• haywire
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    Great. So managing printers, network settings and quickly comparing settings from two places becomes a weird game of screenshots and guessing.

    Remote support workers of the world collectively shake their fist in despair.

    No way on this planet I will be able to explain the new UI to your average office worker.

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      It’s as if they intentionally were making their products unusable for ADHD and especially AuDHD people.

      I wonder sometimes, maybe they are. Maybe there’s some policy coming from some macchiavellian cokehead in a suit, that people like us spoil their big, important social mechanisms and introduce a measure of chaos they don’t want, so we have to be suppressed.

      I just don’t understand why Windows is such an ADHD torture today. Even XP wasn’t.

      It really seems sometimes as if they were going out of their way to make it such, not only MS, but also Google, Apple and who not.

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        Its not good. Control panel is consistent and precise. Settings is not consistent lacks many settings and many are dumbed down

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      Definitely an issue. I can’t count the times I’ve slammed my head because the stupid settings screen “conveniently” switches from the previous item to another while I still expected it to open a new window just like the command panel.

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    honestly I still cant figure out how to configure a network interface properly without using the old control panel.

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      You literally can’t.

      There’s a ton of stuff you can’t do with the new garbage settings.

      Let’s not even mention that on an operating system called “Windows” you can only have one “window” of settings open. And opening new settings will just replace where you just where. Which is extremely rage inducing.

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        opening new settings will just replace where you just where

        I don’t use windows super often anymore, so I don’t really have that usecase, but man. Just imagining it makes me annoyed and angry

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            yup. The couple of times I had to use one, the bad UX absolutely annoyed the hell out of me

          • Faceman🇦🇺
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            I’m pretty positive on mac OS, as an OS it’s technically quite good, but their preferences app has always been atrocious almost entirely for this reason, I want to have two preferences windows open to different pages please…

            • @Doomsider@lemmy.world
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              I hear you. I have always been a power user so I was pretty shocked when you could not open two file managers at once in OSX.

              The thing about Apple devices is they work great, as long as you do it they way they want.

              • Faceman🇦🇺
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                You can have multiple finder windows in OSX, thats perfectly normal, but you cant have the network settings open next to the printer settings.

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                  Well that was not the case with the last time I used OSX. You click on finder and it would not open a second window. This is not how Windows or Gnome/Kwin work.

    • @superkret@feddit.org
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      As admin and tech support, I use the control panel constantly. I use the settings app… for display configuration, I guess?

      • @Scrollone@feddit.it
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        And if you can do it, it’s complicated and convoluted. I miss Win32 settings panels, everything was so well organized and simple to manage.

    • @purplemonkeymad@programming.dev
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      You can now reach the network connections folder, using an option on the network status page. It’s something like advanced network options. Still all the classic stuff, but avoids “control panel.” I’m going to guess links like that are not going to be removed.

      If they just outright remove all of that, you really will need to learn how to do everything in powershell.

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        Mostly 11 now. I honestly prefer it to 10 now, but that’s with quite about of decrapification done to remove all of Microsoft’s bullshit.

        At home I’m mostly using Ubuntu, but it’s basically covering firefox as all of my self-hosted stuff runs in thevbrowser and I don’t game much.

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          Hmm, then I’m a bit confused, since my experience with Windows 11 settings app has been good enough to not need to go into the control panel for setting up basic networking, unlike with Windows 10’s setting app.

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            Thus why im moving to 11. Lots of the PCs I work with are still 10 though.

  • @HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world
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    In favor of what? I still have to use control panel because some things are seemingly unreachable by the “settings” menus.

    • @mkwt@lemmy.world
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      Yeah. This sounds a lot like some PM type thinks they’re gonna get rid of control panel, and they just don’t know what all is actually in there.

      And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.

      • @Scrollone@feddit.it
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        I wonder if there would be a way to “embed” those old panel applets into the new settings somehow.

        • @jbk@discuss.tchncs.de
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          I bet they at most remove control.exe or make it open the Settings app, but still allow launching old vendor .cpl items just like they already can be opened in Control Panel.

          • @gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world
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            This is already implemented on a lot of the settings pages on 11.

            Edit: just wanted to add I don’t think well. I use it at work.

