This bullshit was basically my first experience with Windows 11 when I got a new PC last year. Literally, “Why is my internet so slow? What’s this OneDrive thing? Oh, holy shit fucking stop Jesus Christ!”
Just automatically started uploading everything on my hard drive to an account I didn’t set up, without even a prompt telling me it was happening, and no obvious way to make it stop. I didn’t even know Windows had added a cloud storage option. I actually had to completely uninstall OneDrive to finally make it stop.
I might have liked having a native backup service in Windows if it was like, “Hey look at this handy cloud storage tool we’ve added to Windows! Would you like to pick some files to save?” But as it is, it might as well just be another piece of spyware.
There’s a big long list of reasons why I hate Windows 11, but this OneDrive shit is the thing that’s making me think maybe it’s time to ditch Windows for good.
The extra fun part is when it starts bitching at you for filling up the cloud storage allotment that you didn’t know you were using.
The extra extra fun part is to then offer you the opportunity to pay for bigger storage!
The cherry on top, you can’t say no. You can only tell them to “ask you later”.
At least they’re being honest with that. You know they’d keep asking you after choosing “no”.
I got a great idea.
While we’re sucking up every single file, let’s also do daily, non incremental backups
We’ll hit the free storage limit it no time and then we can start sending DIRE messages about how the users data won’t be PROPERLY backed up anymore.
Then we can upsell them in an outrageously priced storage plan that won’t even last a year of these daily backups so we can start the process over again.
Thankfully I noticed what was going on before it got to that point, but when they start vacuuming up all your files and data like that without telling you and without giving you control over it, you kind of have to assume that whatever is going on is not being done for your benefit.
Or when it actually deleted the local files once it uploaded them to one drive. Fun times.
OMG this happened to a colleague of mine and they deleted the files from OneDrive without realizing they weren’t on their hard drive anymore 🤦
Or the fact that once it’s off of your hard drive and sitting comfortably on their cloud (their hard drive), they can scan it and harvest it for data.
It’d be hilarious if they did that but your paid for space was too low so they had to cut you off but they had already taken the liberty to delete the files before they synched
Mean while on windows 10, they are forcing updates with a creepy splash screen when you boot up. Can’t exit, can’t stop it, basically held hostage. This was on my old surface pro 4. Then the update screwsed everything up and I had to do a system restore…shits bad 👎
I’ve installed Linux on my dad’s surface 2. He’s more than happy, I bassicaly could’nt do anything with it because how slow Windows had became.
Been running Windows 10 on my gaming desktop for a while now and refusing to “upgrade” to 11 because of how much worse it was. Going to be doing a hardware refresh in a couple months and when I do I’m installing Linux. Thanks to Valve and a few major open source projects Linux gaming has finally reached a point where I can tell MS to fuck off with their enshitification.
My computer doesn’t support Win11, so I have that going for me. Transitioning to the Steam Deck for my gaming, which has been a slow but mostly positive process. Some of the games don’t play well outside of Windows, but none of the ones I really want to play, and I can always switch to my computer if I do.
I don’t think I’ll ever own a Win11 computer.
Oh god, you reminded me. I had a run in with this recently because my parents got new laptops. 1TB hard drive, should be plenty right? NO! My mom had 15GB of files in her home folders and One Drive was whining constantly to pay them for more space.
It was about an hour of debugging to keep the files safe, extract One Drive from the home folder locations because it had dug in like a virus, and then (after 20 online searches and scouring forums) click the specific toggle in the specific menu to disable One Drive so it would use local files.
I paid for a 1TB computer, why are you forcing me to use your shitty online-only limited-space shit show. Fucks sake.
What’s the big deal? Microsoft security is top notch. They totally didn’t get p0vvN3d by russia basically twenty minutes ago and have their source code stolen.
It’s why the US gummit is so happy to use micro$quash services.
And y’know even then, who cares if all your data is stolen by state-sponsored cyber crime groups, y’know? M$ has spared no expense to ensure all that data is secured end-to-end with unbreakable encryption even microsoft can’t read! (snkk) Even if they wanted to!
