• @dangblingus@lemmy.world
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    762 years ago

    This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone. And it’s a death knell of the internet as we know it. It won’t be today or tomorrow, but slowly, over the next few years, expect surface level internet services to be extremely user unfriendly. I expect normies to just accept their fate and pay access fees to literally every website and service they use, while more tech savvy or explorative people might find their way to federated spaces or Usenet, etc.

    • Ton
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      The silver lining here might also be that the internet that we knew and loved 25 years ago might actually reappear. The ‘other’ stuff would just become background noise to the ones ‘in the know’.

      • @Beliriel@lemmy.world
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        222 years ago

        Lol wouldn’t that be epic. IRC becoming a big thing again because discord, whatsapp, and all thr other business social media go to shit.

      • @thehatfox@lemmy.world
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        162 years ago

        I sometimes wonder if this would be best outcome. Rather than spending so much effort trying to fight for the internet at large, those of us “in the know” just take our balls and go play in our own corner.

        The fediverse might be a test of this it continues to survive but never turns mainstream.

        • @rolaulten@lemmy.world
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          52 years ago

          There is an author - Tad Williams, who wrote the “Otherland” series. One of the chapters has the some of the main ensemble going to “treehouse” - aka what happened in this universe when the nerds, geeks and techno wizards took their ball and went home. The series as a whole is interesting if you like sci-fi. That chapter however seems more and more on the nose the older I get.

      • @marmo7ade@lemmy.world
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        502 years ago

        You can’t win this battle by telling normies to go download firefox. They don’t care. And that’s the issue. People need to care about these issues and that starts with education. If we taught kids about computers and intellectual property at a young age, they might care. Instead I learned how to write in cursive.

        • @fievel@lemm.ee
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          252 years ago

          Exactly this is the problem, when I talk non-geek (including my wife) about privacy they answer “what the hell have you to hide !” … It’s so difficult to convince people :'(

        • @Goodie@lemmy.world
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          72 years ago

          If you have a better plan, let me know.

          Otherwise you can roll over and let the internet die and ill do what i can.

          • QuasiMono
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            -82 years ago

            Allrighty mr. Dramagoodie. You go fight the good fight, or whatever your psykosis is called. Firefox is life, but normies be normies. You make zero impact.

            • @Iteria@sh.itjust.works
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              262 years ago

              Firefox literally used to be a significant browser before Chrome showed up. Users have to download Chrome. It’s not like it default. It’s just a matter of changing habits. They swapped from Firefox to Chrome they can back. They’ll do it for thr same reason so many people left IE for Firefox: it sucked.

              When ads get overbearing and scammy, your favorite neighbor IT guy will install Firefox for them or something and tell them to use it. A child or grandchild will do the same. So it has always been. That’s how adblock even became so big. People didn’t use it before.

              Ads are so bad now, I actually went out of my way to install Firefox on my phone. My less technical relatives just refuse to use anything but apps.

              • @azuth@lemmy.world
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                32 years ago

                I think some people must be young and have not witnessed the late 90s, early 00s, before Firefox.

                You had way more new users whose only notion of the internet was the blue e icon. Macs were less popular and of course there were no smartphones.

                Microsoft pulled all the bullshit. “Extending” the standards so standards compliant browsers would not work, serving broken pages on non IE browsers and convincing an enormous amount of moron webmasters to tell you to go “upgrade” to IE while your browser could perfectly render their site.

                Yet Firefox did break that stranglehold.

                But you need to connect with people. Don’t try to do it via relatively abstract concepts such as privacy or freedom. Tell them that they won’t be able to block any ads in a year or so if they keep using Chrome. That they won’t be able to download whatever they want… etc etc.

        • @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml
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          22 years ago

          The internet was better before the normies joined. “I don’t see the problem, Chrome is fine, I don’t care if it spies” is a very common thing I hear.

        • @RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca
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          But they do care about their money. Explain it in ways that will resonate with them.

          Without ad blocking, they’ll encounter “scam ads” that take over the browser and demand calling “support” that collects their credit card info and costs them hundreds of dollars in fraudulent charges. At the very least, it’s a pain in the ass they have deal with by calling their credit card provider to cancel the charges.

