Like way to kill your platform for anything educational where you want to pause to look at a graph.
Look at the article linked to it. It has a render of a pause ad being a banner that shrinks the video player somewhat, but the paused video is viewable.
That’s a lot of faith that the ads would be SFW, let alone not distracting.
YouTube wants you to keep watching the videos. The more time you spend on the site the more ads you see. They care about finding the balance of acceptable ad load to maximize ad space, which requires a consistent user base. I have faith that this is their objective. Also, videos take time to load and a user hitting pause is unpredictable. A light weight display ad is probably the best technically feasible way to grab a user’s attention in that brief moment of hitting pause. Especially when pause means a user wants to mute audio to do things like take a phone call, a video would turn off users to the platform.
It doesn’t need to be an animated visual to be distracting or NSFW…
Nice. I don’t care.
I stopped watching YouTube years ago.
<golf clap>
YouTube is unwatchable. No way I can make it through those ads.
Firefox + ublock origin = no ads
anyone who doesn’t already know this doesn’t want to be helped
(+) SponsorBlock = chef’s kiss
They’ve started serving ads when you skip backwards. Drives me fucking nuts.
I was willing to use the mobile app with ads because the interface is slightly less buggy.
Ad blocking on mobile web it is for me now 👍
Revanced ftw
Tubular :)
Had to jump into the ‘name your alternative’ thread hehe.
Tubular because it includes SponsorBlock.
Tubular feels better, in my opinion.
newpipe
Did I miss some detail? I get the impressions from the comments this is some really poor choice for user experience as people will often pause to check something
But in my experience pause ads are nothing new at all and they start after the device has been idle. What did I miss that makes this different?
This already happened. People looking up CPR instructions because a loved one is dying, only to be met with three unskippable ads.
Goodbye Meemaw.
Yeah, that may be so, but priorities man. Priorities! Think of our profits man! In this harsh economy, ever ad counts! We’re only controlling 90% of the internet while we strive for 100%. That’s 10% short. 10%! We only had a revenue of 305 billion in 2023 which is not nearly enough to cut down on ads. Billionaire lives matter man! Come on, everybody, say it all together: Make millionaires billionaires again! Billionaires first! Meemaws don’t consume enough anyway. Screw her. By the way, want some penis enlargement pills?
Proof? Aren’t there classes of videos non monetized on youtube? When I just google search for cpr and find the american red cross I quickly found written instructions as well as a youtube video that doesn’t appear to have any ads. Isn’t the problem that some video creators intentionally create videos for CPR in hopes of monetizing?
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Thanks for the checking. I think the whole argument is pretty wild and specious, and factually suspect, that someone died because a person couldn’t look up the cpr video on time. YouTube is not a platform that is meant to deliver on demand life saving training. In NYC all the restaurants and workplaces have signs up in designated areas with instructions on how to do cpr. I suspect someone is going to more quickly look up written instructions or infographics if they need to Google. But really, this just speaks to the importance in staying up to date on CPR practices and having school and HR classes that teach this on a recurring basis. Using this as an argument against all ads is kind of nuts.
Also, the first step of most CPR instructions is call 911. So if you follow instructions, how are you watching a video on the phone? And can’t the operator coach you through the steps? https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr/performing-cpr/cpr-steps
Not defending YouTube here, but CPR is so time sensitive that if they were looking up instructions, she was a goner anyway.
Have you had CPR training? What you stated isn’t true. Every second counts. But looking up instructions and seeing a easy video will still help massively.
Exactly. It takes over a minute for permanent brain damage from a lack of oxygen, and it can take several, several minutes before actual death.
CPR started anytime within that range will help keep the person alive, as you are literally forcing their body to intake oxygen and pump the blood.
If you find someone without a heart beat and they aren’t already cold then call 911 and start cpr
Yes in fact I teach it and do it regularly. Out of hospital cardiac arrest survival rates are atrocious even when the person performing CPR is properly trained, let alone a panicked person trying to look up instructions on YouTube.
And I’m 100% not saying that a person shouldn’t attempt to do CPR in this scenario, just saying that any realistic scenario where the compressor is trying to look up instructions in real time is bound to fail. That’s why I volunteer my time teaching community members how to do it properly, even if it’s hands-only CPR (eg no rescue breaths)
Hey look, a blatant lie disguised as a fact!