It’s not like they’ve tricked everyone into being data cattle for their giant cloud-ranching operation, to shovel everything into AI and sell the results to anyone at the highest price possible. I mean. We’d have heard something about that if it was the case.
To be fair, the DOD uses a different version of Windows than you, me, or any average company, with a custom set of agreements with Microsoft, a bunch of debloating of Windows-specific apps and the addition of a bunch of military/government apps.
I don’t know that to be true, but if so why has the history of Windows been a continual string of vulnerabilities, hacks, and weak security such as their own cloud service being compromised and their codebase stolen?
That is, if there’s a DoD “version” that’s more secure, couldn’t they make more money selling that? I dunno, they’re dead to me but they’ve never been short of people who want to use them for whatever reason.
Because DoD isn’t concerned with the regular internet or unclassified machines as much as with the classified computers - those set up by Information Technician ratings and the Security Managers to handle SIPR and JWICS access. The Admirals, Generals, and O-6s are also often tech illiterate old men, and those just beneath that, and the E-7+ crowd, are often just as tech illiterate. Microsoft also has a lot of multi decade DoD contracts, which they get billions for. Microsoft can’t sell the secure version because that just lets foreign adversaries reverse engineer all the possible vulnerabilities. Microsoft only cares about security as far as they get paid for it and can get away with. In the consumer market, that’s pretty much zero concern - not profitable enough.
Just automatically started uploading everything on my hard drive to an account I didn’t set up
Wait, what?
I mean specifically a cloud storage account. Setting up the computer required me to supply an email address and set a password for microsoft.com. There was nothing in that process that I recall mentioning OneDrive, or that would have suggested every file on my C drive was about to be indiscriminately uploaded to a Microsoft server somewhere. I didn’t even know OneDrive was a thing until I had to google how to stop it.
I was having a conversation in another thread a few days ago about the legality of completely fictional AI child porn and how that may be a safer outlet for those individuals as it involves no harm.
It’s legal in many countries, but also not legal in many countries.
In the USA, federal law says as long as its not obscene or has serious value its allowed, but really, good luck with those clauses. Then it says, it’s also legal unless it’s been transmitted by a common carrier, e.g mail, internet.
So, someone might be legally making their own CP so they don’t need to cause any abuse, and then Windows without their permission, uploads it to OneDrive.
You know the person making fictional CP would be the one thrown in jail for transmitting it over a common carrier, but maybe we should throw Microsoft in jail for doing that without permission and fucking us all over, over and over and over again with all this bullshit
They’re literally stealing your files. They’re probably training their AI on anything uploaded to OneDrive. It’s not like they even prompted you or gave you the ToS.
“fictional AI CP” isn’t a thing. AI is trained on existing data. It does not create new stuff. If you want AI to generate CP then you have to train it on CP.
The same way the pictures of ninja dinosaurs can only be trained on actual photos of ninja dinosaurs, right?
Can we throw a slice of pizza in there?
AI can create faces and bodies that have never existed. From there it might just take a lot of prompt engineering, but to say you have to train it on CP is false.
Edit: Also that’s only considering life like CP. There’s the whole cartoon/manga side of things which IS purely fictional at all times but will get you sent to prison if transmitted over an open carrier.
Can create faces that have never existed, but can you guarantee that the child in a CP that it has created does not look identical to a child that already exists? after all it can very well produce something using children directly from or very similar to its training set.
yea well there is no way to guarantee that AI wont spew out CP where the child there looks exactly like a child that it has seen in its training set, i.e a child that really exists. so no go
…wut
I once turned that feature on thinking it was an actual backup (copies of my files in the cloud), I remember how angry I was when I found out it wasn’t a backup after all and just removed your files from your computer and only made them accessible online.
You can see their strategy at work here.
It is possible to keep individual files on the local hard drive with different settings (that in my experience never seem to stick past updates).
