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They bought themselves into a beta test/focus group. Apple still doesn’t know what this will be. It might be a Newton MessagePad. Or it might be the iPhone.
Apple is great at polishing and packaging things that already exist. The iPhone was a better Blackberry, the iPod a better MP3 player, the iMac a better all-in-one PC… I have a hard time thinking of stuff they truly pioneered. The Newton maybe? That did not end well for them.
If I had to bet, the Vision Pro will turn out to be a burnt pancake, but long term I have no doubt that something like it — something that augments reality one way or another — will become a thing. And in the meantime Apple has pockets more than deep enough to survive a failed Vision Pro.
The backlash against them trying to innovate is kind of dumb though. They aimed high for a change, and taking risks like this should be lauded not laughed at.
The problem is they didn’t aim high enough. AR/VR lives or dies on software. And for what they launched, it barely has the OS, and apparently that thing, although very polished UX wise, on security it’s a swiss cheese. And few people has the pockets to develop apps for it.
They are still failing, in 2024, to put touch capability into their computers. This isn’t a company that does innovativion well, and it hasn’t been for over 15 years. It’s totally fine to scoff at this attempt.
I really don’t see touchscreens on laptops to be something to judge a company’s innovation on. I work in communications and I can really only think of two coworkers that personally own touchscreen laptops.
I have zero interest in touch screen on my laptop. It is not standard on Windows and has yet to show any really benefits.
It’s 100% not anything like the original iPhone. Say what you will, it will never be that.
I just meant as successful. They’ve had several. The original iPod. The iPad. They’ve also had duds. The newton. The HomePod. The Pippin. Ping
There was quite a different reaction to the iPhone when it launched, so I’m pretty confident it’s not the latter.
It’s a native feature of the device that allows its user to get enormous amounts of attention, in real life and subsequently online, by simply wearing it in public.
Sounds horrible. I guess I’m not someone who seeks attention at any cost like some people, it public is the last situation I’d use this thing in. I would feel like a complete dumbass wearing it at a coffee shop and waving my hands around.
It’s the same problem google glass had. It can be the most information rich and user friendly device in the world but if you look like a dingus wearing it, it will never catch on.
That’s what I thought about the elephant tusk looking AirPods yet here we are.
The Reality Distortion Field sometimes makes things hard to predict when it comes to Apple products.
People on here are wired.
Air pods just look like regular apple headphones just without wires.
They sure as shit look less goofy than my huge pixel buds that stuck an inch out of my ear.
You’re probably thinking of the current gen AirPods rather than the original (comparison).
Lol. So Gen 2 they were finally like “let’s shape this thing more like someone’s ear”. Then Gen 3 “Fuck it, ears are apparently different shapes let’s just go with the tried and true method that’s been around on $5 earphones for a decade”
Only “pros” have human ears. Everyone else must be mutants.
I thought they looked like uncooked long macaroni.
I’m kind of surprised people felt that way about AirPods. I don’t remember that at the time. They seem quite mild to me at this point - people didn’t mind wearing regular earbuds around, why worry if there’s a cord or not?
They look like puss leaking out of the ear to me.
What if I already look like a dingus?
Then if you wear it you’ll be an even bigger dingus and make other dinguses look less dingusy. It would kinda be a public service of sorts I guess.
The lesser known brother of the Overton window - the Dingerton window.
Two dingi don’t make a right. Or something.
Dingi.
Pronounced ding eye? Dingii? Ding gee eye?
My brain hurts now.
It rhymes with dinghy.
But thats just a single dinghy.
If you pluralize that its either dinghies or dingii?
Meh, my autistic brain gets stuck on weird stupid shit like this.
Its like… If you have a donut, then a second donut, you have two donuts.
You can say two donut to be cutesy i guess?
Very hard for me to tell when being cutesy is appropriate.
One dingus, two dingi.
Don’t they cancel each other out?
No, if you touch two dingii together you still have two dingii.
Two sexy, sexy dingii
Now the singular is “dingius?”
Hmm. They might. Hadn’t thought of that.
This requires more research. You must buy one - for science! And, I guess, for “science “.
Unfortunately they multiply instead of cancel
One times one is still one
i times i is -1, though. Imagine that!