I wonder how this furthers your agenda…
Anyone else remember when new technology used to be fun and exciting instead of miserable?
Somewhere along the line, maybe the early to mid 2000’s they stopped making products “for” the end-user and flipped it around so the end-user (their data) is now the product, and the customers are governments, corporations, and share holders.
shareholders
If 0.000…01% shareholders count:
Guessing a lotta us have a few bucks in index funds… suppose that ain’t cool, gotta find a principled fund.
The most principled funds must only invest in like three companies cuz every corp has some problem.
Because those shareholders (billionaires) and corporations drained the consumers of all of their money and now they’re the most profitable demographic to market to.
That’s what happens when you aren’t the (sole) paying customer.
Some of it is. Just different (not mainstream) technology.
Absolutely. Although, this is just making old technology worse because web 3.0 and AI aren’t performing to corpo expectations.
That’s part of the reason why new community oriented projects are way more interesting to me now than most software. There are some outliers in the space who still have dedicated people in their craft rather than for money but it is fewer and farther between.
Long gone are the days when I used be excited to read update notes for new features… Now I just hope they don’t god damn force an update on me.
Just use Free and Open Source Software!
It can always fuck up with updates, but usually you just get more free stuff and it’s awesome.
And always donate if you find the project useful!
I went back to an old APK of Twitch and refuse to update to the current dumpster fire.
Xtra is great https://github.com/crackededed/Xtra/
They also leak your User ID and IP to a 3rd party.
ugh.
Twire is a great alternative though.
https://github.com/twireapp/Twire
And it only connects to Twitch! :) (Plus betterttv or alternatives in case support for them are activated iirc)
is there a way to watch stuff without using a Twitch account with it? I’ve tried just skipping the login process, but search returns no results when I search for streamers or games.
I use PurpleTV and it’s been great. It’s a Twitch fork modified to block ads, reduce bloat, and include customisation for chat, player and other components.
Don’t know if we can share links here but the APK can be easily found online, still being updated semi-regularly. I won’t come back to the official app as long as I’m able. :)
Cheers for that. I had other third party apps way back in the day but they lacked some features. Will check it out.
The fuck they are
I’d rather see them on pause screen than interrupting the playback but because we can’t have any nice things, interruptions will also only get worse.
Yeah, I guarantee you google isn’t interested in showing you one or the other. They want the revenue from both. My only question is, if you pause an ad, can you get another ad in your ad?
The infinitebad windows, how deep can you go!?!?
Just gonna say I hate this when other apps do this. I pause cause I need to concentrate on something else. Showing an ad just makes that even harder. Now I have to pause AND close the app.
Just close it straight away…
Not on my watch.
For that they’re waiting on the paperwork to go through with Apple.
Having a hard enough time just trying to fucking skip back 20 seconds without accidentally tapping on the creators’ page.
Just use the arrow keys
accidentally tapping
Sounds like mobile to me
God I hope my adbock holds up…
If it doesn’t I will make something that records the entire f****** stream and removes the commercials out of it the old fashioned way If I have to. Not my first rodeo.
…how?
Video content never changes, but the order and content of ads do. Automated browser, record the video 2-3 times. Diff the frames and slice out the ones that don’t match between runs.
I remember back in the day, there was programs that would identify ads and remove them off on air programs. I would imagine something like that would be possible. Although at that point, just skipping the “platform” altogether might be a better solution.
My guess: Youtube-dl derivative then an ffmpeg script to detect black frames that usually sandwich commercials on TV and delete the video inside those frames.
Yt-DLP and it’s variation (Seal, YTDLnis, etc.), newpipe and it’s variation (Tubular, Newpipe Sponsorblock, etc) already allow you to do this without having to get manual.
And I use YTDLP now. At some point they will make it inoperable. I’m honestly surprised they haven’t sorted it out yet.
Seal sold out. It’s trash now
“Seal downloader” from the Playstore and “Seal” from F-Droid are 2 very different apps. One is a a clone riddled with ads, the other one is FOSS goodness. You are free to guess which is which.
I will find text versions of everything I need to learn about and create my own video, and then watch it.
Wait a couple more years you’ll be able to feed the descriptions through AI and make really trippy videos
If it happens, and you do, host it, and set up a donation box too.
