Hmm. Per Facebook v. Power Ventures, it could be a (criminal) violation of the CFAA to “circumvent” IP blocks.
“Google shouldn’t be allowed to operate as a loss leader” - Reddit and Lemmy
“Paying for the service? Fuck that” - Also lemmy and Reddit.
Why give money to YouTube when I can give it to my favorite creators, and the developers of the alt yt clients/mirrors I use?
Because you have not set up that agreement and the vast majority of people don’t pay outside of ads or a singular monthly sub.
The next best thing is nebula which has 600,000 monthly subs at $5. Which means a maximum payout pool of 18M a year.
Look at the number of users vs donations. The only reason this place works is low traffic and low bandwidth. The vision you describe would be great but it’s not going to happen. ESPECIALLY once users are forced to pay rather than getting shit for free.
You don’t need all, or even most users money. Plenty of people make enough money off of the portion of their fanbase that pays them to not only survive, but thrive and grow.
You don’t need all, or even most. You don’t need this to be the norm for it to be sustainable.
Oh right, in the magical world where people are giving their money away. The majority of content creators would of left your platform. But it’s okay it’s easy to steal their right to distribution and handwave it away as not a problem.
This isn’t some magical world, this is how most open source software projects and even online content creators make their money.
Creators make way fucking more from patron than AdSense, even if its only a percentage of their audience. Do you know how much fucking watch time it would take to match the $5 a month I give to several of my favorite producers of online video?
A lot more than either your or I have time for, certainly more than the content they create.
You need only a sliver of your audience to pay, and platforms like patron prove this works.
The fact you’re baffled by even a small percentage of people donating to gratis projects says a lot about how you value volunteer labor, and its pretty fucking sad.
The large majority of open source tools that are used in mass have significant commercial backing.
Yes many users could make more money from patron only. Very few do in the tall world. Their primary source of income is YT. Because people don’t use the patrons.
What are you fucking on about lmao? Most channels that run a patreon, use it as their main source of income unless they also sell merch.
Everyone from giant channels like Linus Media Group, to medium and small-sized ones like Technology Connections, and Cathode Ray Dude.
I mean pretty much everyone I watch that has talked financials has mentioned how important patron is.
Some of them like Botgrinder literally for the most part, only make money through patreon because of YT’s restrictive demonetization guidelines. Yet despite the lack of ad-revenue the guy is able to live off of a 50k sub channel where he pretty much smokes weed and flies FPV quads.
As for FLOSS, that heavily depends the projects. Huge ones used by corporations sure, but who’s footing the bill for newpipe, Yt-dlp, Jellyfin, Pihole, And pretty much every video game emulator ever written? People like you (probably not considering your attitude), and me.
Amazing. As if these communities are made with thousands of people having different opinions.
And here’s mine: since Google used their position to essentially destroy any competition in this area, why should be my duty to protect their revenue? Even if I can afford to pay their services, I won’t and will actively discourage anyone else from doing so, by installing uBlock, ReVanced, NewPipe, SmartTube, GrayJay etc.
You can have a diverse community that has a large majority opinion. And what I said is certainly the prevailing opinion.
And to answer you about your personal view: You are stealing the right to distribution and taking money away from both corporations but more importantly creators. And I’ve seen the rates of direct donations eg patrons . It’s not ideological for most people, it’s about getting content for free.
Are you donating to every channel you are watching? I doubt it. Even the people who care mostly only donate directly to one of two top patrons, while still consuming many many more.
If you are actually donating, then good for you, I congratulate you for living what you preach and have zero qualms. But you would be a statistical edge case.
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That doesn’t sound like it’s an incredibly difficult problem to solve from a technical standpoint, if the creator is the one being hit. Just need either a software package – or, if the limitation here is content creator bandwidth, service – that pushes a video to multiple streaming video providers.
Might be an issue for third-parties creating mirrors of YouTube content, though.
Yep thats whats happening here by the sound of it. TILVids is a very small instance that shares donated $$ with their creators. Its a very good way to try and keep creators on the platform.
What are some good larger/general purpose peer tube instances? Last time I checked tilvids was one of the largest I found, so I seem to have missed a lot.
Heres some options:
https://fedidb.org/software/peertube (some are NSFW/very little moderation).
I like maker-y or general kind of instances like:
Hope that helps!
Are there any clients that support multiple instances? It would improve my feed if I would see content from several instances at once.
They all do, but if im honest, I subscribe using mastodon to have a peertube “List”.
This is what it looks like:
Interesting. Gotta try that.
