• @TommySoda@lemmy.world
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    32 months ago

    I’m honestly surprised more content creators on TikTok haven’t raised a stink about this from what I’ve seen. Agree with it or not, for some people this is their livelihood.

    • @misk@sopuli.xyzOP
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      42 months ago

      IIRC TikTok is rather top heavy in terms of income and this highest tier of influencers is diversified across all media channels anyway.

      Regular folk have better luck making money on YouTube and Instagram so TikTok creators are unusual bunch. In my experience (which is very likely shaped by the algorithm) they are a mix of talent show performers, odd personalities and no longer relevant one hit wonders that got lucky. They’re mostly sad about losing that space because it’s so different to alternatives. I don’t think anyone that doesn’t have much money feels in power anymore so what are they going to do?

      • @Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
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        22 months ago

        Yeah, but those affiliate links made people bank, especially during the holidays.

        I actually got like half my ideas and my daughters from the tiktok shop. (Then went and bought it on Aliexpress)

    • Pika
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      Most content creators that I know have either openly stated that they prefer it shutting down because it’s such a royal pain in the ass to use TikTok since it’s audience is so different than their other platforms, or have said they stopped using it without showing a position, the only reason they used it in the first place is because that’s where the audience is but they would much prefer other alternatives

  • @mlg@lemmy.world
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    -22 months ago

    I wonder if they’ll sell or go down in flames.

    If they sell, it’ll just become overly moderated like Facebook.

    If they go down in flames, a bunch of overnight competitors will compete to succeed.

    • @crashoverride@lemmy.world
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      62 months ago

      Did you see the post made by Zucker? They’re going to stop moderating posts, especially those made from, Right wing motherfuckers

      • @misk@sopuli.xyzOP
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        32 months ago

        They can moderate by boosting certain opinions and downranking others. It doesn’t need fact checkers because it’s platform owner interests and not facts that matter.

      • @mlg@lemmy.world
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        They’re going to stop moderating posts

        That just means they’ll favor the right wing content since it currently benefits them. They will continue to moderate and shadow hide whatever they don’t agree with or are paid to censor.

      • @mlg@lemmy.world
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        02 months ago

        It’s their second highest market after Indonesia? They dragged this out as much as possible in congress and in court because its valuable to them.

  • @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    302 months ago

    Ok.

    (I bet tiktok doesn’t shut down, but if it does I can’t wait for my kids to tell me about all the meltdowns at middle school over tiktok shutting down. Too many parents let their kids have unfettered internet access. No, mine don’t have tiktok.)

      • @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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        42 months ago

        No. They don’t.

        I installed the home LAN, set site restrictions, app restrictions, use parental controls on all their devices, use OpenDNS family shield, PiHole, and app installation controls on their devices.

        Even of they did find a way to see it I would see the IP address flagged.

        Sounds draconian, but social media is fucked up for kids. They can have access at 16. They have a shitload of other internet freedom, though. They’re good kids.

        • @vala@lemmy.world
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          12 months ago

          And all of their friends have the same firewalls when they go to hang out?

          Not trying to be rude but it seems kinda naive.

          My little sister is also not allowed on tiktok but she just uses it on her friend’s phones when they hang out.

          • @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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            Their web browsers are restricted off. They cannot install any apps. This discussion is about what my kids have on their devices, and telling me they might see it elsewhere is irrelevant.

            I don’t think you understand my knowledge level, you do me disservice by assuming I’m naive, and your rudeness is because of changing the conditions of the discussion to make yourself right by changing the parameters based on that invented naïveté.

            No, I can’t control what they see at their friend’s houses on someone else’s device. I saw the playboy channel at a friend’s house when I was a kid and I didn’t have cable at my house. That’s what kids do. I understand and accept this. I’m not a tyrant or control freak or clutching my pearls. That’s the part where you get to discuss good and bad about social media or any aspect of the internet with your kids, like a parent is supposed to do, and do your best to protect your kids’ mental and physical wellbeing within reason.

            • @vala@lemmy.world
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              12 months ago

              Ok I think this is a misunderstanding about what it means to “have tiktok”. If you mean in the context of your house sure.

              But I had this same conversation with my parents. There is no reasonable way to actually prevent a kid from having access to tiktok in some contexts. Parents who say their kids don’t use tiktok because it’s not allowed at home are just incorrect.

              My dad doesn’t get that when she hangs out with friends or goes to school, she IS seeing tiktok content.

              Seems like we actually agree here though.

        • @Whateley@lemm.ee
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          12 months ago

          Good. TikTok is pure fucking brainrot. People acting like it’s disappearance is some great tragedy make me laugh.

