Apple being Apple again. Just why does anyone actually like that company?

  • Tiger Jerusalem
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    1631 year ago

    Man, they’re seething against the EU, totally pissed that the legislators worked against their abuse over developers and rubbed against their cash cow.

    Apple is all about money and fucking the user, being no different from Meta or Google. All they have is shinier hardware.

  • @DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone
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    81 year ago

    A lot of kerfuffle over not much. If you’re going to release a web app instead of a proper app, then I’m quite happy to have a bookmark to the web page instead of a bullshit fake app wrapping the same bookmark. Don’t clutter my phone with that garbage.

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      It’s more than that - for example in Safari after seven days with a bookmark, all data the website stores on device is deleted.

      With a PWA saved to your home screen, your data is kept until you delete the icon from your home screen.

      Also, PWAs don’t have a browser toolbar.

    • Rikudou_SageOP
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      121 year ago

      Well, I’m definitely not paying Apple $99 a year to be on their shit store, so I’ve opted for PWA. It’s made as an app from the scratch, not really much different from a native app.

    • nomad
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      251 year ago

      Progressive web apps do much more than just wrap a bookmark…

    • @QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world
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      361 year ago

      And you’re right for feeling that way, but having more choices is always better, not less. Apple doesn’t care for how you use their software if it isn’t the way they want it.

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      141 year ago

      Most PWAs are trash, but there are some nice ones out there that feel a lot better when you ditch the browser chrome. Voyager for Lemmy is a good one. It feels native.

  • @Fuzzypyro@lemmy.world
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    311 year ago

    As a sysadmin and self-hoster this decision will absolutely make me drop Apple 150%. A clean and well implemented pwa was a big reason I have stuck with my iPhone 12 despite buying a pixel 7. I know there are options on Android but they all have issues either in ux or in ui that makes it very obvious I’m using a pwa.

  • @Kribensis@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    This is a Reddit-style circle jerk. A LOT of people like Apple, because even though they’re almost as remorseless as Amazon or Microsoft or Google when it comes to maximizing profits, they build good products, create new product categories, and they’ve been doing both of those things for 40 years.

    Is this a sleazy thing to do? Yup. Is it as sleazy as Meta intentionally allowing its algorithm to push softcore kiddie porn to teen Instagram users? Nope. Not even in the same ballpark.

    • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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      81 year ago

      they build good products

      Which they charge x4 the value, and always underdeveloped one or two key features in order to scalp further inordinate amounts of money from their users to overcome the underperforming feature they neutered intentionally. Anyone buying from Apple is a chump getting taken advantage of and somehow is convinced to be proud of being abused by a corp.

    • @sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz
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      241 year ago

      create new product categories

      I’m wondering what they are. The Newton was kind of cool, but before it’s time. mp3 players had been out for years before Apple jumped on the bandwagon. Same with phones. I hope this doesn’t come across as snarky “fuck apple”, I’m genuinely curious.

      • @RGB3x3@lemmy.world
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        111 year ago

        They don’t create new product categories. What they do is enter an existing category, do it the Apple Way, which is generally high-quality and integrated well into their ecosystem, and thus they become the default in people’s minds.

        They’ve almost never done anything new, but they integrate existing technologies better than almost every other company.

        • TheMurphy
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          51 year ago

          “Finding the application is half the innovation”

        • @Kribensis@lemm.ee
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          -21 year ago

          Oh, man! Quite a bit of traffic on my original comment. I won’t spend time engaging on these since they’re pile-ons, but this is objectively trivial to refute.

          “They’ve almost never done anything new”? Seriously? How about the user interface when everyone was using DOS? Or the Mac Plus/SE/any of half a dozen other macs in the 80s and early 90s that redefined what a computer could act like and look like? When every other PC was a beige box with identical specs?

          Maybe the iPod, which redefined that category and made every other MP3 player obsolete overnight? The iPhone, perhaps? This was the absolute gimme, like I can’t imagine how you made that comment with the iPhone hanging around. What were phones before the iPhone? Blackberries and flip phones. Yeah, it couldn’t copy/paste for two years, but Steve wanted it released, lol.

          The iPad would be another. There were smart watches before Apple’s, sort of, but they were pretty crappy and didn’t do the same stuff.

