- cross-posted to:
- privacyguides@lemmy.one
- cross-posted to:
- privacyguides@lemmy.one
A bipartisan group of 12 senators has urged the Transportation Security Administration’s inspector general to investigate the agency’s use of facial recognition, saying it poses a significant threat to privacy and civil liberties.
“This technology will soon be in use at hundreds of major and mid-size airports without an independent evaluation of the technology’s precision or an audit of whether there are sufficient safeguards in place to protect passenger privacy,” the senators wrote.
“While the TSA claims facial recognition is optional, it is confusing and intimidating to opt out of TSA’s facial recognition scans, and our offices have received numerous anecdotal reports of Transportation Security Officers (TSOs) becoming belligerent when a traveler askes to opt out, or simply being unaware of that right,” the senators wrote. They added that in some airports the signage instructing flyers to step in front of a camera is prominently displayed while signs advising passengers of their right to opt out of face scan is “strategically placed in inconspicuous locations.”
To opt out of a face scan at an airport, a traveler need only say that they decline facial recognition. They can then proceed normally through security by presenting an identification document, such as a driver’s license or passport.
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I opt out aggressively, but they make it so hard. Once I even approached the agent and the camera was directly already in my face, so I hold my hand up to try to block it and say, “I don’t want this,” but apparently they had already gotten my image before I blocked the camera and the TSA agent said “well, you’re verified.” So much for opting out.
Another time, I was going on an international flight. At the gate, the airline is scanning everyone’s face. I quickly searched the internet about it and found some Reddit post indicating it’s not mandatory at all, but sure enough they’re treating it like it is. When I get to the front, I tell the guy, “I’m not doing this.” And he says “Well, it’s the only way to get on the plane!” I continue to protest citing their privacy policy, which I had learned about moments before. He kinda scoffs and waves me over the to gate desk.
I walk past him and to the gate lady, she checks my passport and hands me a paper boarding pass. I already had a boarding pass on my phone, but ok. Well, then I walk past the guy who was scanning faces to board the plane and he doesn’t pay any attention to me. I realize then that I could’ve skipped talking to the gate agent all together and just boarded. Wow, these biometrics are so secure! That said, everyone else in line just did as they were asked like a bunch of sheep, some even smiling for the camera while their biometrics were harvested.
Wear a face mask at the airport, and you’ll never get a surprise facial recognition photo again.
TSA Clear verifies by your eyes. Covering your nose and mouth won’t be sufficient for long, if it even still is
Yup. Something like reflectacles can probably help w/ verification by eyes, a mask helps with verification by face. I’m happy to let a human verify (I’ll pull down my mask for them), but I refuse to let this happen automatically, because it’s absolutely a 4th amendment violation to constantly be tracked throughout the airport.
If only there was some government organization in place that could propose and pass legislation to limit the TSA.
A bipartisan group of 12 senators has urged the Transportation Security Administration’s inspector general to investigate the agency’s use of facial recognition, saying it poses a significant threat to privacy and civil liberties.
To which the TSA probably said, “Well, duh!”
Got a lot of attitude when telling them I preferred to opt out. Signs posted everywhere informing you of the right and the agent felt so put upon when asked. To the point that I mentioned to supervisor and she tried to over apologize like she cares and was going to talk to the agent, but she didn’t give a shit. It’s an intimidation/peer pressure thing, also they do scan your face, and then you can ask them to discard after the fact… But how many of us think that data is actually “gone” after they’ve collected it?
More likely you still have a scan somewhere in system, now just with an added flag labeling you as a difficult
When I opt out, they keep telling me “we delete the photo after you leave.” Are you deleting the data of my face though? Fuck off with that noise, I ain’t fuckin fallin for it
That sucks. I’ve never had an issue opting out after finding out it’s possible, maybe done it 7 or 8 times. I smile and ask “is it possible to opt out of that?”
I’m curious if something would happen if they told you no, when you do in fact have that right. I’m so anxious when I’m there (about nothing, just an anxious guy) that if they told me I couldn’t opt out I’d just fall in and let the thing scan me.
We know for a fact that its not gone.
What they say is that the TSA deletes it locally. They dont make any claim that other agencies that they send it to delete it. Read their claims carefuly.
I e.g. some EU airports, you have separate lines for passport check by an officer, and lines for passport & face scan machines. This way you can choose which one to use, when you enter/exit the EU.
Ted Cruz, lol.
Does opting out do anything practical when you’re walking through a an airport with enough cameras to determine how many times you’ve farted in terminal A?
Not that I disagree with the premise but …
They put up signs that the scan will be deleted after verification, but I am guessing that is a misdirection and a hash of the scan is saved like how fingerprint scanners work. Otherwise there would be no need for the scanners since a person is there to verify the scan already…
Or they could be outright lying, cops can do that, and I assume the TSA can as well.
Is this a requirement for domestic flights? In Texas they have these things but nobody uses them.
Not that guy! That’s Saddam Hussein! Her him!
Oh shit, sir, we’re really sorry! Didn’t know Saddam was already in the country! Here’s a complimentary peanut.
And now scum like Trump are in control of the TSA. We should have shut it down when we had the chance.
So following the same path as the full body scanners. Cool, cool cool cool.
The body scanners are optional
Really? The last few times I traveled it didn’t seem like it was an option. It’s been a while since I was traveling regularly though.
You have to ask.
The alternative is usually a pat down.
I had an ex who had an implant that required her to opt out of the full body scanner, she always got patted down
Just say no. You’re right they dont tell you its an option.
the TSA has said the systems have a three percent false negative rate—how often they fail to properly match a person to their image in the database—which would equate to 68,000 failures daily if the technology was spread across all airports.
Holy crap, so 1 out of every 30 times I fly, I get to fly under someone else’s identity that looks like me?
Fuck that’s broke
3% false negatives, not false positives.
Claimed 3% false negatives according to the TSA, not actual false negatives, which are probably far higher. And what’s the false positive rate? How many people are going to get hauled off planes and harassed for no reason?
I’m not making an argument for the technology or the veracity of the claims, I was literally just pointing out the misunderstanding.
Any data released in what percentage are refusing it? This hardly seems necessary to make it mandatory - I’ve never seen anyone refuse it in my many hours standing in TSA lines. I’ve also never been asked if I have a preference, only told in a typical grumpy Tsa voice to look at the camera. There are cameras all over the damn airport - I don’t believe they aren’t capturing and potentially using recognition algorithms on other cameras as well.
I think its great to see there are a few spines left on Capitol Hill interested in pushing back a bit though.
Let’s be real they are only pushing back because they haven’t received their cut yet
I didn’t know until today that you could opt out of it
Every airport I’ve gone through that’s doing it has half a dozen signs up as you move through the line telling you that you can opt out by letting them know you want to.
Ever try it or see somebody do it?
I’ve done it 7 or 8 times, I just ask if it’s possible to opt out. Never had an issue.
Yeah I’ve opted out every time (a couple times each at three different airports) and haven’t had any issues, the agents I’ve seen knew exactly what to do if someone opts out.
Read all the signs at the checkpoint. They are important.
I’m visually impaired so it’s entirely possible I missed them
Always assume you can opt-out. Worst case scenario, they tell you that you can’t, and then if you find out later that you can, you can sue for a 4th amendment violation.
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