The default, though, is to take everything on your computer off of your computer, put it into the cloud (their computer), and recommend you pick and choose which ones stay on your computer. In essence, they want you to think of your computer as secondary to their computer. An extension of it.
There is no “your computer”, it’s just the computer you happen to be logged into at the moment.
The cloud is not something you take advantage of, the cloud is where you live now.
You’re supposed to uncheck the save storage space and download files as you use them option.
This. Files uploaded locally should automatically be synced though.
They made it the default option for businesses that routinely buy computers with less local storage than their users need. Pretty much every company I have worked for.
They then pushed it out hard into the consumer market when SSD came out and the average storage space on lower end models dropped by 75%.
I see why they did it, how they did it was in usual Microsoft fashion, idiotic.
It’s sort of their pattern.
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Introduce new changes.
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Screw it up royalty.
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Fix the features that are salvageable and revert most of the remaining except: Double down on the shitty ones that they think will make them more money.
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Rinse and Repeat
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You’re supposed to remove windows
Ah yes, the classic Microsoft “what you really want is hidden behind a checkbox, otherwise you’ll get shit”.
They may have actually been inspired by Apple lmao (or maybe the other way around)
Wtf!
Good thing I use to debloat windows 10 on a local account and got rid of onedrive before it could wreck havok so.
But got to be honest, Far as long as I can remember, I always had backup of important data. Encryption - client side if off to the cloud.
Shit I’m so old that I prefer my music on HDD instead of using streaming services.
Using Linux nowadays too BTW.
I just turned it off as it kept bitching about the storage being full.
I don’t need you bish, fuck off.
Oohh, that’s a good way to potentially break this. Just download a ton of useless stuff and upload it onto OneDrive. People could make this service really expensive for Microsoft.
Anyone know where I can find a copy of Shrek in 8k resolution.
I have a gif?
better yet upload gigabytes of senseless text and photos and let Microsoft train their AI on that
Double whammy is a good idea.
I want to take a picture of a brick and duplicate it over and over, then zip those up and duplicate that zip into OneDtive until it tells me I can’t any more.
So you want to throw a brick through OneDrive’s Windows?
So how many Windows refugees will end up fleeing to the Kingdom of Torvalds?
I’m extremely close at this point.
Do it!
Give it a go, it was surprisingly not as big an issue as I thought it would be, even for gaming (though not perfect for gaming, I’ve been able to get things working without too much headache at least)
Microsoft is getting desperate to steal your IP so they can train their AI.
Can someone sue the living shit out of them and start setting precedents please and thanks.
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IANAL and could be wrong, but it is not the case that the T’s&C’s we all have to agree to aren’t necessarily legally binding, because people can’t be expected to read and understand them all.
With that in mind, it doesn’t matter what the user agrees to if they have no practical alternative available to them.
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I’m in the UK, where the law may be less mental over things like this.
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They are not, but they do sell products over here, so are subject to British law.
Wrong.
Microsoft can only operate as a franchise overseas. You know this thing called trade law in other countries. Contrary to popular American belief, they are not the center of the world
In civilized countries there is an understanding that noone is reading dozens of pages of terms of agreement, so any clause in there that is unexpected is automatically void. Expecting a software agreement to include rules not to distribute it further, break copy protection mechanisms etc. is normal so those terms are valid. But having all your data stolen is not something to be expected, hence invalid.
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Whoever is downvoting this needs to have an encounter with the U.S. legal system, so they find out how little their precious freaking “rights” are worth.
Read the comment and reply to it, you missed the entire point of their comment.
in civilised countries
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Which is why the comment you where replying to specified
in civilised countries
The implication beeping that the US is not. Because in a lot of other countries surprise clauses in your T&C’s is illegal
I feel bad for that Noone fella. Those are not fun to read.
Microsoft just seems to be trying various methods of shooting itself in the foot.
I guess maybe they really didn’t learn from the 80s/90s….
They’re gambling that it won’t be enough to drive the majority of users to other operating systems.
It’s not much of a gamble. Most of their users won’t notice or care.
