
Running all of the web services at scale takes a chunk of money. Even Matrix has a paid tier to cover the costs of running the servers for the paying customers. The free tier performs as expected for being free and not ad supported. It’s not extra skimming if I end up with fewer annoying things in my face and some neat tricks to use when communicating with my friends.
Giving up those rights for anything your input into a commercial Internet service is fairly standard. All that AI data came from somewhere. Not saying it’s a good thing, just that it’s not atypical.
I’ll never understand why companies try to force major changes without giving users the chance to opt out, at least for a while.
Edit: -1 for an uncontroversial personal opinion. The hivemind is strong today.
This change actually has been out for a while, I’ve been on the layout for the past year or so. It’s just recently they forced the existing user base onto it where before it was in opt-in, once you get used to the layout it’s actually quite a bit better in my opinion it goes with the mobile flow a lot better, it’s just getting used to it for the first week or so sucks. It’s all so much better than their original redesign which had all of your servers on the bottom with your DM and you had to swipe back and forth between the servers to try to find it which was absolutely atrocious
Oh that original redesign was terrible. And it was insanely slow even on a flagship phone. It’s much, much better now
That’s easy. You have some ‘product manager’ or ‘UX lead’ who gets hired. They need to make a name for themself, and keeping the old thing going won’t do that. So you get a big redesign. There might even be some QA testing to see if the new design is more intuitive. There will rarely if ever be any testing to see if whatever benefit the new design brings, is offset by making existing users relearn the whole thing.
Because fracturing the UI doubles the work needed on feature changes each time it happens.
Not really. Stop maintaining it, but leave it for those who want to opt in to it. Exactly how old.reddit worked. They managed to avoid most of the backlash for their new UI because us diehards could stick to the old one.
Ideally, yes. But they make breaking API changes semi often IIRC. The old version wouldn’t last long at all.
huh, I opted into the new layout months ago. I got use to it quickly.
Edit: I went back to discord to find the server tray/drawer the beta had disappeared. If this is the final version, I’m surprised people are upset. The drawer was the most radical change.
Yeah I’m confused too. I like this new layout
The only issue I have is not seeing the server channel listings. I’ll get over it but I’m not a fan of that when selecting a channel now. Also in the experimental features they have a thing called like launchpad? I think. I fucking love that guy.
Reading this, I just switched to see as well. That drawer was atrocious UX, and the new design without it is actually pretty good.
I don’t find myself getting frustrated with having to tap repeatedly to do anything, and the separation of DMs and servers is cleaner and more intuitive than the old layout where they were mixed together.
well the drawer sounds nice in theory, but the implementation wasatrocious.
I’m actually not against just putting the server list at the bottom, as discord is basically unusable with single hand atm
Discord design team has been utterly useless since they changed to the dark theme being the default in like 2016
they just tried to justify their overstay and over-payment by changing shit for the sake of changing it
if people werent lazy such lazy apathetic blobs i could have left the platform years ago.
I managed to get barely a hundred people to switch from a 3k server and after a couple of weeks most stopped talking altogether, internet communication sucks man.
Discord offers subscriptions and micro transactions in a chat app. This is the future of everything thanks to people going “oh it’s not so bad”.
“oh, at least there are no ads”
except they’re shoving microtransaction ads literally everywhere.
Various practices that make you feel like you’re missing out by not buying nitro.
Profile decoration shop ads almost in every single place.
There’s even a dedicated nitro gift button on the message bar.What discord client are you using? Mine never hits me up for MTX’s. I know nitro is there, but there’s no intrusive pop ups.
Lol, remember when Discord had a birthday for 30 days?
Reminded me of that Jimmy Neutron episode.
I mean, they have to make some money some way…
And who determines how much money they need? Some c-suite asshole who wants a 3rd mansion?
They’ll take as much as they can get while providing the bare-minimum in return.
It’s called “maximizing profit”, and a lot of people in this thread don’t seem to understand that.
You’re not obligated to pay them if you don’t want to.
Don’t worry, I don’t.
Oh sure.
Or the board of rich assholes who do nothing for the company but hold up their hands every quarter.
I like nitro for the audio and stream quality benefits. It’s not much money and makes the experience with friends better.
Doesn’t seem much different than streaming services asking for more for 4k streaming.
Then they ask for a little more… Then a little more… This is why Netflix is $20/mo now because not enough people have the will to do without. These companies make you feel as if you’re missing out or that you can’t survive without their services, and when that happens they own you.
…stream quality is fully controlled by client side.
you don’t need nitro for streaming at any quality you want to, just any client modI have shit internet so the audio and stream quality does matter to me - its the universal emojis and sound board that keeps me paying. I’m not ashamed
Considering how much is free and how much of a better experience it is compared to competitors, yeah, it really is not so bad. The MTX boil down to a few cosmetics and ability to use more bandwidth (ability to upload bigger files, stream in 4K)