          While we’re at it, find me some PC laptops that ever debuted with the stuff Apple put in theirs. High-res screens? Touch ID? Face ID? Even OSX, which is old as hell, is built on UNIX and rock-stable – and was definitely innovative when it first came out, as were some of its predecessors. When OSX came out, your alternative was Windows 95.

          Then there are the airpods, I don’t think there were any wireless bluetooth earbuds before those, although I might be wrong. And finally, despite it being way too expensive and five generations away from being useful, the ski goggles. Before you say there’s other VR goggles, recall that only Apple is doing that as AR computing instead of dumb fucking avatars in virtual conference rooms that probably run telemetry on how big your living room is and sell it.

          By all means, say Apple is greedy as hell, but don’t make stuff up.

          • @dustyData@lemmy.world
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            Everything, all of that existed way before Apple. Just because you are ignorant of history doesn’t make your point right. Apple got all of their ideas from interacting with other companies in private, then stealing their ideas. Jobs was no longer invited to certain demos because of that kind of shenanigans. And oh god, OSX is NOT build directly from UNIX. It’s BSD which they scrapped from the NeXT computer. Everything you are spouting is just wrong. Apple is just good at marketing to chumps who care more about status and looks than usability, and who just buy into the cult mentality and lap all of Apple’s bullshit without rubbing two neurons together long enough to notice they are being scalped with overpriced crap.

            • @Kribensis@lemm.ee
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              -11 year ago

              Please do continue to spew ad-hominem copypasta from every Apple hate thread in the history of Reddit like you’re a first-gen LLM trained on r/foss posts. “All of that existed way before Apple” … please feel free to refute each product I listed as being innovative or new by showing where it previously existed. I’d love to understand how some form of the iPhone was around way before Apple, or the iPad – please go for it.

              As for the statement that OSX is based on BSD, wow! Such an important distinction when BSD is a descendant of UNIX… this is a nice little straw man thing, please go look up what a straw man argument is.

              On Jobs getting banned from demos, that’s actually hilarious. But please do list any products I named that Apple objectively stole. I’m sure you have all the info there.

              Just super fun times, I always hoped that Lemmy would have a higher level of discussion than Reddit. But how can it, when it’s the same people and they’re even more self-important? :D

              • @die444die@lemmy.world
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                -11 year ago

                Yeah, the circlejerking and dog piling from people who have no idea what they are talking about is actually far worse here than it was at Reddit - but just know, we aren’t all as misinformed as these people. You’re absolutely correct.

          • @Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
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            31 year ago

            You’re making up a lot of stuff, Xerox had a gui UI for a whole decade before apple and they certainly weren’t the only ones.

            The MP3 player they made was literally just a feature limited version of already popular devices. I got my arcos a year before the first apple device was released and it had every single feature that apple would slowly add in every new expensive version over the next decade

            Apple does hype and marketing, that’s their innovation - taking a feature restricted version of a technology and getting celebrities and media idiots to pretend it’s the best thing in the world and actively ignore or discount the many better options.

            • @Kribensis@lemm.ee
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              -31 year ago

              Yes, Xerox PARC existed, and was totally non-commercial / didn’t offer any product. Saying the iPod was the same thing as all those crappy MP3 players we all lugged around in the aughts is objectively LOL. The rest of your comment is pretty much ad-hominem and editorial – and of course, you don’t refute the rest of my points because you can’t.

              Bottom line, discussions like this on Lemmy are no different than Reddit ever was. They’re circlejerks. I figured I’d drop in this one time to note that, but ultimately it’s pretty boring.

              • @Meowoem@sh.itjust.works
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                31 year ago

                Everyone says I’m dumb when I simp for a shitty corporation that exists on hype alone

                It must be because I’m so superior to every tech community on the web and they’re circlejetking

                Lol

                • MrSpArkle
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                  -21 year ago

                  They existed before iPod, they just didnt get the marketing blitz Apple did. Cowon comes to mind, and had much better quality audio.

                  I did some research on this, because I was a big fan of MP3 players in the late 90s early 2000s and never heard of them. Turns out that the only Cowon Mp3 player I could find from around the iPod launch was the iAudio CW200, which had a capacity of 256MB.

                  This explains why I had never heard of it, as I was shopping for HDD-based players that could hold my entire library(I was looking at PJB, Nomad, Archos, etc).

                  Sorry but this illustrates OP’s point. The iPod was the smallest HDD-based player on the market for years, all the other HDD players were chunky and could barely fit in a pocket. All the flash-based players had pitiful capacity. It wasn’t that there were no MP3 players, it was that all the products had compromises that made them not ready for mass adoption.