I have P2Play installed. It only supports 1 instance at a time. 🤷
Oh yeah, still don’t know how to use Peertube.
Oof.
Is this the reason why SmartTubeNext keeps breaking on my TV? The updates come pretty quickly but it’s getting annoying cause my $1800 OLED has the processing power of a $50 Chinese Android phone and thus takes forever to install updates.
It really is maddening how slow these expensive ass smart TVs are. Updating the software at all is often enough to make them nearly unusable
Not to mention the hilariously tiny storage space. My TV came out in 2022, and has 8 freaking gigabytes of storage space. That’s right, eight. Before I removed all the pre-installed bloat with ADB, it barely had enough space left to install one app fresh out of the box. It’s like these smart TV manufacturers expect people to only use the built-in apps and nothing else ever.
50$ Chinese android phone is faster tho
I’m a YouTube creator, part of the partner program, and I also manually upload to TILvids. The videos I make generate about $100-$300 a year through the partner program, so I’m not a professional by any means. It feels like they’re trying to keep creators from leaving by putting up small roadblocks that limit our reach beyond the platform. Given PeerTube’s non-profit model, I see it as a potential future for content sharing. Though there are a few rock stars on YouTube, most of the creators on that platform make little to no money from publishing videos. There are more people like me than Linus Media Group.
I would guess a significant number of “creators” are motivated by the idea of eventually becoming a hit and making much more money, though. And wouldn’t really do it of they didn’t have that dream.
Not sure what percentage, though. Maybe less than I think.
Yeah its really too bad how Youtube treats other video creators. Its a strange world. Hopefully peertube (given enough time) will have some viable options or at least an alternative. Is there any other platforms that work with video creators like yourself? I personally dont know of too many other than maybe twitch? I haven’t been keeping up.
This can be problematic for Peertube’s adoption.
If user only uses Peertube to upload, they likely wouldn’t notice a thing from this, but if it’s a creator from Youtube that’s trying to upload to multiple platforms this can cause major problems for ease of use and since the Peertube user base is small to begin with, this can potentially damage Peertube in the long run.
We need to slowdown YouTube and get an alternative that is viable for people and creators. The problem in this case is creators and brands, almost no creators would continue doing videos if there’s no money at the end
We probably need to have some kind of business that links up people looking for ads with in video monetization. Of course sponsor block Will negate that to some decent extent.
The other problem is storage and bandwidth.
The solution is decentralization of the web
So now the problem is sharing your IP with every member of the P2P swarm.
Not really because sharing an IP is nothing that important
Not if it used Veiled
Russia did it recently
😂
VK Video is indeed probably close to it, being a quasi state company. Theoretically they can not maximize profit extraction in all spaces, and keep the videos without unlimited propaganda. But Rutube is a profit-seeking company that is just smaller scale youtube. Let’s see how the 1st will evolve over time.
Something community owned and a non-profit would be good.
They’re already halfway there /s
Right, but again the problem is creators
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Nah a little alt right content is entirely too much.
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See that’s the cute thing.They can have their free speech right there, but freedom also means the for most people obvious choice not to associate with nazis and other similiar troglodytes.
And as you said yourself, it already seems to be a popular hole for said miscreants, so why even bother with it.
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free speech is important
Sure, but that doesn’t mean that one should willfully fraternize with idiots lol Troglodytes should be shunned, nothing wrong about that.
The problem with money being involved is it’s an invitation to spam crap everywhere.
One of my relatives has recently taken up “AI travel videos” and “AI cute videos” as a “hobby”. No doubt based on the first thing that came up when I searched for those things, a video titled “make $10,000 a month spamming up YouTube with your AI slop”.
Oh, and it needs you to buy the AI slop generating tools that they happen to sell. How convenient!
I mean, this also happened with broadcast TV, where we suddenly went from like 4 channels filled with programs and things competing for space, to 200 channels, where the rush was on to fill the gaps between the adverts as cheaply as possible with reality show tat. And that’s all YouTube is now.
It’s subscription based, but Nebula is creator owned I believe. Sucks though that everything free gets acquired by some extractive company.
There is the PeerTube network, which works like Lemmy.
This is one the best YouTube alternative but needs to be adopt massively
Start using it and ask content creators to also put their content on there.
I’ve seen the effects on invidious these past days. 8 in 10 instances have been broken. Google is putting some serious work into shutting alternate frontends down. Shows you how much of a dent they’re putting in the bottom line.
Shows you how much of a dent they’re putting in the bottom line.
Or how desperate google execs are to get even the tiniest bump in revenue.
