There is it. The main reason why Honey exists.
Yes, their evil plot finally laid bare. Copy what Mastercard and Visa have been doing since the 80s.
Let me guess: I’ll buy a toaster because my old one died but then I’ll get ads for new toasters constantly. You bought one, you must want another. And another. And another. Why aren’t you buying more toasters. You bought one. Buy another! Buy twenty!! People who bought toasters also bought microwaves and kettles. Do you want a toaster?
Does anyone want any toast?Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite. Would you like a toasted teacake?
“No, I don’t want any toast. No toast. No buns, baps, baguettes or bagels. No crumpets. No croissants. No teacakes, no potato cakes, and no hot cross buns. And definitely no smegging flapjacks.”
Yeah, that’s the future with AI.
Ah! So you’re a waffle man! Wanna buy a waffle iron?
It’s amazing that these companies spend ultraquadrillions on advertisement platforms and algorithms and all they ever seem to do is just spam products at you that you have already purchased. Where is all this money going?
Up next: PayPal introducing new AI that purchases random shit for you.
So… like Amazon Yesterday Shipping?
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Relevant xkcd?
I’ll be more concerned when Visa and Mastercard get wind of this idea.
Did you not know they’re already selling your purchase data? All the card networks do it.
That’s why you need to use cash to buy anything you don’t want logged to create a data point about you to be sold
For items or just the shop? Because I write EPOS systems for a living, and as far as I can tell, we pass no item data to the credit card merchants.
The shop is obviously passed to them. So maybe don’t buy from Dave’s Enormous Dildo Emporium.
The card companies can get data from the Merchant Category Code to infer the nature of purchases, without specifics. The stores also have a record of what items you bought, which could also be sold unless you have a contract with the store that guarantees they won’t sell your purchase history (at least in the countries without strong privacy laws)
That’s per store though, presumably when they sign up with a payment provider (because there’s a lot of rules about e.g. using credit cards to gamble with).
If I buy sex toys from Tesco, it’s still showing up as “groceries”. If I buy from a sex shop, it’s going to be more clear cut.
I can see from my emails that PayPal send out itemised receipts on behalf of their customers, so they’re definitely collecting more data than the big two.
If I buy from a sex shop, it’s going to be more clear cut.
Life pro tip: Open a sex shop that sells groceries, to devalue the data analysis ^^
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You mean DEDE? I love that place.
If PayPal is doing it, so fucking will they too.
Just the tip you say?
How about no way!
thsnks I’m out
This is the best summary I could come up with:
PayPal will use data from billions of customer transactions to supercharge its nascent ad business.
The new PayPal Ads group is headed by recent hire Mark Grether, a senior vice president and GM at PayPal, who says the budding advertising operation will “help make merchants smarter to sell more products and services effectively, as well as enable consumers to discover more of what they love.”
But, his reported statement doesn’t really dwell on the fact that it will be using customer data, including purchase history, to pull this off.
In addition to the main PayPal platform, it also operates cash transfer app Venmo and Honey, a browser extension designed to find deals online.
The report also mentions that Venmo will see fewer ads served in order to not drive off its younger users.
PayPal’s data on users’ purchases and other transactions, combined with AI, might prove to be great at advertising, though probably to the consternation and frustration of recipients.
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Is there an alternative to paypal?
Depends on what feature you use.
For my use case Revolut mostly replaced it.
I hope they enjoy analzying my once-a-month subscription to FFXIV and nothing else.
Prepare to get inundated with ads for anime girls and other weeb shit.
EDIT: To clarify, I mean “weeb” as a term of endearment rather than the pejorative.
I first thought this was a bad idea by Paypal but you opened my eyes
I’m surprised that they haven’t been doing this from the start tbh. Obviously they’ve been selling your data to whoever, which is really the same I guess.
How is that GDPR compliant?
It’ll probably launch in the US only to avoid GDPR concerns
By showing you an annoying popup every time you use PayPal, and eventually you’ll accidentally click OK and it will mysteriously remember this and never ask you again.
They’ll give you $2 or something like that if you give them consent. You would be surprised how well that works.
Still not possible under EU law (as meta for the no-ads paid subscription)
That’s very different, they want you to either pay or not have access. This would be you still having access, but being paid for giving them data voluntarily.