So you want someone to broadcast, and you’re willing to pay for it, but not willing to support the content creators in any way?
I would happily watch ads if they were non-intrusive and non-interrupting ads like side banners that don’t cause popups, or product placement inside videos.
I would also pay for a platform where 100% of the money goes to paying for hosting and paying the creators.
Neither of these things are happening, so yes, I would rather donate to support piracy.
Most likely, I just dedicate an old laptop, a 4k HDMI capture device, store off MP4 and feed it through comskip then take it h265 and store it off.
If I don’t do anything tricky with the browser they can’t detect that I’m doing anything tricky at all.
The only thing I’m a little concerned about is that they’re going to start doing advertising like broadcast TV did and put quarter screen commercials up for other shows in the middle of running shows.
If it doesn’t goodbye Youtube. I love the creators, but hate you as a platform.
Yeah, uBlock Origin not working would take me from liking YouTube a fair bit to making it unusable.
- I use Proton but keep legacy Gmail accounts around to ensure I still have access to accounts I may have forgotten about or people I knew a long time ago sending a stray email. The only other usage is logging into YouTube.
- I use a Captcha solver extension.
- I use uBlock Origin to block all their ads.
- I don’t use their DNS.
- I use DDG over their search engine and Firefox over their browser.
- I don’t use Google Drive or their office suite (I think the latter is abysmal to use tbf).
- I use DeepL over Translate.
- I use NewPipe for YouTube on mobile and have a subscription to Nebula.
- I no longer use Google Maps, opting for OSM instead.
- I still use Android and unfortunately can’t unlock the bootloader but have degoogled as far as I know how, including never even registering a Google account with it (F-Droid + Aurora Store).
YouTube is far and away the biggest means by which I interact with Google, and that falls off a cliff if I’m forced to interact with a mess of their ridiculously shitty ads every time I have to use it. uBO has likely saved hundreds of hours of watching ads over my lifetime (and probably thousands of dollars from not being subconsciously influenced by ads), and I’m not paying a subscription fee to such an unethical company to get rid of the ads. This would bring me from YouTube as a timewaster to YouTube only as strictly necessary. Even though I don’t support them directly through ads, I do support them by supporting creators I like monetarily, by sharing links and maintaining the network effect, and by giving them plenty of metadata by interacting with their service. If they do this, they ensure that I continue to monetarily support competitors like Nebula and permanently lose a grip they’ve had on me since I was a kid.
Captcha solver add-on? Had no idea about that. If a captcha can be solved this way, why is still being used? What’s the point?
The point is that people think that it’s effective. It’s the illusion of security, which does actually keep some of the more stupid spammers and bad actors at bay. It doesn’t stop the ones that are determined though, nothing does.
To decrease the amount of spam. There is a misunderstanding, the same with anti-cheat. Captchas will always be solvable, there will always be people who cheat. The point is not to eliminate all bots / cheaters, but to only have to deal with a smaller number of them.
+1 on the Nebula subscription. It’s worth every penny. That and Dropout are the only streaming subscriptions I still maintain.
That’s what we need tbh. If people get fed up and leave then eventually creators will too
not if you use ublock origin or newpipe
Or LibreTube
OK, I’ve been dicking around with LibreTube for 4 hours now and I can’t figure out how to, or if I need to, create a login, and where exactly I would do that, given the several sources under “instance”.
For the sake of fuck, why are so many open source projects gut-wrenchingly awful at providing any beginner user info?
The easiest solution is to go to Settings -> Instance and toggle both “Disable Piped proxy” and “Local stream extractions”
And SmartTubeNext on Android TV
I use both!
It’s their private website, they do on it whatever they want. Right, lemmy?
You can run your own federated streaming service that will have no ads and will be free of charge, yeah?
No, commercial services with a dominant position in the market cannot do whatever they want.
Bootlickers wouldn’t understand
This market domination is non-discriminatory. It’s not like you go to your local car dealerships and they don’t sell you any other brand than GM. Everyone on the internet is free to go and use any other service. It’s dominant because users are happy with their ads or subscription fees instead of investing their time into using a competing product.
Everyone on the internet is free to go and use any other service.