Yep, no chance I’m drawing that much attention to myself.
The creator of the Apollo app recently tooted about wearing his out in public, getting noticed, and then secreting away to his hotel because the attention made him uncomfortable.
I’m probably more of an Apple fan than I like, but I can’t imagine owning one of these, let alone wearing it out in public.
It seems like Apple kind of forgot that good tech should first be good tech. They’re leaning heavy on this being a lifestyle item, but like - there’s no lifestyle out there that hinges on looking like boring versions of the guy from ready player one.@christianselig@mastodon.social
Made the mistake of wearing the Vision Pro at a coworking space and some youths saw it through the window and started yelling “YOOOOO Vision Pro!! yoooooo” so now I’m going to my hotel
lmao, poor guy.
boring versions of the guy from ready player one.
Feels like there’s some redundancy here.
That makes sense… he’s a fairly normal person. I could see using the Vision Pro at a co-working place anyway, especially for someone who’s an iOS app developer.
It does seem like an oddly clunky device by Apple standards. I don’t find the overall idea abhorrent and could picture owning one down the road - perhaps after they’ve had a few years to make the device smaller and less expensive. I have no idea what I’d use it for though. Maybe once there are more exciting games than repackaged mobile games like Super Mega Fruit Ninja.
Oh, yeah. More power to him. A later post by him said that the app he’s developing for it has already paid for the cost of the headset. I fully believe he’s just out there working.
I’m hoping in a few generations, when they’ve got the form factor worked out, and the price under control, that it’ll be more to my liking.
I don’t think I would ever want to interact with someone while wearing it, but it could be great for all the things VR is great for, but without the creepy Facebook privacy invasion. (I know - Apple is slipping down that slope, too. They’re just not as far down it yet.)
Yeah, last thing I want is more attention while wearing those things and the chance that people will be able to hear the audio from the pr0n I’d be watching on it.
The masturbating in public might be a dead give away too
Oh shit… I wonder if they see me doing it now? This subway car seems pretty full, but no one’s making eye contact… so I should be cool.
Actually, this makes me wonder if the Vision Pro would register your strokes as inputs while you were trying to do the deed?
Yes. And if you’re connected to the internet you’ll start summoning demons.
Public? No officer, i was masturbating on the moon!
Nono you can send out a signal to everyone else’s Vision Pro to hide what you’re doing with your hands. You’ll be totally in private!
NY post is awful. Deliberately misconstrued this Reddit thread for clickbait.
Web based vr pron works.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculusnsfw/comments/1ahffm0/anyone_figured_out_porn_on_the_vision_pro/
Sideloading apps is also easy.
Ah, my bad. Thanks for the correction!
Where there’s a will, there’s porn. You can watch porn on any Apple device now. The issue I believe they’re calling out is a formatting issue with some video formats that porn uses, but that can be fixed with some conversions and probably more depends on 3rd party apps, which will likely show up at some point if they’re not already there.
The porn thing is overblown - it’s only about VR porn. You can watch all the porn you want in a video player or web browser. However people who don’t like Apple eagerly ate up this news, as if Apple banned porn on the device somehow.
And it’ll get snatched from you faster than an iphone
Simple solution. Kensington lock attached to the gonads. The device can helpfully warn others against theft with an LED projection on the wearer saying Big Cojone Security is active.
Its a 3500 dollar computer you wear on your face, that can only perform basic computing tasks which can more cheaply be performed on a cell phone, draws enormous amounts of attention to the user when used in public spaces, and both the ability to use it in public spaces and the attention drawing nature of it are marketed as pros.
Ok, so its now exceedingly clear that anyone who would get this thing is a wealthy idiot who has 0 experience with an impoverished community, as if you walked through a poorer area, you would just get mugged and have this high value device stolen from you.
And frankly at this point I would morally support that happening.
Not that it likely will, as anyone both dumb amd rich enough to have this happen to them generally has no kind of on foot commute through any such impoverished area.
I want it like crazy. No chance I’ll wear it in public after I pull the trigger.
I probably would throw it in my backpack on hikes to do some captures of stuff like waterfalls and nice mountain views. They’re really nice and not something you can do with my regular camera.