I have to use Outlook for work. It is so annoying to have to avoid the one drive attachment option everytime I attach a file to an email. Nobody wants to be forced to deal with that crap.
I legit don’t understand why this exists. Why would anyone want a bunch of shit in their OneDrive to have a permanent link?
Microsoft just loves money at the expense of quality products.
Microsoft Data Theft as a Service
For starters, bulk copying a person’s documents without their approval sounds like mass copyright violation.
If it’s a machine used for business: corporate espionage.
Oh, that’s okay though, you signed them the rights to do that by having an account with them
… I’m sure is how they’ll spin it
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Win10 ending, copilot and this shit. Finally pushed me over. Going to order a new ssd and install mint on my main rig.
I’m seeing that a hell of a lot this year… Linux might actually finally make some real headwind with the tech crowd
I kept my Windows drive in my pc when I switched to linux, I wanted to be able to mount it to grab stuff I missed or boot into it incase I needed it.
I haven’t even mounted it for close to a year.
When I rebuilt mine a few months back, I got two drives so I could put windows on one of them, and mounted my old drives for the same reason… I’ve barely touched the old data and the second SSD has not even been formatted yet, and when I do it’ll probably be to give my current system more space
I installed Fedora as a dual boot 2 months ago, and I haven’t once booted up Windows in that time. Everything just worked. Now that I feel a bit more confident I’m going to wipe the entire drive and try Fedora Atomic.
😬yuck
bullshit like this is getting worse and worse and is why i moved away from windows.
Same. They’ve always done this shit, but installing windows - and then uninstalling or disabling all the cooked-in bloat and spyware - has become so ridiculously tiresome that I just said fuck it and went Linux full-time.
Every update or service pack, it starts all over. There’s no such thing as a clean windows install.
Nobara was up and running in like ten minutes with no fuckery at all, and it’s no nice not having to fight my OS on everything.
You game and if yes, ATI or Nvidia?
Edit: yes I’m old and meant AMD.
I’d be really impressed if anyone still gamed on ATI.
I’m not that guy but yes and Nvidia
Yep! I’m on Nvidia, the new drivers are really solid. I’ve read AMD cards run fine as well, but don’t use one
I can testify for AMD. It just works on the 7900xtx.
Early last year it had issues buy they pushed a driver update and its perfect now.
the constant cat and mouse game to disable the crap is something i dont miss after switching.
What are you running? I tried Ubuntu as my daily driver and honestly found it’s user experience pretty shitty. Lots of little buggy issues with the interface and running a few games on steam that support Linux wasn’t great
i’m running ubuntu. its flawless for me. its less work to set it up how i like it than to remove all the crapware on windows.
if you are running nvidia it might explain the little issues.
What do you mean by this?
nvidia drivers are much less than ideal on linux, it causes all sorts of small issues on the desktop. depends on your setup though, some people run it fine.
Hmm. I think I’m going mad - I read your comment completely differently last time. Seemed completely unreliable. Probably just me lol.
i often edit my commeents for clarity, might have been it
Ah, gotcha, maybe that’s what I’m seeing then :)
Yeah I run a 4070. What’s the go with nvidia
nvidia doesnt follow the standards with their linux driver, its just the windows driver adapted to run on linux. its not bad for gaming ime, but causes all sorts of little issues on the desktop especially if you are running wayland instead of xorg.
its changing though, they opened the source code for it and are currently rewriting the driver with the community. long way to go still though.
Never knew, thanks for the info. Probably explains what I experienced. Nothing super major but just enough to annoy me over time
Recently I’ve found Fedora based distros better than debian (like Ubuntu) based ones, especially on “newer” hardware (https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Hezio/saved/#view=TwZfpg)
For gaming Bazzite literally installs everything you need for you except Proton GE, although Steam’s regular Proton isn’t bad either for most games.
It’s really a matter of would you rather:
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Deal with MS relentlessly jamming their garbage down your throat
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Become a sysadmin
I became a sysadmin, I like being able to learn to get around problems. But an outsider just sees someone spending all morning fiddling with winetricks when it ‘just works’ on windows.
