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As someone who works extensively with the spin offs instruments, I can safely say that they would be just as outraged. They are all bad quality, fail VERY frequently, and, guess what, you have to subscribe to be able to use all the features of the hardware you bought.
Jokes on you. HP is moving into the energy sector with their spinning bodies with magnets attached.
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I still can’t believe his cartoon got cancelled due to reverse racism… No, seriously, I can NOT believe that he actually says that shit.
Edit to add: I’m so confused to see people agree with me in their replies but also obviously downvote me. Maybe they didn’t make it past the first sentence? Oh well, I’ve really been appreciating the discussions I’m reading!
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I’ve never thought about it but you’re right, anyone using that term is immediately telling on themselves.
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That would be anti
The term “reverse racism” has been around for decades, a mis-application (sometimes intentional) to imply racism is automatically one way.
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I don’t know. I feel like these guys were on to something.
Reverse racism is nonsensical.
It’s just racism.
Was gonna say I vaguely remember when HP implied some level of quality
HP was indeed affordable and good. They made good laptops and laser printers for many years.
Emphasis on the past tense.
Strong emphasis. I had an HP laptop in college in 2006. I believe I took good care of it. It freezes one day in the middle of homework, I pull the battery out in frustration. It never turned on again. No idea what I did but it died.
Did you pay for the antifreeze? That’s probably why
I think my Mcovfee subscription had just expired. Should have known better!
It pays to have a good antifreeze.
Back in my day…
I remember Carly Fiorina getting hired and almost immediately things started turning to shit.
I don’t know, it often seems that the prior ceo (often with the help of the board) sets a company up for quick profits, but long term doom. Then he leaves and they miraculously hit their first female CEO (see GM, Yahoo, Reddit, Blizzard, Twitter (currently)).
I don’t disagree with that, but she knew exactly what she was brought in to do and jumped in with both feet. Would it have been someone else if she turned the gig down? Of course. But she said yes so it was her.
Oh yeah, I forgot to add that Carly specifically does is probably a pretty terrible person (hard not to be when vying for republican office). Good point.
HP is still plenty serviceable as long as you’re getting HP Enterprise. The consumer stuff has been trash for almost 20 years now.
HP and HPE are two separate companies.
I suppose that explains the difference in quality and usability
Ooooooooh
that explains a lot
Running Linux on a HP Victus desktop. The hardware is fine (I got it at a good price when my last home built PC crapped out and graphics cards were overpriced - it was simply the best deal at the time)… Bloat. Bloat everywhere in windows.
Actually, they are still ahead of the competition in industrial printing, their indigo and pagewide web presses are very good and reliable, but of course those products belongs to a whole different market segment
At their “cheapest” 0.099 euro / $0.11 USD tier it is already literally cheaper per page (albeit certainly not faster) for me to print documents as 8.5x11" 0.1mm thick single layer slabs of plastic on my 3D printer.
An entire “blank” page, i.e. no cutouts for text or anything, would be about 0.754 grams of plastic. That’s about $0.0143 per page at a not-too-exorbitant retail cost of PLA filament ($18.99 USD for a kilo) and the material usage would be even less once the negative space for text is subtracted. And I don’t even have to buy the paper.
That’s mind boggling. Apparently I’m in the wrong racket.
That’s pathetic, hopefully they go out of business soon. Just think of all the filiment that could have been made instead of e waste
Easy. Never buy HP. Their printers are shit and so are their laptops.
What’s wrong with their laptops? I’ve never had any issues.
For starters you don’t need a heating unit if you keep their laptop running inside
There’s someone to say something bad about every computer brand.
I’ve never had that problem. But I’ve never had a particularly high end HP laptop so maybe those are different.
Also their batteries get pregnant every other year and if you don’t fix it, it sets your house on fire.
Damn it, people need to stop fucking batteries or use protection.
Hahahahaja
Thanks for the laugh, and the vision.
Also, I’ll be stealing the “getting pregnant” line
🤣🤣🤣
Source?
Anecdotal.
Their consumer line has very poor build quality. Cheap everything. All of the plastic is flimsy and breaks easily, inadequate cooling, etc. They’re built about as good as Acer, but at a price that you’d expect from a much, much better brand.
Then there’s how dedicated they are to screwing you. I won’t touch them again for any reason after how malicious they were with the nVidia failures.
The only thing that still might save printers is competition.
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Dude. Brother was founded in 1908.
1908 was … like 20 years ago.