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How does that work? Does it stitch together panoramas?
So I asked, and you can’t do captures to use for the backgrounds with the headset (I’m guessing they use better equipment and maybe some processing), but it does do “spatial photos and video”. That was part of the demo in the store and they’re really impressive. The 15 pro can also capture a 3D video that still looks cool, but has noticeably less depth than the captures with the headset.
I’m not sure the exact technical details, but there are a whole bunch of cameras and other sensors. I’m assuming it uses all of them combined to capture the 3D photos. But there was a lot of depth in the version I saw in the demo.
They bought Tim Cook a new private jet. I thought they’d have figured by now.
“Just park it next to the others.”
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He needs two so he can Van Damme between them.
I was not aware that existed. Why are they driving backwards? I’m more impressed by the skill of the truckers than that split.
For anyone else that is unaware. https://youtu.be/M7FIvfx5J10?si=WUoZYFGqwRvLl6a2
Seems it’s safer, if he fell, there’s not much risk
That’s why they said a new one. Only peasants have just one private jet.
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Mate I have a private bike
Alright Mr Moneybags, no need to brags
Why own one when you can own two?
He only has 6, he needs 1 more for Sundays
An overpriced VR headset.
Arnt they all.
I got the original vive which just my beatsaber player but due yo having a wife a job and chit to get done it lives in its protective case and when I do get a min yo use it both controler batteries are dead due to time living in a box
Jesus, reading this made me feel like I wrote this.
I haven’t touched my headset in months
Reading it gave me a headache.
I gave my Index to my son who has the time and physicality to use it. I’m just too old for action gaming now.
I would have loved it if I was 30 years younger. I can do more from a chair with my desktop PC than an Apple Vision Pro can. It’s just another Apple Con.
It’s why I ended up selling mine
Made a pretty penny on it due to when I sold it
I ended up selling it for $750 with the deluxe audio strap right around the time Halflife Alex came out
If they are, then this vision pro is truly extortion.
VR requires a bit of setup, which is off putting. I dont have the space to have mine out all the time, theres also a shortage of high quality games. Waiting on Valve to push the envelope again.
They are. This said, $1,000 or less can buy you the best VR rig on the market right now. This thing is four times that.
Let’s be honest the min you see a picture of a half eaten apple on a thing just add a 0 to the price tag
Translation for those who haven’t just had a stroke -
Aren’t they all?
I’ve got the original Vive, which is just my ‘Beatsaber player’ but due to having a wife, a job, and shit to get done, it lives in its protective case. When i do get a minute to use it both controller batteries are dead due to time living in a box
Vr with passthrough
Most modern headsets have passthrough, its not some new feature. It is the part that Apple focused on though.
I know they look slick but, outside of clout chasers and brand fanatics, who spends $3500 on something without knowing why they’re buying it?
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So they bought Expensive Apple Thing because Expensive Apple Thing? I’ve had a decent quality HMD for a couple years. It’s a lot of fun and pretty amazing initially, especially if you have a game or two that really takes advantage of it. However, as a utility, it leaves a lot to be desired. I was really hoping to do CAD with it, there were some modestly priced design programs that looked ok along with some free ones, because that’s a big hobby of mine. It really doesn’t work very well. The toolset for decent CAD is fairly large. A tiny wrist menu isn’t going to cut it, and the ability to precisely manipulate nodes or vertices isn’t there. Same goes for even basic functions like desktops and normal computer functions. Sure, they work, but now you have to constantly be manipulating windows instead of having an extra monitor and kicking back in an office chair.
The AR aspect could be fun, but again you’re either the one creating this content via design software with the aforementioned difficulties, or you’re the one popping the HMD on to view what your home designer says would be a nice new kitchen cabinet set in your home. A useful tool, but not a substitute for a computing and design environment.
Have you ever included the innovative tablets into you CAD work?
I am unfamiliar with that term, so I assume not.
I remember reading that it supports mouse and keyboard, but the main input control are hand motions
Not sure what that means. My current HMD supports mouse and keyboard… but seeing as Apples HMD is standalone, I guess you can hook up a keyboard/mouse via buetooth? Mine works through the pc it’s hooked up to. Nice feature, but I wouldn’t call it earth shattering. Both VR headsets I’ve used support hand gestures, but I’ll assume Apple has improved upon detection and depth of vocabulary.