                  While OP is overstating some things, your counter examples are rife with oversights like this.

                  As an example you are badmouthing Apple’s “low resolution displays”, while missing the fact that the MacBook Pro was the first ever mass market high dpi laptop. Ironically Samsung had produced a limited production laptop with a similar screen, but because Samsung lacks focus and had 1000 different laptop SKUs, they didn’t make it a premiere feature of their brand, instead Apple simply bought out Samsung’s entire manufacturing capacity for years and put them in their laptops.

                  This is the pattern. There are interesting technologies, but they are in products with mediocre design or appeal, and are not mass produced. Apple identifies these technologies, optimizes them, integrates them, ensures that there is a good user experience, makes a million of them, makes a billion on that, then changes the entire landscape of the market they entered by virtue of their success.

                • @Kribensis@lemm.ee
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                  -11 year ago

                  Oh, man. I’m definitely not going to point by point. On a sub-argument that’s not even the topic of the thread? These are minutes in my life I don’t get back. But, seriously? My argument is invalid because I said Windows 95 instead of XP? And I must not have used any good MP3 players? By the way, they all sounded the same since they were playing 128 kbps MP3s… by the definition of how those work, they had to 😂

                  And just to consider this from another angle, if apple did get the goggles from hololens, where did Microsoft get their UI from in the 80s? How about Android?

                  Wow, I am so, so done seeking out a non-groupthink argument in this format ever. On any site. The memes are still better than Reddit though!

          • @bufordt@sh.itjust.works
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            31 year ago

            The iPod was so derivative of the creative labs mp3 player that Apple ultimately had to pay them $100 million.

            The Lisa and later the Macintosh copied from xerox. Something that everyone was doing around then. Amiga and Atari ST both had guis. Hell even the commodore 64 had Geos. The Mac didn’t even get color until 1987.

            Handspring had a smart phone, complete with touch screen and apps, years before the iPhone.

            Mac os didn’t have proper multitasking until version 7.5, years after Windows had it.

            Onkyo created the first true wireless earbuds.

    • @heavy@sh.itjust.works
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      1111 year ago

      Ah, sounds like what-about-ism. Metas behavior doesn’t exempt Apple from criticism. That logic tends to drive all of our standards and expectations down.

      Theres room to criticize and expect more from all of these companies who are more than capable of doing better.

      • @Kribensis@lemm.ee
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        31 year ago

        That’s fair. It is whataboutism (is that one word or 7?) And, I’m pissed off not only that Apple is messing with basic DMA compliance, but that they literally forked all their software rather than do this in the US.

        At the same time, I hate Apple the least of big tech, since they actually do give a crap about building good products and have done quite a bit of that. One can make the argument that zero other big tech companies do.

        Should we expect more of all of them? I’m not gonna die on that hill! It is way, way too late to stop this corporatocracy, but one can hope.

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          At the same time, I hate Apple the least of big tech, since they actually do give a crap about building good products and have done quite a bit of that.

          That’s an incredibly low bar. There are exceptions of course but I’d argue there really is no need to use “big tech” software much of the time. Smartphones are probably the most challenging, but desktops and laptops? Easy to avoid.

        • chingadera
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          291 year ago

          Apple builds marketing, not good products. There was a time they were innovative, and it is not now. Their price/performance ratio is laughable.

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            -41 year ago

            I have to disagree when it comes to laptops: the gap has closed a bit now, but there’s still no intel- or amd-based alternative that comes close to the MacBook air in terms of performance/battery life at the £1000-£1200 price point. When the M1s first came out, the fanless MacBook air shattered the intel i9 MBP in any conceivable metric other than pure GPU power (which the MacBook Pro could use for about a minute before overheating).

            Even if expensive, the current MacBook lineup is really compelling. If you’re prepared to spend £3000 on a laptop, you just can’t get anything similar in terms of performance, battery life, and noise. You might get a workstation like an HP ZBook with similar oomph but then you’re looking at a beast that weighs 50% more than a comparable MBP, has the fans buzzing all the time at full blast, and lasts a couple hours on a battery charge. I’ve used my work MacBook Pro (M1 Max) for a full Atlantic flight of ≈9 hours and it still had juice to go.