Yes but that’s not the claim you made. You wrote “It’s their private website, they do on it whatever they want. Right, lemmy?” and this blanket statement is wrong. They can’t to “whatever they want” because they are bound by laws. If Google/Alphabet instituted rules on YouTube that competing video services like Nebula cannot named at all, market watchdogs would be at their heels immediately and they’d win in court if it came to it.
Can they put ads on pause screens? Yes. Can they do “whatever they want”? No.
Nobody here wants peertube really.
They want free bandwidth (streaming 4k60), free computation (encoding, optimization), free research (codec development) and free storage (for endless amount of videos). Google sucking is a valid reason to piggyback on Google infrastructure but they seem to feel entitled to Google just letting it happen.
i pay for this shiti service while being data mined anyway…
you are acting as if paying is a solution against these parasites… it aint.
You’re getting angry at a company and capitalism in general. Big techs should be broken up and regulated up to their tits. In the current legal framework they don’t owe you anything and are well within their rights to put up a fight though. They won’t do anything out of good of their hearts because companies don’t have one.
I never understood, and never will understand this.
Even when I was a poor teenager and pirated essentially everything I always knew that this content only exists because someone is paying for it.
How do people go around feeling like the best VoD platform to ever exist, available on every device imaginable, optimized for years by best software engineers the world has, should be free, and without ads is beyond me.
They can try to enshittify all they want, but as long as they keep offering that shit for free it’s their own fault really. There will always be a way to remove all the crap once the video images enter my computer.
If it isn’t sustainable for them then they should have required sign in and payment long ago instead of operating at a loss just to get all the content in their place. The only ones letting it happen are themselves, we just here for the ride.
They won’t stop piracy ever but they can also make it as inconvenient as possible. You treat it like a game of cat and mouse while 90% of society uses adblock because someone told them how to do that.
Don’t most YouTubers make more money with their own sponsorships than from YT ads? Can we start the mass migration to PeerTube already?
This has been the case since some time before the Adpocalypse iirc.
YT will likely attempt to play creators and viewers off one another. Similar to how hospitality does so with patrons and staff re: tips. You could see a FUD campaign aimed at anyone republishing their work on competitor sites.
odysee can also be a option from peertube as well but odysees privacy policy they sell non pii data according to them if they dont sell user data we will be good
I don’t think Peertube would handle mass migration of Youtube creators, unless each and every one of them set up their own instance.
If I had a million dollars I’d start a company that sets up and manages federated software like Mastodon and Peertube.
I’d honestly be curious to see how that plays out. Every creator hosts their own content while strengthening and spreading the Peertube network.
I feel like that would quickly solidify it as a viable alternative.
This, my friends, is a classic lemmy argument: “how about someone whom I already don’t pay anything go and do more work for less pay, so I can enjoy my content free, without ads, and don’t need to bother with an AdBlock”.
How about, you, anon, set up a server, provide a simple upload API, and convince your favorite content creator to upload there? Since it’s no costs for them and very little work, they might. Maintain that for a year, then we’ll talk.
Then realize that YouTube was losing billions every year for over a decade, and that their current model is the only way it can be profitable for them 😅
The unfortunate business model of the current tech world.
And the only way to teach them to drop this BS is to migrate to a better thing as soon as the enshitification starts.
I would’ve told you we shouldn’t have fallen into this trap to begin with, but that implies cooperation of the entire internet. And that ain’t happening.
On the other hand, we can accept that this is how things are. We get years of free trial and pay for it in the next years. 13$/month is not an insane amount of money for the value provided. And it’s shared with creators in a transparent manner, so it’s not like they’re hording all of it either.
Except content creators want to create content, not maintain an instance.
In time the technical knowledge requirements may be reduced. I could see a small company selling pre-setup media servers with a couple TB of storage. Just plug it in, load up your videos and your basically done.
And if you don’t have comments/users, there is little that needs to be maintained.
It’s not perfect, but there will eventually be a point where YouTube becomes so enshitified that people begin to switch to alternatives.
Nah, your ISP doesn’t give you enough bandwidth to host your own mini YouTube. You vastly underestimate the bandwidth required to run the service. It’s massive, which is why PeerTube is having a hard time gaining traction.
Not all creators need the same bandwidth.
Exactly. More work for likely less pay.