Euuhh does nobody realize Brother has existed for like 20 years and doesn’t pull all this HP shit?
You were right until around 2020 when Brother, too, started to roll out firmware updates outright blocking third party toners or even worse, making the printers intentionally print like crap with third party cartridges:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131
Now, that even Brother has turned to the dark side, I really don’t know what printer to recommend other than older/used Brothers with firmware updates disabled.
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Also, laser printers don’t dry out. Don’t need a subscription.
“They cost money because they save money”
My 1996 Lexmark laser just died this summer. Fortunately I inherited an HP laser (older one) with wifi. Works like a champ.
Picked up a used color laser for $50 a couple years ago.
With all the Big Brains at HP making up all this atrocious bullshit you’d think one of them would say “why don’t we buy all the competition like the large media companies are doing? It’s not like the US will stop us, hell they’ll give us subsidies or something.”
Good, HP finally running their printer businesses into the ground. Paperless or bust.
Just making it easier not to buy one!
“buy”
/Shocked pickachu face.
Get 'em hooked, make 'em pay.Subscription-based hardware business models, or anything that is cloud-based have a strong tendency to do this. They sucker you into buying their hardware with rock bottom prices and reasonable subscription fees and slowly they increase the prices and put more and more features and functionalities behind increasing paywalls.
Never buy anything that you don’t fully own after paying for it.
Cannon has gotten so bad, that I can’t remember what printer brand I hated before them. I am pretty sure it was cannon though.
too bad. they used to be petty good
Oh Brother, where art thou?
I hate hearing that about Canon. I’ve always been a big fan and they used to be the reasonable ones. Of course my printer is a bit older, to the extent that it’s not supported in Windows 11 (it’s easier to print Windows documents from Linux or my iPhone), and it’s off my list for any future printers
Yeah, I had a Canon BW laser printer that has chugged along and gave no complaints with a toner cartridge I paid $20 for a 3-pack. Another family member has inherited it but hearing the fact they are stepping up their DRM leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Are these posts about HP just a way for Brother to advertise in the comment section
I mean I’m definitely cancelling my HP subscription, but still. It’s a lot.
Not advertising but I did buy a brother laser maybe two years ago for home. I rarely need color, if I need something stunning I’ll send it to Office Depot and pay .50 each. That’s maybe two time a year. $20 a year for an off brand toner cartridge otherwise.
LOL, if not, Brother’s marketing should lean into it. I got an old HP laser that cranks 1,000+ pages for $20. I’ll run the wheels off it and buy a Brother.
HP is coasting on goodwill from us old folks who remember when they were the best of best.
No. It’s like bitwarden. Everyone’s praising them to shill levels because they are generally that good. Brothers just run and run without nagging or insane prices. They do tend to be a little more expensive because they don’t lose money on the hardware like HP or cannon will.
Perfect analogy. I completely shill for both Bitwarden and Brother printers because they legit are just that good. When I find products like that they’re what I push to my family and friends because they “just work.”
If it helps even it out for you - I’m quite happy with my Epson lol
I hate to /HailCorporate but it was affordable, takes cheap unbranded ink, and hasn’t given me much trouble (I don’t use it often, so the ink heads do dry, but a couple of cycles of head cleaning and they’re good to go again).I think it’s just wave after wave of people who are shocked to discover what a horrible mess HP printers are. Some of us learned it many years ago.
I’ll shill for brother because it’s cheap, they don’t lock out generic cartridges, prints well on the network from Linux, and seem to last.
What they are missing on compared to HP is parts support. However, the comparable HP printer with parts support is twice the price and the parts are almost the cost of a new cheap printer.
Lexmark is okay too, I guess.
It’s literally cheaper for me to drive to a local printing shop, pay for parking, and drive back, than buy one of these dogshit HP printers, and then get scammed by their ink cartridges
Wow, what a scam!
So the plan dictates how many pages you can print each month? Feck no! I own a Brother laser printer and I’m so glad I escaped the HP madness years ago.
Yes and no. If you exceed that, I think they just bill you for the next tier.
If you cancel, they immediately remote disable the perfectly working cartridges already in your printer that are still full of ink. Even if you’ve fully paid for the remainder of the month.
It’s a complete scam. Just don’t buy an HP printer, Instant Ink or not.
Of course they disable the cartridge. You’re paying for ink on a subscription. If you didn’t pay for cart in full, why should you be able to use the rest of it? That’s literally what you signed up for. Otherwise everyone would get a full cartridge for $1.
