cross-posted from: https://lemmy.whynotdrs.org/post/494473
Compared against the predominant incumbent social media platforms, the fediverse is very small.
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we really need to stop calling it formerly Twitter and just call it Shitter.
he ruined the platform, the people can ruin a name
I would have loved to see the parts that are not under the US-American influence. What are Asian, African or South Americans using?
Something like WhatsApp >> Youtube > Instagram > TikTok > Telegram > Facebook > Reddit > Twitter, with some variations and local additions from country to country.
Facebook, mostly. For China it’s WeChat.
Not actually the region you asked about, but wykop.pl is actually larger in Poland, than Reddit.
What a lovely site! NSFW/not safe for egalitarians
Tell me that’s like the Truth Social of Poland and only reflective of the extreme right (preferably lie if it’s not)
ETA: this was the fourth hottest(?) post under “Excavation Hits” (Apple Safari translation). It’s not just them happening to share data… one top comment is the N word spelled using the phonetic alphabet, come on.
For China:
- TikTok is called there Douyin
- microblogging is mainly done on Sina Weibo
- Baidu Baike (by Baidu search engine) is counterpart of Reddit?
Thanks for the information!
I don’t know what makes you think South Americans are not under US influence cause I can tell you things in Brazil look exactly the same: Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, Twitter… well, Whatsapp is also absurdly popular around here but I don’t think it qualifies.
Sure, that formulation was not very good. But you get the idea. There is not only the “western” social media world. But what does it look like? I have no clue about what people use in Africa for example.
What’s app is also Facebook.
So facebook, threads, What’sapp, Instagram are all FB owned lol. They need to be broken up for being that huge.
Who doesn’t like an underdog? 😤
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And girls
WE’RE ON THE RADAR, LEMMINGS!
LET’S GOOOOOO!
TO THE ATMOSPHEEEEEERE!
Baby steps are better than no steps for sure
I was reading the Wikipedia page linked just an hour ago.
and I was surprised to see over a billion daily users on Facebook. I used to think at best that’d be in millions.I understand now that what do people mean when they day social media’s amplification of a certain message can have great impact. I used to take it lightly, partly because I an totally detached to any of these big platforms.
and being on Lemmy is a wholly different experience.
So this is the Pluto of the internet?
To be honest, despite the smaller community, I feel more at home in the Fediverse than ever I did in those big, bloated, commercial communities.
Damn! I didn’t know so many people still use Facebook. But it still doesn’t sound right. I definitely don’t feel like 37.5% of Earth’s population uses Facebook.
Wow, the Fediverse is actually visible :0
It is wrong
Can we please try to deadname Twitter harder? As a person who had an x in their name, it’s really annoying to have some dickhead copyright it
As a person who had an x in their name
Does that mean you changed your name?
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I started lurking twitter somewhat regularly only after the reddit meltdown, and I’m already got so used to X that I instinctively type X into the address bar and press enter to go there. The problem is, it takes me to xvideos.com instead…
Don’t worry pretty soon Reddit will join us in being tiny.
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They have a lot of users voting and viewing content though.
How many times do you plan to post this same damn comment?
I like your optimism, but I’m not sure I share it. I suppose it depends on your definition of ‘soon’ and ‘tiny’.
Look we are on the map!
As always, you guys are way too fixated on size.
I wasn’t fixated on size when I met your mom
Yes. Quality is the key thing about fediverse. Also - size doesn’t mean everything. Black holes are small, but mighty. Lemmy sucks most of my spare time already.
My take away from this is lemmy is so good it’s actually a gravitational singularity pretending to be a social network 
So is my wife
Thing is, you have to measure from the user base on the underside, this graphic obviously uses the wrong method.
Meh. Not like there are shareholders to appraise of growth…
Here too there are misconceptions!
What’s important are the hard numbers, soft metrics like user count are misleading! Some may look large at first, but hardly grow with higher engagement, while in others engagement greatly increases the size.
True. Related to that I wish there were more engagement on lemmy. Most of the posts in my stream have zero replies or 1 and it’s the bot. But let’s keep smaller numbers - quality over quantity.
I feel like I want to contribute, I just haven’t found the right community yet…
Same for me. I started to chit chat a bit here and there just to have some more activity but I miss a community I like to be part of.
We’re not filtering for quality vs quantity at the moment, more people isn’t going to change anything for the worse there.
True, it’s not at all stage where it’s likely to be a problem. The army of very old persons isn’t at the door just yet ;-)
I appreciate your punnage (if that’s the right word)
Lemmy alone creates more content that I care about. This is fine.
Not always
Lemmy still doesn’t create enough content that I want
But I try to use lemmy more anyways
Hopefully more people will use lemmy more
Yeah technique is really important too.