            • @jbk@discuss.tchncs.de
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              Windows is king at being inconsistent 🔥

              If only they had trained advanced users to use the CLI that would never change unlike the GUI

      • @cheddar@programming.dev
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        I don’t think that the PM is wrong. They absolutely can get rid of the control panel. It’s the user who will suffer ✌

      • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏
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        And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.

        AMD FirePro and Catalyst users are going to probably stay on an older version of the OS, considering most of those users are going to be educational institutions, engineering workshops, makerspaces/hackerspaces etc.

        Can’t think of any other vendor products that integrated quite as much into the legacy control panel area

        • @mkwt@lemmy.world
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          I’m thinking of highly niche industrial and embedded products who are likely to be left behind.

          A major traditional selling point for Windows has always been the backwards compatibility.

    • Lee Duna
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      That’s M$ intention, to hide some settings from users and lose control of Windows.

      • @HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world
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        Right, I forgot, MS doesn’t want you to have control what programs are doing or how your computer works. Corporate way or…linux.

        I may be technologically challenged but Microsoft has been steadily selling me on linux ever since windows 10.

          • @HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world
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            See, that may be the case. Or it might not be. It’s a risk vz reward right now. I am not good with computers and have had my PC, laptop, phone and smart watch, inexplicably break, get stuck on boot and had to have them repaired. I just know my mistakes are easier to screw up my computer and data on linux. So the worse MS gets, the more I am willing to risk it.

      • @HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world
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        Yes. I have win 10 and 11 devices. They both lack certain options and I’ve had to go around them, like using control panel. In this case only the win 11 device is at risk of getting much worse.

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    I have friends who work in IT and would probably slam their head against the wall if they had to deal with Control Panel being removed.

    Are Microsoft deliberately trying to make the fabled Year of the Linux Desktop finally become a reality? Because I feel like we’re two or three more dumbfuck business moves away from this…

    • @SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
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      Can confirm, want to change your domain or computer name? Windows 7/10: control panel , system , computer name tab. Windows 10 /11: control panel, system, windows settings, advanced system settings, old system control panel, computer name tab.

      Why add a middle man??

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        That many steps? WindowsKey+Break > Change computer name.

        If you’re okay with three steps, on Windows 10 and newer, you can right click the start menu and generally open system. Just about any version supports right clicking “My Computer” or “This PC” and selecting properties, as well.

        • @bluewing@lemm.ee
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          But that would require effort to learn to do something different. And a lot of users are firmly against that notion.

            • @bluewing@lemm.ee
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              And there is no reason not to either. You would still be looking at the cli in Unix with that attitude.

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                I don’t know about that one, It would be really hard to teleconference though the terminal.

                Especially considering we still have (more or less) the same CLI for decades at this point.

                Bourne was from 1977-1979, bash which was heavily inspired/designed to replace was from 1989. It is still the default shell in ubuntu.

      • @ParkedInReverse@lemmy.world
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        Open Start or hit Win+R- type sysdm.cpl. Done. They kill off the easy to click icon in Control Panel, but they leave the stuff in still. I doubt they’ll remove them. Or at least hope not, lol. Settings is such a cluster to go through.

    • @tacosplease@lemmy.world
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      I have a PC at home that works perfectly fine. Browses the internet, emulates GameCube and Dreamcast, runs any app I need.

      It’s not eligible for Windows 11. In about a month MS will just stop supporting my PC, and it will not have the option to be a Windows PC despite still having plenty of service time to offer.

      Microsoft is basically forcing that PC to run Linux instead.

      • @AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works
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        Windows 10 is being supported until next October, you’ve got more than a month. That said, I’ve been on Linux for just over a month and I’m so much happier with it. I really like KDE Plasma as a desktop environment. I made the leap because I was unhappy with Windows, but at this point I genuinely prefer Linux.

        • @tacosplease@lemmy.world
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          Ah. Thank you!! I was planning to disconnect the computer from wifi next month until I got around to setting up Linux. Nice to know there is more time.

          I used Mint like 15 years ago trying to set up retropie on a cheap netbook. It felt really smooth, but I couldn’t get something to work and just never had time to research a resolution.