That’s perfectly legal and employed across many European business entities.
You can’t tie selling user data to some user payment at that level
So, advertising the things I have already bought? Not sure thats gonna be super successful…
Amazon has done that for the past 2 decades and it has somehow worked.
We noticed you bought a fridge yesterday. Are you interested in these fridges, too?
Perhaps more like what fridge companies do via incessant water filter replacement reminders: Enjoying your Super Deluxe CoolPlus™ Fridge? Don’t forget to check out the CoolPlus™ Fridge Magnetic Spice Rack and CoolPlus™ Fridge Juice Dispenser Add-on!
Also enjoy your device randomly breaking every few years.
At some point the bigwigs will realize that a working item is worth more in future potential ad dollars than a broken one with a limited 1 year warranty and start asking their engineers why quality is so bad.
/The screams of 1,000 poor souls per second for 50 years
They did that like 60 years ago. Then they stopped.
Gonna catch’em all!
pictures someone trying to catch fridges like in some kind of video game
Has it worked? Its never led to a repeat purchase for me. :/
Maybe they won’t suggest things you already bought, but will estimate what you’re going to buy next, based on the statistical analysis of people who bought the same things.
Yeah it’s more like, hey you just bought stabilizing jacks and a water hose for a travel trailer. You must have just bought a new camper. Let’s bombard you with add for stick-up-hooks, rv-mattress sized sheets, cheap plastic dishes, etc.
If only it was smart enough. Make its like oh you bought a newtv, you would like this new surround system
That would be actually valuable for consumers and advertisers. Shame its impossible.
The “people usually both this with this product” suggestions can be pretty good to cover this.
More like using your past purchases to predict what you will most likely be prone to buy next
Oh, it definitely helps creating a good profile of you.
with stuff like this, usually the objective is to advertise based on patterns across purchase histories
I’m sure thats the theory, and whats being sold to the ad buyers, but my money is on it ending up like the ads you get after buying something from amazon/ebay: same item you just bought.
you probably just notice that because it doesn’t make sense from your perspective.
it’s probably more cost efficient for advertisers to just throw relevant ads at potential groups. Determining whether an individual already has the item is a waste of resources, and you probably don’t notice when the ads are things you don’t own.
Last time I observed this I was getting the exact same item that I bought being advertised to me constantly, across multiple sites. No variation at all. It was a pair of hiking shoes. If it had then offered me hiking poles or rain coats or anything else that would have been useful, but instead it was the same pair of shoes I had already purchased.
If the ad network had actually suggested useful paired items that i dont already own, then those ads should actually stand out, as they are actually relevant to me.
If its not cost efficient to actually target to the individual (and I dont doubt that it isn’t), im not sure what Paypal is bringing to the table here that Amazon etc can’t already do.
I’m more surprised they hadn’t yet, to be honest.
Over here regular banks have been doing that for years 😥
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Corpo apps are like
“Do you love me? Rate 5 stars?”
No I don’t love you. How about zero stars for sexual harassment? Do I need to talk to HR?
Fucking within like 2 minutes of using their apps too, they ask, “do you like the app?” Then another popup that says, “provide feedback for why you don’t like our app?”
Because you keep getting in the way of me actually doing what I need to do. And it’s getting uninstalled as soon as I’m done with it.
It’s to the point where no one wants to do shit on their website anymore. They force you to download the app. So they can get even more access and control of your info. And like I need more motherfucking apps on my goddamn home screens. Fuck that shit.
That’s why the only safe software in the long term is Free Software.
Capitalism = legal entities that we don’t need doing things that we don’t want.
I would’ve loved to have a paypal alternative if so many damn services would adopt them.
And no I’m not talking Google Pay or Apple Pay. They’re just as bad.
There really isn’t going to be, besides giving them your card directly (or paying crypto🤢). PayPal is less about the software and more about the service, which isn’t something FOSS can really replace. An alternative would have to have a company behind it that works with major financial institutes and whatnot.
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How is Apple Pay just as bad? I haven’t heard anything that they do like this. There is no advertising in the Apple ecosystem. In fact, several places (like Walmart) don’t want to adopt the tap to pay because for some cards, it blocks tracking from them by using a pseudo randomized credit card number every time. It makes using the rewards for places a pain, but it works at maintaining harder tracking for whoever you’re paying.