The thing is it’s the same base linux as decade(s?) ago, windows is changing how stuff is done all the time.
So a one time effort or a marathon IMO.
Really depends on your use case. Like @trougnouf@lemmy.world said, casual users that use the OS as a browser and email client can use practically any distro. Users that do a bit more, like casual gaming on gold-rated Steam games, generally do fine with something like Pop!_OS or Linux Mint.
It’s when you start going towards the more hardcore users, like really hardcore gamers that play obscure titles or have unsupported Windows-specific hardware, artists that need very specific unsupported programs for editing or recording, engineers who need to do CAD specifically in a Windows-specific proprietary software, or a tinkerer that’s used to the Windows environment, that “become a sysadmin” starts being a reasonable complaint.
I don’t think my grandma was a sysadmin.
not that big of a deal if you choose a distro with good defaults ootb. choosing the right distro is the biggest step imo if you don’t want to debug your computer.
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Fedora and bluefin have been working quite well for me.
Its been their practice since the early 90s. Bundling and defaulting all their shitty apps, then making sure everything else has compatibility issues by design.
The worst thing to happen to Microsoft was the IETF. It shattered their walled garden and forced them to integrate with a host of other internationally developed and encoded systems through a uniform protocol. They’ve spent the last 30 years trying to claw their position of OS dominance back.
Microsoft is doing an amazing job
keeping me offselling windows 11!Keep up the great work!
Guess it’s time for Linux and for me to give up gaming :/
I switched to Linux last week and I haven’t had any issues with my Steam games. Just had to turn on the setting to have Steam provide Linux support for games that don’t provide it themselves.
I game on Linux. Go check protondb for compatibility with your favourite game
give up gaming
What? Most games run better on Linux
Yeah but I’m a weirdo that actually likes early access games and random indie stuff that rarely works with Linux so a large part of what I like won’t work.
Also star citizen… lol
Bottles is your friend on obscure indie pre releases
That’s more of a you problem.
With Proton, a large majority of games run on Linux, and most even better than on windows.
Is proton the distro or program?
Proton is steam’s version of wine which is used automatically when you install any game that doesnt have a specific linux version.
P R O T O N
I’m gonna start sounding like a shill, but check out Nobara. Painless install, steam games just work out of the box.
Wtf is Microsoft doing?
Phase one: force everyone’s data into their OneDrive account. OneDrive now at capacity, you must upgrade to ensure all your data is backed up and retained.
Phase two: MS secretly (or not so secretly) use all this data to train copilot.
Human generated content to feed into ai systems is the new good rush
Not secretly, Dropbox is currently doing that
force everyone’s data into their OneDrive account. OneDrive now at capacity, you must upgrade to ensure all your data is backed up and retained.
If it’s made without any agreement from the user (hundred pages long EULA doesn’t count), time to GRPD the fuck out of them.
I’m pretty sure the END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT counts.
Not in the EU it doesn’t, unless they got the user to review that Agreement and agree before the sale took place.
After the implicit contract which is the sale has been agreed to by both parties (the buyer gave the money, the seller took it), one of the parties can’t force the other party to agree to a new contract before they’re allowed to get the contractual benefits of the original contract (i.e. the buyer getting to use the product they bought, the seller getting to use the money they got).
It doesn’t matter if the seller has such power de facto - legally they most definitelly can’t blackmail the buyer by denying them their side of the contractual rights they got in the Act of Sale by blocking their use of the product they bought until they agree to a new Agreement from the seller.
To be fair, they’re usually actually good at legally fucking everyone into the ground. The rest of the company they don’t really care that much as long as the money printer goes brrrrr
Rent seeking, theft/copyright infringement, walled garden you can’t escape (if Microsoft holds all your files good luck getting them back on Linux)
Microsoft needs to die.
Oh yeah the OneDrive over capacity thing happened to me with my Xbox Series X I was like “ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUS I DONT WANT MY CAPTURES IN ONEDRIVE” but ya know Microsoft makes it hard for us