          I’m sure it’s more user friendly now or at least the tools are more successful on first install. Going to find out sooner or later. I really just use that old PC to store pictures and play retro games, so it shouldn’t be hard to convert with a little time for research.

        • @AstralPath@lemmy.ca
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          KDE really is nice. It can be a little bit buggy when messing with themes and panels and stuff but overall its nice. I’ve got it looking like waybar and I’m really enjoying it.

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          Which distro are you on? Plasma has reached it’s 6.0 version I think now. I used it back in the day and KDE apps are really more powerful than their GNOME counterparts.

          • @AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works
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            Bazzite, it’s based on immutable Fedora. But it made sense for my use case because it’s one of the more consistent at working out of the box with Nvidia graphics cards and I wanted the gaming stuff, but Plasma should be more or less the same everywhere. I’m not sure which version of Plasma it’s running but Bazzite is generally pretty up to date with everything but I can’t check right now.

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            Don’t sweat “what distro” so much. All the major distros offer the same desk tops. So pick a distro you like and just download the KDE Plasma spin of it and enjoy.

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      slam their head against the wall

      I already do that enough as it is with Windows 11…

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      I’ve been using linux for about a decade. I only know how to maintain my system and google when troubles arise. I’m pretty comfortable with my setup and would love to see many make that jump as well. However, I have to concede that corporate environments add a whole another dimension to the problem.

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    If they actually move all the settings over to the “new” settings app (it’s actually 12 years old now): good.

    It’s an absolute joke that there are multiple settings apps in windows, with design inconsistency across them, and it being a crapshoot whether the screen you look at will support dark mode or not (can you tell I’m tired of being blinded on evenings by unexpected white windows? Lol).

    If they don’t move all the settings over: bad.

    Yeah they’re usually niche, but some of those options are needed!

    Since this is Microsoft we’re talking about, it’s probably going to be the latter, unfortunately. “Oh you want to adjust some network settings? That’s not in our settings app, and we’ve retired the control panel – you actually need to open Run and type ncpa.cpl

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      It truly made no sense to me when they started the process of migrating stuff from control panel to the “new” Metro-style Settings, then just kind of… gave up and left everything as a spread-out mess. I can’t believe they’ve left it this long to address, it’s an awful user experience.

    • @boonhet@lemm.ee
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      The entire point of the “new” Settings app is to be dumbed down. To include all the settings from the control panel would go against the entire point of the Settings app.

      • @TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee
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        If we’re talking about the latest version of Windows 11, I would say it’s dumbed down, but everything I personally need is still there.

      • @sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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        Why would they? They still have dialogues from Windows 95, if not before. Microsoft pretty much never removes anything, they just hide it and add new stuff on top because they’re terrified of breaking backward compatibility.

        • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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          That ODBC window has been there since about Win 3.1 I think. Watching those completely unresizeable forms pop up in the middle of my 1440p monitor is always amusing.

          I can just see some guy coding that, thinking “why would it need to be bigger? It’s practically the full screen!”

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            I’m not sure if regedit has changed much either, certainly seems like it’s the same since using it in xp? Odbc windows are 100% 3.1 though.

            Feel like task scheduler, event viewer and partitioning tools have been relatively static as well, but they’re not as old as the odbc window. Tbh I’m not surprised that administrative/dev tools haven’t had a ui change.

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            Sure, but they’ll still be available because Windows Server customers use them, and it’s easier to just leave it in for both than to remove it for the retail release. So they’ll probably hide it more, but I’m guessing it’ll still be accessible for power users.

  • @Eiri@lemmy.world
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    My god, the amount of legacy crap in Windows.

    They ought to just start over at some point.

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      On the flip side, this is what makes Windows generally very good at backwards compatibility. They do update the codebase for stuff, but still generally very backwards compatible with software and games designed to run on previous versions of Windows.

      Fun Fact: Backwards compatibility is the reason you can’t name a file or folder CON.

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        Yeah, that makes sense. If it’s starting to bite them in the butt, though, maybe they should start relegating that stuff to emulation, if they can write a good enough emulator.

        I don’t know when. Maybe it’s already gone by, maybe it’s in the future. But there’s probably a point in time when all of that backward compatibility stops being worth it.