LINE MUST GO UP AT ALL TIMES
I doubt it’s denting the bottom* line as much as the recent court rulings. And I doubt it’s as much paying bills as it is paying vested interests.
hopefully they come up with a workaround.
I remember Hooktube. That was when front ends were still trying to play nice by accessing youtube the “right way”.
They killed that one off pretty hastily.
Invidious was the hero successor, but I think we all knew that it would eventually come to this. Invidious’ most recent fixes for blocking involve passing identity tokens, making a concession that Google is then better able to track users behind Invidious.
I’m not sure how much farther there is left to go on the technical angle of this fight.
GrayJay is the only one that seems to still work without issue but it’s getting updates very regularly.
Invidious and YouTube piped (and LibreTube) by default load the videos server-side, as opposed to GrayJay, NewPipe or Smarttube.
It has advantages (mostly that your IP address is not shared with YouTube, and it allows users from countries where YouTube is blocked to still access it) and inconvenients (much harder to keep up when YouTube actively seeks to block them).
Invidious shares your IP with google, it does not act as a proxy
I’m pretty confident that you are wrong.
Fair enough, that’s interesting. I assume this only applies to the non-web clients. On the web, it would not be possible. You can verify by looking at the outgoing network requests on this random video for example: https://invidious.privacyredirect.com/watch?v=qKMcKQCQxxI
On the web, it would not be possible.
Why not?
I guess this reply lost its “by default” part on the way 🤔
The other day someone on lemmy kept trying to tell me that if google wanted to shut down ad blocking they would. But they don’t, so it’s ok.
Lol, spawn me that person plz.
AdBlocking is 100% OK, that part is correct for sure. Ad networks (including Google’s) routinely serve up scams and malware: It is foolish not to use a browser with a fully functional ad blocker at this point (i.e. avoid Chrome, use Firefox with uBlock origin).
As for whether Google approves: Fuck Google! They have been serving up malware and scams in their ads. Their opinion should be irrelevant if you have any interest in protecting yourself, they have repeatedly proven they cannot and should not be trusted.
If Google takes money to host an ad that’s malware, they should be able to be prosecuted for it.
This is different than simply hosting community content that they can’t reasonably moderate. They’re being given money to distribute these ads, so they can afford to moderate them.
Which should be easy anyway. Ads shouldn’t be able to install third-party shit from the advertisers on user computers. Google can easily restrict what can be included on an ad package.
Yes at this point why would any person would care what Google thinks? Google can go fuck themselves.
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That’s because it’s all local to your device.
get newpipe and ublock origin if you want to screw with google:
Alt nominations:
Grayjay (Android)
Freetube (PC)
I’m honestly surprised peertube has lasted as long as it has as it is
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Maybe a stupid question, but how do paid streaming services avoid that issue?
Not the OP, and I don’t actually know, but paid streaming services differ from YouTube in that everyone who accesses the content is paying for the service. On one hand, you can validate that everytime a video is served, it’s served to a paying user. On the other, you are receiving revenue directly from consumers to fund the infrastructure to store and serve the videos.
YouTube, on the other hand, stores significantly more content, for free, and can be accessed for free, without being signed in.
The “without being signed in” part of YouTube is now no longer completely true. I tried to watch a video tutorial at work the other day and it wouldn’t play because I wasn’t signed in and so “they couldn’t be sure I wasn’t a bot”. I’m not signing into any personal stuff on my work computer, or wasting time creating a “work” Google account, so I guess YT can no longer be a place where I can get helpful programming info.
That might have been because of your IT team. You can absolutely watch YouTube videos without being signed in. I do it all the time.
YT likely recognized the IP as belonging to a commercial entity and threw up the block, due to bot concerns, over that .
Possibly yeah
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The financial insensitive to ensure only paying users can access the content offsets the cost of the different infrastructure.
YouTube needs to make money as cheaply as possible. They can’t afford the processing to guarantee ad delivery and secure content like that.
If the infrastructure/delivery cost of securing content goes up, streaming services can raise their prices.
YT can’t really serve more ads. The platform is already pretty packed with adsYT can’t really serve more ads
They say to hold their beer and watch this…
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I took full advantage of invidious while it was still working, now I am anxious of ever going back to YouTube. It won’t be long before they requiring giving them your iris scan before watching a video on that shit platform.
I’ve noticed a few people on Reddit taking about getting possibly shadow banned on YouTube, myself included. With no real explanation why? Every video just comes up as “content not available” when logged in. It started a week ago or so. I wonder if this is all related?
