This is just one of the many reasons I have no interest in new cars. If it needs an internet connection then I’m not buying it. There are very few things I need my vehicle to be able to do and having access to internet isn’t one of them. I don’t even like that my truck has automatic wipers - I vastly prefer the traditional ones. Hell, I don’t even need the radio.
Honestly, fuck the whole thing, I’ll take my bike. With blackjack. And hookers.
Honestly, fuck the the bike, it will save you from purchasing a hooker
But then who will I play blackjack with?
Maybe we just throw an ad on the windshield… Like a little one… Off to the side?
The car screen is a nice flat surface to attach the suction cup of your phone mount.
This is why used cars are so dang expensive, it seems like automobile quality has been in a free fall since 2008. The end user experience gets worse while the price goes up.
Love my 2013 Honda. Haven’t driven anything newer
That’s newer then I would go but yeah at least Honda seems to be behind on the complete shit curve.
Enshitification.
Early 2000s jap cars are unkillable, surplus of parts, and are not tracker spyware nests. Great little things for sure. My 90s turboed volvo is a far more temperamental beast, but I cherish her quirks :)
Right now my car is an 84. With a back up 86 truck. I used to have a 2011 subaru, but hit an prairie antelope with it. If I had my pick I think 1990-2008 Japanese cars are the sweet spot.
Aren’t those older cars absolute death traps in collisions compared to the newer ones?
No, The issue is with conceptions of auto safety becoming a selling point. For example look at the single biggest invention in reducing crash fatality? You would think maybe airbags, seat belts or ABS brakes… But nope, collapsible steering columns. But we are now sold “death proof” SUVs that are not really safer, in some ways worse. The issue is that safety devices have a diminishing return but fear is a great selling point, I would say there are old things that are death traps (like square body chevys) and things like saabs that I would say are to this day built safer then new cars. If we look at the data for auto fatalities per capita we can see that car safety has not had some magical jump since the late 80s but a more expected gradual change.
As a side note I do and have done a lot of driving and from what I have seen in the last 20 plus years is a slide into cars that are:
- Top heavy (bigger is not safer)
- Have little to no visibility (that then try to make up for with back up cameras)
- Are built not to avoid crashing but to make crashing more comfortable
- Have limited to no driving feed back and over reliance on things like traction control
- Make driving on the same road with them more dangerous (just look at north american headlights)
At the end of the day I would rather drive a car that I can see out of and has a degree of safety devices (seat belts, collapsible steering column, working brakes) then something that is built like a living room on low profile tires that I will at some point crash. Bonus points if it does not explode or catch fire easily (think pintos or teslas).
Everyone with the new LED headlights that feel painfully illegal in my eye sockets - they are the bane of my morning commute.
I remember as a kid there was a test where you parked in a spot and there where lines on a wall to check your light alignment. This was just a thing that was done, even sometimes by police on the roadside. Now? Fuck you and your retinas I guess, I don’t think a single new vehicle would pass that test today.
Yes, But this is my point. You are sharing a video from “CAR TV” who’s tag line is “Watch New Model Cars With Pleasure 🎬” Its very much selling the idea that newer is safer, but the data only shows a slight increase in safety (and nothing on rate of crashes old vs new). In the video they show the two cars crashing but no data at all, the 1998 one from what I can see looks non fatal (seatbelt held, engine block not in lap, steering wheel not impaling chest) but not only do they say “The test showed the driver of the older Corolla would likely have died as a result of the 64km/h collision” they also don’t show that data. Even when looking for sources I get almost no where, this stinks.
Oh and in the little write up they say “ROAD safety experts have renewed calls for drivers to get behind the wheel of newer cars after an unprecedented crash test revealed shocking results.” Why do they write ROAD in all caps? Is this a special interest group? A lobbyist? No idea I can’t even check since there are no sources!
I am not saying newer cars don’t have more safety built in, I am saying its a matter of finding what level you are comfortable in and to not get suckered into needless fear over your cars safety rating while the average driver does not even maintain their car’s brakes.