      • @Eiri@lemmy.world
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        While I haven’t diven into their codebase, that kind of thing tends to severely limit what developers can do to improve the product, slow them down, etc.

        Be it new features, deeper UX improvements, performance optimizations… Basically anything you want to do with your progress, generally speaking, it’s going to get harder the more legacy stuff you need to deal with.

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          Wine (wine is not (an) emulator) is a reimplementation of the windows api set. It’s literally starting windows again from scratch.

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            Oh I see. Well if it has exactly the same API, if that API also has weird legacy stuff built in that hinder developers, then maybe not, but overall that does sound very similar, yes!

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    This is never going to happen fully, because there is a ton of software and also device drivers that hook into the OG Control Panel system and install their own .cpl’s there, which are required for that hardware/software to work. The system to support those is going to have to remain in place, otherwise Microsoft is going to have a lot of very angry corporate customers and hardware vendors up their noses in short order.

    In fact, this is most likely the exact reason the Control Panel still exists behind the scenes the way it does today in Win10 and Win11. They’ll probably go to ever-greater lengths to hide it from home users, but I’d doubt they can actually remove it completely at this point.

    In fact, from TFA:

    Tip: while the Control Panel still exists for compatibility reasons and to provide access to some settings that have not yet migrated, you’re encouraged to use the Settings app, whenever possible.

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        Maybe, but they can’t change the look of all those third party .cpl applets.

        And sure, anyone could theoretically do anything. But this is Microsoft we’re talking about. They’ll just put another layer of cruft on top of the five or six layers of cruft they’ve already got and then call it job done.

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          That‘s like my bank saying „Hey, use our new website, the old one will be phased out in 6 werks“.

          Me: „Ok, show me my bank statements“.

          Bank: „That‘s only possible on the old site“.

          Not a joke, sadly.

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            I’ve had a similar experience with my bank. There is no legacy site to fall back to anymore, sadly. I am still figuring out how to do things on the new site. Years after it was launched.

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    It’d be fine if 1) everything from Control Panel is implemented and properly working and 2) everything stays consistent (because otherwise, as other folks have mentioned, at one point written tutorials even with screenshots quickly become obsolete). I don’t see this happening any time soon.

    Maybe instead of that they can start encouraging people to use the command line, although even fewer settings are reachable though there.

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      Maybe instead of that they can start encouraging people to use the command line

      LOL, there’s no more common phobia among Windows users than the CLI. EVERY Linux discussion “BUT ZOMG CLI COMMANDS!” (when realistically a novice user can avoid them most of the time, and they absolutely are more efficient for helping someone via lemmy post or similar than figuring out what version of what DE they have and trying to tell them the 12 clicks they need to do for the same task)

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        No joke. Opening a command line from windows by itself is considered hacking by many. Even toggling dark mode in websites triggers that fear.

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        between the powershell push, wsl, and sudo for windows they are pushing command line usage for advanced users though

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          I can’t argue with that, but I still take exception to the idea that only advanced users should be willing/able/unafraid to use the CLI. (not that I’m suggesting that you personally are pushing that viewpoint)

          When you click a button, you have to read and interpret the label on that button, then hope the person who programmed it actually did program it to do what it is labeled to suggest, and sometimes even well meaning devs make this ambiguous. Plus, you have to FIND the button, which is kinda the subject of many of the discussions here in this very thread.

          You go learn what ls does one time, and now you know how to list the contents of a directory. Spend two minutes each learning ps aux and grep, and now you know how to find process info for firefox (or whatever), plus you don’t need to know more than the very most basic things about grep to use it to search a text or conf file for a particular string. Or learn the ffmpeg command that you use most often for recursively processing a directory full of video files, and now you don’t spend 20 minutes mucking around with handbrake or whatever when prepping files to toss onto your Kodi box (I’m just pulling that one out of my butt). Hell, yt-dlp for downloading videos from just about anywhere is better than any gui tool I ever used.

          I think it’s totally valid for people to prefer a gui, but I find it a little foolish that so many people just seem to intentionally shut off their brain when presented with a CLI - it’s different than clicking buttons, and it’s not always superior, but it should absolutely not be the bogeyman that many treat it as. You can probably learn less than ten commands to just a minimal level of proficiency and get a LOT done.