          Security extensions from antivirus/antimalware applications won’t work and subject them to even more of the above.

          Malicious “attestation” services can falsely verify unscrupulous websites as legitimate.

  • Cyborganism
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    1072 years ago

    “Google engineers want…”

    No. Google executives want this to happen. Google’s CEO wants this to happen.

    They want to change the internet and remove any little bit of freedom for their own corporate profits.

    Fuck “do no evil” Google.

  • @Spruce1538@lemm.ee
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    482 years ago

    why has no news site also added, “and they are using their monopoly over the web to do it” as part of their title. 😭

  • zerkrazus
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    2 years ago

    Similar things are done with TV and streaming unfortunately. You ever notice how commercials/ads have louder volume than whatever content you’re watching? It’s intentional. If you’re someone who doesn’t skip them and doesn’t mute them, they want you to be able to hear them from another room and then they hope you’ll come back to see the ad. It’s so dumb.

  • @0ppressed@lemmy.world
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    102 years ago

    This guy is amazing. He is asking for patience to move this to a proper place to discuss this website drm and then commits it to chrome lol.

    • @herrvogel@lemmy.world
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      372 years ago

      Lmao yoavweiss seems to have recently broken the 4 year hiatus on his personal blog to make a new post about how the discussions around this retarded proposal are not constructive enough.

      The most constructive that can ever be said about this is “fuck right off” dude.

        • @bestnerd@lemmy.world
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          22 years ago

          That’s petty as fuck. I’m an ex google eng and it’s not up to us what we work on. We get paid to work on shit and if we don’t do it someone else will. Plenty of resumes in the pool ready to hop in and take someone’s spot. Blame the company not the people doing the grunt work.

          It’s like blaming the barista for the menu.

          • @Dark_Blade@lemmy.world
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            22 years ago

            More like blaming the chef in a restaurant chain for the menu. Some corporate entity might be the one crafting the menu, but they’re still the ones cooking.

            That isn’t to say we should hound the devs, but I thought we could use a better example.

          • @pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml
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            “Just doing my job” is a poor excuse. That’s no different than saying, “I’m just doing it for money”. When you’re a software engineer who could get another job without much trouble. Otherwise, you’re choosing to do what google tells you.

            A menu you don’t like at a barista isn’t even remotely the same.

            • @Mawks@lemmy.world
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              52 years ago

              “The restaurant told me to not care and use rotten food for your meal, not my fault” is basically what I can relate it to

    • Atemu
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      -62 years ago

      I fail to see how the engineers building the technical side of this are relevant to this case. It’s not their decision to put this into Chromium or not.

    • @poop@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Please don’t blame the people who were forced to implement this. There are engineers to blame behind all shitty tech in the world. They’re just trying to work a job. There aren’t exactly a lot of jobs in the tech industry where you don’t work for some of the evilest motherfuckers alive building unimaginably evil stuff. I’m all for directing as much hate, vitriol, credible threats of violence, etc at the people on top, but let’s leave the poor sap who they forced to do their dirty work alone.

  • @PrincessLeiasCat@lemmy.world
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    262 years ago

    In recent news, Google has put forth a proposal known as the “Web Environment Integrity Explainer”, authored by four of its engineers.

    Imagine someone telling you this is your job and you do it.

    • @FoxBJK@midwest.social
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      62 years ago

      While nice to do, it’s not going to solve the problem when the likes of Cloudflare are already on board with this. Apple has already implemented a similar system in Safari as well. Feels like the horse has already left the barn.

      Philosophically I want to agree with you, but when sites like banks and employment finders are going to require this it’s really going to create a horrible world of the haves and have-nots.

    • @2pt_perversion@lemmy.world
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      172 years ago

      If google really does away with adblockers I expect many more will follow. I’m not even against unobtrusive ads but the few times I’ve been away from my own pihole / ublock browser setup and rawdogged the internet those ads were next level obnoxious. I can’t live like that.

  • @jtmetcalfe@lemmy.sdf.org
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    292 years ago

    I can’t imagine anyone who uses the internet thinking the current ad technology is effective, the web is broken because of ads

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    472 years ago

    Google engineers want me to stop using anything from google