…not get suckered into needless fear over your cars safety rating while the average driver does not even maintain their car’s brakes.
Personally if my brakes are fucked I want all the other safety features I can get.
Guess I wont stop then. Kids crossing the road? Too bad, I don’t wanna see the ads just because you have to get to the other side…
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What’s really funny is that the only thing I even know about Barbara Streisand is that picture.
The Streisand Effect has immortalized her to a whole new generation.
I don’t understand how this is related to the Streisand Effect. The Streisand Effect is when you try to suppress unflattering info about yourself, and in the process you call attention to it, so now everyone knows. But we didn’t learn about this through Jeep trying to suppress the info, we just learned about it from people who saw the ads.
That is the photo Barbara Streisand attempted to have removed from the internet, the effeft gets its name from this event and photo.
Right, but… what does it have to do with Jeeps showing in-car advertisements?
Welcome to lemmy comments. Someone else incorrectly mentioned the Streisand effect so this guy decided to be cheeky and post just the photo.
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Now people will even more inclined to not stop when needed…
Stop 👏 Buying 👏 New 👏 Shit 👏
I could run a whole community on how to recycle, reuse, repurpose. Why the hell are people buying new cars?!
Make that community. I’ll join up.
Yup. Keeping old cars going on fossil fuels is so much better than millions of new cars being built every year, and in order for them to be built they ship them around the world to seperate facilities. I could go on and on
Because I’ve seen what people do with their vehicles. I bought my car new 13 years ago and I’ve been able to make sure it’s been properly maintained the entire time and no one else’s crud is all over the interior. I intend to keep it until it falls apart. Prior to that I had a truck I bought used and got maybe 5 years out of it before the transmission died with only medium mileage. I had maintained it but who knows what the person before me did with it.
That said if nothing changes with all this touchscreen infotainment shit I don’t know what I’ll do. I’ve hated every new vehicle I’ve been in the last few years.
Are they adding this shit to cars that didn’t do that already?
Lol! Imagine in 5pm traffic!..
Broom! Broom!
Stop!
Hey! You driving! The university of Phoenix has a degree just for you!
Go!
Stop!
And wells Fargo can help! Our loans are only 8% Apr!
Go!
Stop!
Pah pah pah pah…I’m loving it! At McDonalds we brought back the stegosaur burger! PST! Its actually crock!
Go!..
Note to self: Don’t buy a Jeep.
Note to self: Don’t buy a Jeep.
And if the only way you remember that is by a strong hook and bass line, I’ve got you covered.
I dunno man. Harrison Ford made it sound like it was more rewarding than raising children and more important than world peace. You gonna turn your back on what seems to be something more fulfilling to Harrison Ford than religion just because it’s an inferior product and it’s pushing ads in your face like a free playstore game?
I completely crossed off all GM cars due to lack of CarPlay. I am boycotting Tesla. I don’t trust BMW because they tried to make heated seats a subscription. Now Jeep and Stellantis?
I’m on year 9 of my 10 year car plan. Current vehicle is supposed to become the kidmobile and I planned on a new one.
I won’t buy a new car though. If I do replace mine, it will be a used, unconnected car. I am so tired of iPads on wheels.
my 2008 BMW is the last without a computer screen and none of that stupid knob and I had to seek it out but it was absolutely worth it. Bonus that I can actually work on the car my self!
I think cars peaked ca. 2010. Anything added after that are annoyances or things being taken away.
If I could get a brand new facelift E90, that would probably be my next car.
Japanese manufacturers are not perfect but seem to be the least interested in doing this kind of anti-consumer nonsense, at least for now. I have been happy with every Mazda I’ve owned in the last decade (3 in total) for what it’s worth.
I just wish Mazda had a good EV. Their EVs just aren’t that good at the moment. I leased a BMW iX a few months ago, but my old car (which I still have) is a 2012 Mazda 3. Love the EV experience and I don’t think I’ll buy a gas powered car ever again.
Any pure EV from Mazda is actually a rebadged Chinese car but I forget which brand. It’s basically the only way Mazda could sell EVs in China and that’s what they offer to the European market as well. In North America, I know we only have the PHEV variants but no EV only.