It’s not the size of the ship, it’s the motion of the ocean.
Yeah, and let me tell you… Facebook’s motion does nothin for me, as big as it is…
That’s true but it does take a long time to get to England in a row boat
I’m surprised that the fediverse is as popular as it is, I would’ve guessed <500k. That’s awesome. I’m also shocked that Threads is apparently that popular, I completely forgot it existed immediately after it launched. I also didn’t know that Snapchat still existed, so maybe I’m just out of touch on social media stuff.
Facebook forgot it existed too, they just recently made it possible to delete threads accounts without deleting Instagram
Threads was built on top of Instagram infra (essentially Instagram but for text posts) so it’s not surprising the two accounts were intertwined. Would have made it easy to roll out an MVP (minimum viable product) when there was a need for it, and quickly iterate on it after launch. The original launch didn’t even include a web version as it wasn’t finished yet.
Meta realized the same thing we all realized when we came here: userbase entrenchment is significantly more difficult to overcome nowadays than it was back in the 2000s when Facebook managed to pull everyone over from Myspace.
Legitimately, it seems like the average user nowadays is so hellbent against even a modicum of inconvenience or a slightly less populated environment that they will accept literally anything. The big tech and social media platforms couldn’t shake off users if they tried anymore. They can do every every shitty, anti-user, anti-consumer thing under the sun and users will bitch about it, but never, ever try an alternative.
And that’s why these companies and their devs don’t listen to feedback anymore. Why bother?
This is just factually untrue with the numbers lemmy by itself has being having. Not to say anything of Mastodon and et al. There wouldn’t be a mass exodus of highly engaged folks from reddit to lemmy if users just didn’t move anymore. Threads got big but then instantly deflated to a much lower number immediately.
Active accounts on Lemmy instances is in the tens of thousands. I like it for the most part, but it’s not really a significant part of the 1.5 million in the graphic.
I’d like to see the breakout in the Fediverse for Mastodon vs. all others.
Thanks!
I’m surpsied Kbin is so low.
I’m actually not, I was really excited for Kbin during the migration and just got on .world until it was more fleshed out. But 6 months later I think it missed the first boat out of Reddit and may not catch on now
The project still lacks an API meaning there’s no mobile apps, so I imagine that hinders adoption.
Thales was kind enough to provide a link:
What is a misskey?
Japanese fedi server
cooler mastodon
Peertube is bigger than I thought!
Didn’t FB use some shady practice to make their users fall into Threads without noticing?
I think this was a misunderstanding of a bit of shitty functionality in threads. If you had Instagram and made a linked threads account, you would see follow suggestions for people who hadn’t made an account yet. It was basically “if this person makes a threads account I want to be following them”. I don’t believe it meant those suggested people had a shadow account or anything like that though. Still sketchy and probably drove inorganic growth, but I believe the number of users is counting the number of people opting into opening an account.
It’s just naturally going to be incredibly high, because so many people use Instagram and would’ve been exposed.
The Fediverse is going to get a lot bigger once Meta turns on federation for Threads.
Or it’ll kill it!
RIP XMPP
How? XMPP still works anyway.
Oh yeah it works so I guess by that metric it’s not dead
Of course, silly me
Well, what do you really mean?
I’m not the person you asked, but I’ve heard an argument that goes like this: Evil Company will “embrace” something, then “extend” it in a way that only works with Evil Company’s product, then “extinguish” that thing by making Evil Company’s approach incompatible with it. A discussion is provided here: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Yeah, but I don’t know if that really applies to XMPP. Google turned on XMPP federation for seven years and then turned it off. The article basically admits that it’s counterfactual to say that XMPP would have wider adoption or be more developed today if Google never did that.
I think a more significant concern would be if Meta hires away Fediverse developers, but that is separate from them just turning on federation.
i use it. conversations is a p good android app and it’s in the f-droid repo. disroot runs an xmpp service and if you’re cool, they’ll give you an account.
Mastodon is by the biggest contributor to Fediverse as a whole. Has been adopted by tons of Orgs like EU, W3C, Verge, Flipboard, etc.
The fact that I regularly recognize my fellow Lemmings by username makes it feel small, but its not too hard to find a community full of strangers either.
I’m just curious what you thought might have happened to Snapchat? What app took its place in your estimation?
I think I got Snapchat and Vine mixed up or combined in my head. I’ve never used either one, I thought it shut down years ago, but what I’m remembering is Vine shutting down.
Vine was basically TikTok with shorter videos. I feel like it was a bit ahead of its time - phone cameras weren’t as good when it launched, and a lot of people didn’t have enough data to watch a feed full of videos.
I agree
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