If you don’t want to do ink-cart-layaway, don’t sign up and buy the cartridge.
Disabling mid-month is a scam though.
Me: writes whole reply about why mid month canceling is a scam, and then realizing I didn’t read your last line and writing this instead.
They could have made this subscription far easier and fairer if they wanted to. A service that simply buys a new cartridge once your existing one reaches a threshold (say 20% left) would be simple to implement, simple to understand and even be quite useful. Instead this Instant Ink thing is an abomination of multiple tiers and price gouging.
Holy shit, .15 euros per page? Why not just run to der Kinkos? I haven’t checked but I imagine it’s cheaper there. I get the convenience of having a printer at home but this is like if every cup of coffee you make at home cost you the Starbucks $8.25.
Or just don’t buy HP.
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In the US, if you print ~52(+) B&W pages a year, HP Instant Spyware is seemingly cheaper.
FedEx Kinko’s:
Non-EU- lett Packard:
For color, HP’s cheaper once you print two pages a month.
Printing is a good excuse to walk to the local print shop. Let’s say, though, you have to drive your Honda Civic a couple miles through Los Angeles - that adds roughly thirty cents of fuel (ignoring other vehicle costs). (That’s our bestselling car in our second largest city, because you wouldn’t give up your parking spot in NYC.)
Conventional wisdom is to buy a Brother laser printer, but there’s a bit of upfront cost for the color models, which are a little larger when comparing versions with scanners to inkjet all-in-ones. Who wants to do the math on those :)
…whoh they have their own subscription!
Anyway I think this is more like having a printing-press-barista in your closet instead of going to the print-barista down the street. It could be anywhere from 76 cents more expensive to $5.80 less expensive a month. Compare to a Mr. Coffee which you’ll pay off right away by skipping Starbucks.
tl;dr let HP siphon your data, what’s the worst that could happen? 😈
You forgot about that beautiful thing also known as your local library!
Mine is around 2 miles away from my home and only charges me 10¢ per b&w sheet. Its absolutely perfect for any printing needs I may have.
Unfortunately my city’s library system was hacked a few months ago and all of their computer services are down until January while they un-fuck things. In the meantime I go to Staples when I want to print.
Great point!
In San Francisco, it’s ten cents AND you get two bucks worth a day free.
You reminded me: sometimes local politicians will let you fax (and thus perhaps print) free at their offices.
Does that include the price of the printer?
Oops yeah add in $45!! That’s 67 color pages worth of cheddar if you walk to Kinko’s - that I forgot about.
probably cheaper to print with blood than to use HP printers
Really cheap if you BYOB
I BMOB everywhere I go
The cheapest plan 0.099 Cents for each page 10 pages in the month. 1500 pages per month 54.99 € respectively.
Yeah, depending on where you live, it may be cheaper to go to your local printer shop. Plus minus cost of transport and your time.
I did not check HP’s prices to Poland. Table lists 100 pages as 0.07EUR/page. Krakow, Poland, nearby printer shop takes ~0.02-0.07EUR per A4 page, and there is no subscription. Nor doing 100 pages.
My thing is…they can dictate how much you use YOUR OWN PRINTER??? Like…how? Why? What.
Like…
WHAT.
$8.25 for a Starbucks? Man, it’s like £3.55-£4 here in UK.
I’ve got a whole 0.5kg bag of coffee for that much in Germany, and that’ll last me almost a month (~25 cups). What’s so good about Starbucks that it costs as much per cup?
Nothing really. I just can’t make that when traveling. Unfortunately when out and about in the UK you either have Costa, Starbucks or Nero around the same price or McDonald’s and Greggs which is cheaper. It’s very hard to find any local coffee shops.
Depends on the drink. Get a super-frappa-extrashot-sugar bomb and yeah, it’ll be $8-9 easy. A regular medium coffee is $3 or so.
Depends on location too. I live in Seattle, I don’t know the last time I’ve seen a cup for less than $6 on anything other than drip
hahahaa i recently dumped them for a big, sturdy, traditional, offline Brother laser. it’s ridiculous how much more satisfying it is to print, especially without HP breathing over your shoulder counting how many pages you’ve printed in the last billing period
Satisfying isn’t the word. We have to generally use HP for SAP purposes so unfortunately I have to buy HP for work. Guess what? Every fucking month a few clients need printer support. Just HP bullshit time and time again…
I have brothers, kyoceras and others that just work and work without any issues. But HPs are just nagging offline fucking pains in the ass.
