GM Says It’s Ditching Apple CarPlay and Android Auto for Your Safety::undefined
safety
Lol
They’re going to sell a self-developed product at some monthly premium, for sure.
“We are dropping carplay and android auto because mobile phones distract the driver”
But the dashboard looks like this
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GM says Apple and Android have access to a ton of data on consumer habits in their vehicles that those systems don’t share with the auto manufacturer, so they’re ditching those systems in favour of their own that gives them direct access to all that user data under the guise of a safety change.
“Consumer habits.” What does that even mean in the context of a car? If we are talking about CarPlay/AA and not a replacement of the underlying automotive OS, it’s literally just a phone. Apple and Google can track what their users do with their phones. They can’t see how a user interacts with the car, beyond maybe inferring driving habits from speed and location?
GM is full of shit, there’s no need for them to be privy to how I use my phone, I already get enough of that shit from Apple.
Mozilla investigated the type of stuff car manufacturers collect, including things like “genetic information” and “sexual activity.” GM just wants greater access to these types of things. Since they can’t seem to build cars that people want, they have to resort to dystopia means such as this in order to raise revenue.
And don’t forget that GM is now in full control of which features become available in different models of car. No more pesky Apple or Google giving users new features for free; GM gets to plan the obsolescence now, and charge subscription fees for features and updates.
And they get to rake it in on both ends, charging their “partners” for access to the app ecosystem and prominent UI placement, the same way TV makers do (I have a dedicated IHeartRadio button on my TV remote, and I guarantee you it’s not because any TV users ever asked for that). They might not be doing it yet, but it is the natural direction.
Of course they will still face competition from dashboard phone mounts, which I suspect a lot of users will prefer in the end.
Yup. Back to charging users for the “nav package” and subscriptions for updates. No more pesky Google Maps with their constant-updated content
Yes of course GM only has its customers’ data’s best interests at heart i’m sure…
This is an deal breaker. I usually buy GM but now it looks like Ford now
What they mean is that you have zero reason to pay GM $20 a month for their substandard, unsecure garbage navigation and cloud services, and that’s not allowed.
Interesting… 🍿
As if I needed another reason to not buy a GM.
Good reason to continue my GM boycott of their garbage vehicles.
GM is seriously so fucking trash. Everyone I have ever known with a GM product had seriously regretted it within 6 months.
I’ve put 160,000 miles on my Impala. I’ve had to replace a vent solonoid once, took like 10 minutes in the driveway. Also had an evap solonoid go bad. Other than that it’s been oil, brakes, and tires. 8 years on and still my daily driver.
Just like every other brand, you have to know which models, years, bodystyles, powertrains, etc have excessive issues and avoid them, then hope you don’t get the 1/100 that’s a lemon.
I own a 2001 pickup and the transmission went once. Other than that no major repairs in the 15 years I’ve owned it.
I’d say their truck drivetrains are second to none in terms of quality (and wildly popular in the modding community) but the rest of their lineup is straight cheap junk.
Thousands of broken sun shells in that era
Currently, this a dealbreaker for me. As in I won’t buy a vehicle that does this, or charges me a subscription fee for a built in feature like heated seats.
I have a GM vehicle I like. I already don’t pay them for OnStar. I’m certainly not going to pay them to replace my phone. And then likely have to pay for cellular access for my car.
I’m ditching ever considering them for a vehicle purchase for my own sanity.
Fucking OEM infotainment systems are bullshit and I will never buy a car ever again that doesn’t support CarPlay and Android Auto.
It doesn’t even really need that.
All we actually need is a Bluetooth receiver, maybe a FM radio for backup.
Android Auto / Car Play Nav systems are the best though. Although the stock one has a HUD on mine.
I would be 100% fine with that. If I want my car to have a screen, I’ll stick my phone to the dashboard somewhere.
My current car has a regular double DIN head unit in it, which I can take out and replace at will (or just replace with a big 3D printed pocket for all I care). I am dreading ever having to purchase a newer car, because I know it’s going to be wall-to-wall integrated proprietary electronic bullshit blaring in my face and nagging for subscriptions all the time and it’ll be impossible to disable or remove.
I have a car with the bullshit.
The built-in Bluetooth is laggy, and this on what was a high end car at the time.
Glad I got it for less than half of new price.
People ask me why I have so many motorcycles. Lots of reasons, really.
But I think I just decided on a new one. All of my motorcycles have no bullshit. A full manual riding experience; one engine, two wheels, the road, you. End of list. Two of them are fancy enough that they include a clock. That’s the full extent of rider distraction features.