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      Their settings pages are the worst; full of white space, finding what they considered “advanced” settings is usually a pain in the ass, and everything is dumbed down to a mind-numbing extent.

      I’ve hated Settings pages with a passion since they were introduced, and always typed the full .msc I was looking for.

      • @1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi@lemmy.zip
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        I really hate that you can only open one settings page at a time. There is no justification to making you lose your place you’re working on just because you want to adjust another minor setting. With the old interface I can e.g. have network and sound settings open at the same time and I don’t know why they took that away.

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        the loss of info density in favor of making everything fingerable has been one of the worst things to happen to anyone slightly inclined at managing systems. i hate trying to manage things in a touch based UI. so much fucking scrolling and wasted space. it does look nice , but fuck is it a productivity killer.

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        I also dislike the design layout. Eg. I much prefer the control panel version of Disk Management than the settings purely from an aesthetics stand point. Each disk and their partitions are just easier to see and differentiate from others.

    • @Katana314@lemmy.world
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      I guarantee you they’ve only ported over about half of the Control Panel’s features. The common stuff, sure. The rest…

    • @kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de
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      Talking about consistency, technically Windows still has UI elements from 3.1 era at Atleast couple of obscure places.

    • katy ✨
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      the control panel they’re taking away is largely just antiquated and not used anymore in favour of settings app anyway

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        There are still things that don’t work in the new UI. A common example for me is changing the output of speakers on my htpc. Sometimes after an update it reverts to 2.0. Need to launch the old sound control panel to set it back to 7.1.

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        Users complain about changes being made and then they complain that change doesn’t happen enough.

  • @biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works
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    Any bet the control panel is the only thing holding my dad back from switching to Linux for home use, because he absolutely hates the windows 10 and 11 settings apps.

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    RIP. It’s been coming for a while, and Control Panel will likely be on hospice for a few more years, but it will be a sad day when control panel is gone.

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      Gone in favor of a less useful interface. Fantastic!

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        247 months ago

        No. Don’t worry, they moved the controls to the edge browser! Isn’t that great 😃? 👍👍👍.

        This will bring so many people to Linux and will force so many others to start their own OSes.

        • @PineRune@lemmy.world
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          67 months ago

          Unfortunately, most Windows users are not tech savy and will never move to Linux, regardless of how user-friendly Linux becomes. It would take large-scale retailers switching their computers to have Linux pre-installed instead of Windows before any meaningful transition happens.

          • @JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
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            57 months ago

            Not tech savy person here who’s interested in switching to Linux but afraid of fucking it up and the one guy I knew in real life who used Linux and would’ve helped me out died during covid so I’m on my own.

            My old computer won’t support windows 11 and I’m not in a position to upgrade my hardware. I’ve been poking around trying learn about linux but I’m more of a hands on learner so basically I’m going to have to learn as I go which is quite scary for someone who’s never even seen a computer running it.

            • @PineRune@lemmy.world
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              27 months ago

              If you aren’t ready to fully commit to installing it on a hard drive, you could probably make a live USB stick of Linux. There are installers built to run on windows that will install Linux onto a USB drive, which you can boot from after turning off your PC. That way, you don’t need to worry about wiping or resetting an old computer just to see if you like it.

              • @JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
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                17 months ago

                Thank you for the info! Thats a great way to get an introduction to linux so can I poke around and get used to it. Appreciate the advice!

            • @AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works
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              37 months ago

              Got an extra USB stick and an old laptop kicking around you’re okay with wiping? Ideally 4GB RAM but 2GB would be okay. Start with Linux Mint and follow their installation guide - verifying the ISO image in Windows is probably the toughest part.

              Or make absolutely certain you’re on the official Mint website, torrent it and don’t bother checking, I’m not your mother. “Who the f**k checks those anyway?” (Mint hasn’t been hacked since, but it’s part of why they’re pushing verifying, they know that their users have been targeted before. Also if something goes wrong with the download the install will fail and you’ll waste more time than if you just checked.)