The people who buy something like this (hopefully) have enough money where $3,500 doesn’t matter or are developers who want to get in early on something that might be big in a few versions.
Everyone else should avoid.
These are the early adopters phase. This always happens with high-end tech. I’m not sure how advanced this set is compared to the competition in order to justify that price.
Peak conspicuous consumerism. They just need to make an app for it that does nothing but costs $5k like the infamous “I am rich” app when the App Store just opened.
We should start calling these the “new oculus” or something. The marketing has been insane and neither Meta or Apple would benefit. It would be like when people called every console a Nintendo.
I’m going to the store do you want a Coke?
Cornetto
to live and die on the first generation of a device
I still have my old dev version of the Oculus. It came with fancy changeable lenses lol. I don’t regret that one at all and now it kinda feels like a little piece of history
Huh. And here I am, like some poor person, with no AR headset and $3500 extra in my bank account. I feel like such an idiot.
In this economy, most people don’t even have that in their account. I guess that’s part of the status bit… If you have these, who can say your not doing well?
In reality, it just makes them look like the assholes they very likely are.
You’re definitely not like a poor person if you’ve got $3,500 lol
“But I was still embarrassed this weekend when I had to stick a straw in my wine glass.” Soda cans are doable; coffee mugs are not. The first must-have Vision Pro accessory is a very long metal straw
Or this works too
They got a hololens, but like 8 years later, for the same price, and still just as useless.
try a thousand more than the horrorlens lol. Our hololens 1 and 2 devkits were $2400 iirc.
Wtf ever happened to hololens
Same thing that will happen to the Vision Pro. They stalled but eventually made a second version and had horrible production issues. After the second version was out a couple years they quit, laying off the whole team.
That’s really sad. Microsoft really should have been able to herald these into the mainstream. I guess they are just like Google now…
The technology wasn’t really there yet. The AR view was too small and the headset too big.
It was also just marketed to business, so other than it being the new fad it didn’t really take off.
I was so excited when they announced that and showed Minecraft just hanging out in the living room.
I wouldn’t have used it long.
It’s an AR iPad. It’s not that deep.
I would love to walk around with a video playing in a fixed hud while I go around doing chores. I’m constantly finding places to put my phone down every time I move to another station.
I’m not paying $3500 for that, though.
That was the idea of Google glasses but it was too early and tech wasn’t ready. It was gonna give you just enough useful info and get out of the way.
Plus Google haters made “glass-holes” viral.
I thought Google Glass was a really cool idea. I actually liked Google back then.
I’m not sure whether it would work better today.
What seems odd about the glasses is that they’re essentially bodycams, but just unobtrusive enough not to be identified as such from a distance.
Someone walking around with an AR headset makes it very clear they’re wearing a tech device, someone holding up a phone in front of them signals “I might be filming”, but someone wearing slightly unusual glasses won’t catch any attention. And that seems very weird to a lot of people.
God, I still dream of a device that works like we saw in the OG Glass concept video as opposed to the glorified Google Plus browser we got
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To be fair, that product was crazy expensive. It was basically exclusively for wealthy people. If it was cheaper, and easy to develop for, it would have been a huge success.
Look at what Apple has done here by comparison… This bullshit is even more expensive.
I’m working on an open source version of an AR OS that can run on any Android phone, so you (will be) in luck!
Post it on Lemmy when you get something running, very interested!
This is like 20€
Get a pair of Viture glasses then, it’s about $500
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It’s not even AR… Didn’t they back down from that? Isn’t it mixed reality or something?
How is augmented reality different from mixed reality? Genuine question. They sound like the same thing.
I believe AR overlays information about the real world where as mixed reality just shows you the real world with a few apps floating about
Yes, AR analyses your world and you and gives you more info about the reality, Mixed Reality just has your screens attend into the world without interacting with it. The only thing I saw that was really AR was the use with a MacBook as a screen.
You’re describing the difference between “passthrough” AR, and “look through” (or “optical”) AR.
AR and MR or more pretty much interchangeable.