            • @TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
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              They start at £1,150

              MacBooks in that price range fall apart frequently due to only having 8GB of RAM. They’re e-waste.

              You’ve got to spend ~£500 more to get one with alright specs. And even for that £1,650 price point you only get 512GB storage (are you fucking serious, Apple? A £500 Acer has that amount!)

              And please don’t regurgitate Apple’s “our RAM is magic RAM so you don’t need much of it” nonsense.

              • @Jrockwar@feddit.uk
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                -31 year ago

                I have no idea what you’re on about. MacBook airs start at £999, and I’ve still been able to configure one at £1199 with 16 GB of RAM.

                Also I haven’t said anything about that magic ram nonsense, please don’t try to paint me as an idiot. Even my personal laptop has 32 GB. But different needs, different price points. I still maintain that at the price points apple operates, it’s hard to find something better with windows - not because I’m an apple fanboy by any means, but because of the laziness of Intel and the lack of decent ARM alternatives (and Microsoft’s half assed approach to ARM).

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                  I was talking about the current generation, not a 3 year old model. Similarly if I was talking about iPhone pricing, I’d bring up the iPhone 15, not 12.

                  You need to add ram to at least 16GB, and storage to at least 512GB, otherwise not only do you have a pathetic amount of storage, but your storage speeds are crippled (which apple unfortunately tries of obfuscate).

                  That takes the price up to £1,650. £500 more than the base price.

                  And I didn’t say you said anything about magic RAM. I said please don’t regurgitate it in response. I see it a lot. 8GB of RAM is straight up e-waste.

                  I can’t believe Apple wasn’t sued over their “our RAM is… like… magic, bruh” statements

        • Rikudou_SageOP
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          51 year ago

          since they actually do give a crap about building good products and have done quite a bit of that

          That hasn’t been true for quite a few years.

        • @abhibeckert@lemmy.world
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          is that one word or 7?

          It’s a word, with a formal dictionary definition: “the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue”.

          It has it’s origins in politics.

    • bitwolf
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      31 year ago

      Besides iPod and iPhone. What product category did Apple create that wasn’t there already?

      Imo Apple rolls good solutions, but they very rarely actually innovate.

    • @abhibeckert@lemmy.world
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      Is this a sleazy thing to do? Yup

      That makes it illegal. The DMA explicitly requires gatekeepers be “proactive” (that’s their words) towards opening up their platform. Removing features just in the EU is the opposite of that.

    • @Specal@lemmy.world
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      61 year ago

      They do sell good products… Kinda. But they are professional scalpers and scammers. iPhones get their performance nerfed via software after a few years to force you to upgrade. They charge Quadruple price for ram upgrades in their laptops. Now they’re removing, not dropping support, but actively removing a feature that they themselves do not have to develop to stop you installing a feature on a device that you pay for.

      Apple do not make superior products, apart from the iPad that’s a genuinely superior product. They sell a walled garden that you have to pay continuous subscriptions to stay in. The subscription in this sense is their app store.

        • @BReel@lemmy.one
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          51 year ago

          My dads iPhone 8 is finally starting to lose some of its battery life. But it’s overall performance is totally fine.

          I think a lot of people forget that most humans doesn’t need 100000000000gb of ram and 20trillion gbs of storage.

          I’m using 65gb of storage, including the os… on my baseline 128gb model.

          Most people aren’t editing 8k videos on their iPhones lol. They’re sending a text message.

          • @Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            21 year ago

            Yeah seriously. This community hates Apple so much, but so many people here know nothing about their hardware or software. It’s really bizarre. I’m a Windows/Linux user, but I’ve got an iPhone because it’s the absolute best for longevity and privacy if you want a device where you don’t have to fuck about. I’m on my computers all day, I don’t want to have to think about my phone at all.

  • Tony Bark
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    651 year ago

    Just why does anyone actually like that company?

    I mean, if Google weren’t shit, I’m sure Android would be more viable. They’ve can’t even keep a consistent brand! They’ve gone from Google Play this and that, to migrating everything - including podcasts - to YouTube.

    • @Zak@lemmy.world
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      891 year ago

      migrating everything - including podcasts - to YouTube

      If only there were other apps for podcasts on Android, it would be a viable operating system.

      Google is kind of crap, but Android has a lot more built-in escape hatches than iOS does. People don’t seem to use them as much as I’d hoped, but they’re available.