Two of them are fancy enough that they include a clock.
Man after my own heart!
I have one of those, it’s a nearly 30 year old motorcycle, engineered in the 80’s. Still gets 30mpg all day long. Gets more if I’m easy on the throttle and doing longer trips. But the clock is rarely right (battery is often dead cause I’m lazy).
My only complaint is bloody carbs. Uggh. Those things are 19th century black magic (and I grew up working on engines with carbs, so I understand, but loathe them). Fuel injection was a game changer for automotive reliability. Fortunately you can buy add-on FI for most car engines, and it just works.
One of many reasons I will never consider a new car. My old one has an aftermarket Android stereo that blows all the OEM ones out of the water, and it needs zero internet access. All I need is Spotify, AntennaPod and Magic Earth.
Tbh I was already no longer considering them. My previous car was GM and got junked before 10 years were up. Now I’m driving a Nissan still going strong (edit: on year 10 right now), haven’t even had any major problem yet (knock on wood). By year 7, the GM had a replacement engine, clutch and starter. And I was living with the fuel gauge not resetting to zero properly when it started so having no idea how much fuel was in the tank until the low fuel light came on.
This experience has been so much better that it will take a lot to get me to consider an American brand over a Japanese one.
Good choice. We have a 2023 Suburban for work, robot didn’t seal our passenger door correctly, steering wheel misaligned from factory, they installed a broken door panel on the rear passenger second row door, electrical gremlins make the auto mirrors adjust randomly, backup system sees ghosts. Absolute embarrassing they ask $80,000 for this. We got it brand new with zero miles.
I considered the Suburban but ultimately chose the Ford Expedition Max. I’m glad I did, I couldn’t be happier with it. Android Auto is on all the time. No issues whatsoever. Got it new in '21.
The only safe solution is a proprietary GM solution.
Glad Apple and Google are getting the boot, but you can be certain the best interests of the consumer were not part of the consideration.
I’d agree with your first statement if they were getting the boot in the place of a company with honesty, value, integrity, quality and security.
GM is none of those things, and it’s highly unlikely they’ll ever be any of those things.
This is bad news.
Yes, let’s trust a corporate that’s doing things for our safety out of the kindness of their heart.
it doesnt really matter why they do it as long as it increases security imho
maybe they do it to sell more cars because their cars are deemed safer than competitors? so what? less people dying and getting injured is a good thing
There’s no way a real human being older than 12 actually believes the things you just typed.
The mental gymnastics to attribute phone projection vs some in house app to deaths is crazy. The only thing this will protect is their own bottom line
Like Google
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Yes but also Google provided useful software and services in exchange for your data and OEMs give you nothing but a shit infotainment system.
Hyundai and Kia it is, then.
Their warranty isn’t a sign that their cars are good, it is a ploy to make you think their cars are good.
… What did that have to do with warranty?
Kinda middle of the pack overall, but they’re our ahead of every American manufacturer, so there’s that.
They started the 100k warranty to build confidence after their engines were failing do a design flaw they blamed on a manufacturing error found in 1.2m cars. They screwed owners by not replacing the engines due to mileage, then they upped the mile limit after the owners spent thousands replacing the engines with used ones that had the same design flaw. Why used and not new? The new engines, that still had the same design flaw, were backordered for 6 months or more.
They have almost 4m recalled vehicles going from present to 2010 because of random fires on multiple components and have instructed owners not to park indoors.
Their hybrids have an active louvered grill that opens with an electric motor which is not weatherproofed, which can cause the grill to stay closed and cause thousands in damage when water gets in it and the car overheats.
Seeing the problems I have seen with them while working automotive means I could never recommend someone buy one due to their consistent poor design and lying about their engine failure cause.
They had the 100k warranty long before the theta engine debacle.
I had one of those engines. 6 month wait for a rebuilt one where I couldn’t drive my car. Got the new engine, and the same problem developed a mere WEEK later. I basically had to walk from a freshly paid off car and get another car loan :( they have decades of proving themselves to do before I’d ever even consider buying one again. I fell for the “but their quality has really improved” BS once now.
I felt so bad telling people what the situation was. Ya’ll got screwed so hard.
I think the best they can do is the Genesis line. I only say that because looking at how they are engineered is leagues better than Hyundai/Kia. They are more like a German car than an Asian car. I still wouldn’t own one though.
Their expected reliability is lower.