I don’t think so. For example with true AR you could look at something like a bus and have it tell you information like the schedule, route, if it’s running on time etc. This is done automatically and without user interaction. What the Vison Pro does is give you floating apps you can interact with
There is nothing about the Vision Pro that prevents that from happening other than they haven’t implemented it.
The
abilityfeature to automatically give you information about arbitrary things you’re looking at isn’t a requirement for “true AR”.I’m not really defending vision pro, it seems pretty limited. But that doesn’t make it “not true AR” and MR doesn’t mean “crappy/inferior AR”
I didn’t see anyone mention this, but while this headset depicts the outside world when you are wearing it, you are viewing a camera feed of that world. True AR would be like google glass where it is a piece of glass with data projected onto it. Apples thing recreates the world around you and then adds in the applications, you are viewing the world through a filter.
It could also just be marketing too because it seems like they are trying really hard to not make this look like some nerd shit.
Virtual reality: everything you see is virtual.
Augmented reality: adds a HUD on top of what you see in reality.
Mixed reality: has virtual objects behind real objects, mixing both real and virtual
They are the same thing. I think that they’re confusing it with the difference between “passthrough” AR (you watch an opaque display showing video of the outside world) and “see through” AR (which uses a transparent display that you look through to see the outside world).
That’s because it’s just marketing bullshit.
The worst person you’ve ever met came up with it in a very upscale cube farm over a chai latte, don’t think too hard about it.
Eh. It’s a bit more handwavey than that. It’s whatever you want it to be.
Virtual reality was supposed to be simulated, but “actual still science fiction” levels of simulated. seamless 3d environment, intercepting nerve signals to look and intuitively control an avatar or ready player one had a haptic suit.
AR stems from that and was supposed to be “the real world, but cyber”. Or “VR, but with real world elements”. In the novel “virtual light”, it’s supposed to overlay that “datasturce of cyberspace” on the real world. Even then it was never really clear what purpose cyberspace as a 3d world would have, what data looks like or should look like, and what the advantage of that visualization would be. Or why would rather see that than what the world looks like.
Mixed reality is also that. Imo. It sounds the same to me too.
The whole thing is like hand gesture control. It looked great in minority report, but we had it since one of the 2010s xboxs and it went absolutely nowhere.
We don’t have mixed reality yet. The difference is that AR adds a data overlay on the physical world while MR is more like a hologram that you can interface with and everyone can see the same thing without needing additional goggles or display over the eyes.
We don’t have true MR yet. Apple is marketing the vision pro as spatial computing and it’s a mix between VR and AR.
Where are you getting that definition from? Oxford’s is “a medium consisting of immersive computer-generated environments in which elements of a physical and virtual environment are combined.”
“visitors will be able to watch a tennis match broadcast in mixed reality”
I hate Hate HATE that I’m going to say this: the iPad was just a bigger iPhone, yet here we are. It’s the perfect device for consumption and light work, yet people had no idea about what to do with it at first.
I’m more irked about that thing being gigantic and strapped to your face, thought. It’s the next level of social isolation, in a level even higher that the one cause by smartphones, and I’m not ok with that. Companies actually want to hijack and sell your reality back to you.
I’m with you. AR and VR has potential, absolutely, but companies are not our friends and they’ll find ways to exploit these things to the detriment of us. They always do.
We all know that these companies aren’t above lying straight to our faces. They’re even undermining the concept of ownership so they can milk us even further.
It’s sad, but I don’t see a reality where this kind of tech being closed off and proprietary will ever end well.
I think part of the “what do I do with this” factor for the iPad was that Apple (and other companies still to this day) were so hell bent on making everything smaller and more compact that releasing a larger product was marketing whiplash. Not to mention that smartphones were being pitched as this “do everything device” so why would you need anything else?
After you get over that marketing sugarcoating, it becomes pretty obvious what you’d use an iPad for. Internet and media consumption at a larger scale than your phone, easier on your eyes than a phone, but retains at least some of the lightweight smaller form factor that separates it from a regular laptop. Sure you didn’t have the stick it in your pocket advantage of a phone or the full keyboard and computational power of a laptop, but there was this in-between that for a modest fee, you could have the conveniences if you can live with/ignore the sacrifices.