      • PhreakyByNature
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        411 year ago

        I’ve been using Podcast Addict for years now. Dunno why people think they are bound to one thing when Android offers so many choices.

        • @Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
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          111 year ago

          I think they’re just have choice paralysis. There’s too much stuff on Android, and picking something is really rather anoying.

          Something like a Gallery. There’s probably a 1000 galleries on Play Store, 50% of them are “my first app”, that display a fullscreen ad every other photo.

          You have to know what you want, research it, then get it. Non-nerds don’t really care about that.

          My guess. I’m a nerd who does care about all that.

          • Gunpachi
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            81 year ago

            You do have a point, but each App’s play store page itself shows whether it has ads or in-app purchases. One can use that as an indicator for selecting an app. So people just need to pay attention to the small text right below the App’s title

            example

            Then there is always f-droid . You can find really good quality software without ads in fdroid. I rarely use the play store these days (except when I have to update whatsapp and banking apps)

            • @Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
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              41 year ago

              Again, you’re telling this to an android nerd. I’m aware.

              I’m speaking from a perspective of an average joe, who is 100% not aware of the existance of F-droid or is convinced that it’s malware.

              I’m also don’t expect people sift through hundreds of apps, opening each page and checking permissions/ads/reviews.

              People install apps either because they’ve heard about it on TV/whatever, or a friend told them to install this specific app.

              This is why people rely on default apps, and compare “phones” based on that.

        • Aniki 🌱🌿
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          71 year ago

          I will confess I used Google podcasts for years not realizing that the FOSS alternatives were MASSIVE improvements.

      • @RGB3x3@lemmy.world
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        Is there a podcast app that automatically plays the next episode of podcasts in the correct order (oldest to newest)?

        I’ve tried a bunch of podcast apps and none of them seem to do that like Google podcasts did, unless I’m using them wrong.

      • Tony Bark
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        While I totally agree, the average Joe is just going to gravitate to whomever controls the ecosystem. Kinda hard to trust a higher authority when they can’t even get their in-house shit together.

        • @SkippingRelax@lemmy.world
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          41 year ago

          Are you implying that the average user doesn’t know how to install an app? My 80 yo parents do that on their samsung tablet.

          No need to trust any higher authorities, whatever that means

          • @BReel@lemmy.one
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            31 year ago

            I think they mean the average person isn’t going to take the time to check 20 different contacts apps in the store to find the perfect one, then do it again with every other basic app on their phone.

            They’re just gonna use the default app 99%

          • Tony Bark
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            21 year ago

            I’m implying that people choose the path of least resistance.

      • @Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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        That’s google’s strategy though.

        Although they let you have full control and don’t force you to use their apps, it’s setup so the majority just use the defaults and are discouraged to sway away from google’s ways.

        Its fully intentional.

    • Rikudou_SageOP
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      531 year ago

      Android is more popular globally, the only place where it isn’t true (AFAIK) is USA where the colour of the text bubble is important for reasons that defy logic.

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        where the colour of the text bubble is important for reasons that defy logic.

        That’s just a thing tweens and teens do, it’s just like when kids were obsessed with expensive shoes when I was a kid and would ostracize the kids who couldn’t afford them. No sane adult I have ever met gave a shit about my text bubbles.

          • TimeSquirrel
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            If that company is serious about conducting professional business for any length of time, they’ll learn better soon enough. In my industry, we still use dialup modems to remotely manage some equipment. You’d be fired for telling a customer to fuck off for not having a specific phone.

        • @Zak@lemmy.world
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          81 year ago

          That’s half-true. No adults I voluntarily associate with care what brand of phone anybody else has in theory, but a lot of the iPhone owners are vehemently unwilling to install any third-party messaging apps. That means:

          • Messaging about anything where security is important is a problem. Most people don’t have big secrets, but sending things that could be used for identity theft isn’t terribly rare.
          • Exchanging high-quality media is impossible.
          • People will exclude non-iPhone users from group chats because falling back to MMS is a bad experience for everyone.
      • @Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world
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        41 year ago

        Yeah. We usually mock apple users in my country xd they go in high debt to get one of those candy bricks and can’t even afford a cellular plan afterwards. Lmao

      • Tony Bark
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        -51 year ago

        Google’s marketing department defies logic every day.

        • @SkippingRelax@lemmy.world
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          61 year ago

          Is that your biggest concern about a tech company? Id be happy for marketing departments to he shut down and the money redirected to make better/cheaper products.