  • @cm0002@lemmy.world
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    262 months ago

    That would go beyond the ban’s requirement for app stores to stop offering downloads of the app, but not immediately halt use of it.

    Before the tankies get mad about the “censorship” of the US while failing to mention the LONG list of things you can get straight up arrested for in China

    • NaibofTabr
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      Or have a “tea drinking” session:

      When I was able to speak to Ms. Wu about the “tea drinking” session (euphemism for police harassment), she sharply conveyed her sense of vulnerability due to the lack of interest in her stepping away from her popular Twitter account, stating,

      Literally the only thing that was keeping me online for the past few years was they were worried it would make China look bad if they cracked down on me. Now that they know that I could be dead in a ditch tomorrow and no one would give a shit or say a word I’m 1000x less safe here.

      […]

      Wu added,

      After years of doing this without anyone saying anything, on June 30th, out of the blue, they send plainclothes thugs to my house. Surprise! They were real cops.

      Why? because she’s LGBTQ+, has a Uyghur partner, and has some friends in Western nations.

      reference: https://www.hackingbutlegal.com/p/naomi-wu-and-the-silence-that-speaks-volumes

      https://x.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/1177145458503737344

  • @chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
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    1412 months ago

    Any social media that you isn’t open and self hostable (Lemmy, Mastodon, etc) should not be used. That includes Facebook, Instagram, Twitter/X, TikTok, and more.

    Most social media has, IMHO, been a net-negative for society and I am in the generation that grew up with it in its infancy.

    • Baron Von J
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      472 months ago

      My one wish for Fediverse would be federated identities. So I don’t have to have baronvonj@<platform> for ever single one of them.

        • Baron Von J
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          92 months ago

          Lemmy sits a bit apart from the rest in that it doesn’t quite work for direct person-to-person interaction. Following Lemmy discussions on Mastodon is possible but clunky and Lemmy doesn’t quite know how to quiet all the @ mentions and things in comments made from Mastodon so they look really loud/busy. I can see Lemmy communities from Firefish but I don’t see any of the posts/comments (maybe I have to follow one first?). I’ve never tried following Lemmy from Pixelfed.

          But each of those platforms has a different UI. The experience and features posting media on Pixelfed is much different. But I still have to setup a separate Pixelfed instance account if I want to make use of them. And my data will thus be spread across those instances. And people will need to follow both the Mastodon and Pixelfed accounts if they want to see both sets of posts. I’d love to just hat the one identity to manage with my content from all platforms associated with it.

          • Baron Von J
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            12 months ago

            You can’t follow Mastodon users from Lemmy. You can view their profiles, but messaging them doesn’t seem to work (I receive no notification of it on Mastodon) and it only shows you the comments they made on Lemmy rather than all their posts. You can @ mention Mastodon users in Lemmy posts and comments, and that works. And they can follow Lemmy communities and their replies show up in the post comments.

          • abeorch
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            @SynopsisTantilize
            Well Im not entirely sure what will happen using a lemmy account byt try - Grab your Lemmy account and login a client like #Fedilab - Find a Mastodon user and comment or follow them and watch what happens.

            • Baron Von J
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              12 months ago

              There are multiple open issues for Lemmy support in FediLab, I don’t think it’s actually supported right now.

    • @BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one
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      172 months ago

      I second this opinion. The federated applications and communities aren’t perfect, but it’s less toxic and better to use in general due to the lack of an all-encompassing algorithm that guides your usage to increase views for ad revenue.

    • Riskable
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      132 months ago

      Yes but diversity is good 👍

      Why let the Chinese get all the eyeballs for propaganda? Surely we should give other nations a chance?

      IMHO they should shut down every app that is both popular and has an exceedingly difficult to penetrate monopoly. Let the competitors rush in and do a it again when the same situation occurs!

    • @NineMileTower@lemmy.world
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      I have my doubts that any app will collect the user base back together ever again. I may be wrong, but once TikTok is gone, people will splinter to different apps that are nowhere near as popular.

    • @B312@lemmy.world
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      102 months ago

      I wouldn’t really say TikTok is socialist like, but yeah it’s clear it was only banned because they don’t like it and not its harms

    • @misk@sopuli.xyzOP
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      This guy is getting downvoted for truth. TT is the only big media platform that consistently promotes socialist policies and openly attacks western status quo. If there are any truly ideological reasons to ban TT it was because of that. We’re being ruled by the oligarchs and their interests were threatened but let’s not kid ourselves - China has their own who’d happily take their place.