              If you don’t have a spare computer, a live USB can let you try Linux without making changes to your computer, but it’s going to be slow - a proper install is going to be a much nicer experience. If you’re okay without persistence (ie you can’t change anything or install additional programs for the next time you boot into it), just follow the Linux Mint website’s installation guide and stop before the actual install step. For persistence, try this method instead, but you really don’t want to use it long term, USB sticks aren’t designed for this.

              Once you’ve tried it live and you think you like the desktop environment, but if you’re not sure you’re ready to fully commit, if your computer has an extra slot for an SSD you could buy a second one and dual boot, that’s what I did. (Dual booting on the same drive is doable but more of a headache, and even on a different drive Windows doesn’t always play nicely.)

              • @JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
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                27 months ago

                Thank you much for this! I really appreciate that you took the time write all of that out

                I do have an old laptop I can use for learning on, don’t know why it didn’t occur to me to try linux on that first, but I’ll definitely do that, follow your instructions and see how it goes.

                I genuinely want to switch, just didn’t have the confidence to actually try. Thank you again for the great advice! I gotta go dig out that old laptop.

        • vvvvan
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          37 months ago

          I’ve finally made one tiny step into the Linux pool: Replacing my little old Plex server & NAS (mini PC, Windows 10) with… an even tinier Raspberry Pi 5.

          It’s been nice to finally have an excuse to start learning Linux: commands, bash scripts, ssh, samba shares, etc. I’ve always admired lean, portable FOSS, so it’s way overdue.

      • partial_accumen
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        337 months ago

        Gone in favor of a less useful interface Powershell commands. Fantastic!

        • @SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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          287 months ago

          Great, now I’ll have to Google Bing for a four-line command when before I could just dig through a few menus.

          • Beacon
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            I mean, if there’s still gonna be command line commands for all the features then there’s no reason why a 3rd party couldn’t make a gui app for them and recreate the control panels app

          • @Matriks404@lemmy.world
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            17 months ago

            Powershell at first seems to be weird and clunky, but after you get used to its syntax you can quickly look up and use its commands without much guessing.

          • richmondez
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            -17 months ago

            Finally linux will have parity in useability with windows.

              • richmondez
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                17 months ago

                I felt the /s was implied but clearly enough people actually believe that linux is only for people who master arcane command lines that it could be taken as a genuine belief.

              • @Matriks404@lemmy.world
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                17 months ago

                Powershell has a completely different approach of working with commands than traditional Unix shells. You pretty much don’t know what you are talking about.

              • NaibofTabr
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                57 months ago

                Actually PowerShelll is basically a wrapper for .NET classes… and it doesn’t really emulate Bash in any functional way.

                • @xavier666@lemm.ee
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                  77 months ago

                  The little time I have spent on powershell, I found it to be very slow. The input is also very verbose. I’m sure someone will say it allows one to be specific but I can be equally specific in bash as well. It’s like the Java Enterprise of scripting language.

        • goferking (he/him)
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          17 months ago

          Well then it’s guess which is the one to use now or which os those commands are naively installed and which need to be installed

      • Kushan
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        27 months ago

        I honestly wouldn’t mind the new interface if it at least has all the options and functionality from the control panel, but it doesn’t - there’s so much functionality you can only access via control panel

  • HexesofVexes
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    1057 months ago

    Control panel largely accrued content - it is generally navigated via left and right click which works great and is stable. Things don’t vanish.

    Settings, on the other hand, is left click only navigation mostly. It also changed constantly (usually for the worst) - tutorials written 2 years ago are no longer valid because access to that setting was removed. This makes using settings to fix things a real nightmare.

    • @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
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      267 months ago

      But luckily each item has a lot of “maybe you were looking for X or Y” at the bottom since you can’t find anything in there. So just click anywhere, and scroll to the bottom and you’ll find what you want in 2 or 3 screens.

      Unless it’s been removed. Then you just ask the resident IA.

      Windows is so easy!

      I run SuSE btw.

  • @curry@programming.dev
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    347 months ago

    Didn’t they learn that taking away what people grew up with for more than two decades already will result in outraged customers? (Windows 8 - start menu removed and replaced by start screen)

  • Cyborganism
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    447 months ago

    That’s okay because Windows will be gone entirely from my PC in a month.