          While Google sucks now and has for a while, in their early days they have demonstrated that marketing is not all it takes to make innovative, successful products.

          On the opposite end of the spectrum, Apple obsession with marketing has created fanboys that spend the night queuing up to be the first to get the latest iPhone, and that don’t question the technology or ethics (or anything) behind the flashing toy that they crave. Good for the executives and the shareholder but as a customer?

  • @NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
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    291 year ago

    Some services, like Facebook Gaming, use web apps as a way to get around the Apple App Store and its fees.

    Smell coming out from this little hole here :)

    • Rikudou_SageOP
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      61 year ago

      Well, now they can use their own Facebook App Store on iPhones in EU, so not sure it really changes anything for them.

      • @yildolw@lemmy.world
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        121 year ago

        Their own Facebook App Store would have to pay the same fees to Apple as the Apple App Store under Apple’s generous terms. Losing the web app escape hatch is a 30% revenue loss

        • Rikudou_SageOP
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          71 year ago

          Yeah, I’ll wait until EU has their say, because the shit Apple came up with goes against what EU is trying to achieve.

  • TheMurphy
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    161 year ago

    The probably couldn’t afford the development /s

    But on the positive side, Apple is now forced to allow other app stores on all phones in the EU.

    So that’s probably a bigger win than this is a loss.

    • Rikudou_SageOP
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      191 year ago

      Depends on whether your app is distributed as a PWA or not. Mine is, so it kinda touches me personally.

      • Lemmy Reddit That
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        @rikudou@lemmings.world Just an update for you. I just tried my PWA app on last stable version of iOS 17.4 and it works again. I made a quick google search if it’s just me, or Apple actually reversed they decision and I found this (from https://developer.apple.com/support/dma-and-apps-in-the-eu/#dev-qa ):

        Why don’t users in the EU have access to Home Screen web apps?

        UPDATE: Previously, Apple announced plans to remove the Home Screen web apps capability in the EU as part of our efforts to comply with the DMA. The need to remove the capability was informed by the complex security and privacy concerns associated with web apps to support alternative browser engines that would require building a new integration architecture that does not currently exist in iOS.

        We have received requests to continue to offer support for Home Screen web apps in iOS, therefore we will continue to offer the existing Home Screen web apps capability in the EU. This support means Home Screen web apps continue to be built directly on WebKit and its security architecture, and align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS.

        Developers and users who may have been impacted by the removal of Home Screen web apps in the beta release of iOS in the EU can expect the return of the existing functionality for Home Screen web apps with the availability of iOS 17.4 in early March.

        Finally, some good news.

        • Rikudou_SageOP
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          181 year ago

          You can, but then I’d have to pay $99 per year to Apple to have it on the App Store. 3rd party app stores are gonna be a wild west for a while, so not sure it’s viable as an option.

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            I just made my app as a PWA, just few months ago, just to support iOS. F**k them. I’m not making any effort for iOS apps anymore.

            • Rikudou_SageOP
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              Yep, fuck them. For me it was not the deciding factor in making my app a PWA, but it definitely was one of the reasons I went for it.

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                I already had android app written in kotlin, so I didn’t need PWA. I guess it’s cool that I can use this PWA on computer, even if nobody would use my app on computer. When somebody asks me, why my app is not on App Store, I just ask them, would they pay 99$ per year for an app, and they say never. Well, there is your answer.

  • @realitista@lemm.ee
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    How will this affect the Lemmy client Voyager? Is it considered a web app? My understanding was that it was.

  • @yildolw@lemmy.world
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    This is probably motivated by the EU decision that since no uses iMessage in the EU, Apple is not legally a “gatekeeper”. Perhaps no one (i.e. fewer than 40 million people) uses web apps in the EU, therefore they are gambling that they are allowed to legally gatekeep in that market

  • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    161 year ago

    Apple being Apple again. Just why does anyone actually like that company?

    Marketing and build quality goes a long way to making people feel like a company is good.

    • Rikudou_SageOP
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      141 year ago

      What’s this fabled build quality that other phones in the same price range don’t have?

      • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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        81 year ago

        Sure others have the same build quality, but not the decades of marketing that Apple has. You gotta have both to get people to be irrationally loyal to a company.

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    Whoever buys apple shit will learn eventually. Or just go extinct.