Yup, Toyota has been solid for me. Though admittedly, they’re also one of the worst in regards to data privacy; You should assume that every single thing you do in a Toyota is being recorded and sent back to a Toyota server for ad/tracking purposes.
Lol what? Ur car got internet?
Just pull the OnStar /gps fuseMost cars have a SIM card with a very basic data/phone service. In many jurisdictions, it’s a legal requirement for cars to have a button to call emergency services, so they need phone connectivity for that. It’s also used for software updates, map updates, and of course, data collection.
Holy crap I feel old now. Since when? I’m still driving a car without a touch screen, and that’s never going to change.
I’m not sure how long.
My older car (2012 Mazda 3) didn’t have a touch screen. I replaced the radio with a touch screen Pioneer one that supports Android Auto. I’d definitely recommend doing that! It’s nice having Google Maps on an older car. The third-party radios tend to be better than the OEM ones (they have to be, otherwise nobody would buy them) and I don’t think Pioneer does data collection of any sort.
Mercedes also includes a number of items as a subscription in some countries. Some stuff is app related. Others are things like getting full use of your rear-steering wheels and unlocking extra horsepower.
Something to consider…
Elon may be going down a conservative rabbit hole these days, but this is the sort of thing Tesla would never ever ever do. And things like using the telematic system to sell your location and speed to insurance companies. Never happened on a Tesla. You may not like the guy, but the cars are fucking solid.
Oh, he’s just going down a rabbit hole! He’s going on a cute little adventure where he does a fucking Nazi salute in front of the whole country, then proceeds to recklessly dismantle huge parts of the US government, but it’s all just part of his magical little journey! Teehee!
then proceeds to recklessly dismantle
huge parts ofthe US governmentJust give him a few more weeks.
Tesla’s have their own privacy issues, and build quality issues . Tesla’s staff have been caught spying on their customers and sharing sensitive images of people .
That practice was halted and now the vehicle video is under MUCH stricter control with an option to not share any of it at all.
Given the choice, I’d rather have some Tesla employee joking about what I park next to than Tesla Inc selling my driving data to insurance companies like most other automakers do…Believing any of that means trusting President Elon Musk. I certainly don’t
the cars are fucking solid.
Try driving through a car wash without activating “car wash mode”. 😂
I’ve done it. I think it might have opened the charge port or something. What do you think happens?
Rainbow road mode is a bitch
Tesla? You mean the Ford Pinto of EVs?? https://www.rawstory.com/cybertruck-2671127676/
Doesn’t Tesla lock larger battery capacity begging a paywall?
That was from years ago.
Tesla used to sell cars rated by pack capacity. For example the ‘P85D’ was the performance model, 85 kWh pack, dual motor.
There was also a 40 kWh (cheaper) and 60 kWh version.
After a while they stopped building 40 kWh packs and just software-locked the 60 kWh pack to only have 40 kWh of usable capacity. I think for a while they offered an upgrade where you could pay to unlock the extra capacity.I don’t think they’ve done that in some time. I know when I bought my car (model y long range) they didn’t even advertise the pack capacity nor was any upgrade offered. The only paywall thing I’ve seen with Tesla is FSD and they’re pretty transparent about that. I don’t think they’re awful for paywalling it, because if they build the car without the FSD hardware it won’t have other safety systems like lane departure notification.
This only applies to GM EVs. Friend has a 2025 ICE Chevy which has both AA and CarPlay. Still dumb that the EVs don’t have it though.
To be honest, I would just get an old car and fit a tablet into it
Toyotas are still good
I am still awaiting my first map update to my nav system that has free lifetime map updates, my truck will be 10 this year.
Toyota Sales here Boy do I have some BMW Heated seat subscription crap to sell you
(Its not quite as bad as BMW. But one thing that really irks customers is the remote starter is restricted to a subscription service. unless you’re one of the lucky ones who got a vehicle that installed the wrong part/fuses. in which case you can still remote start your car with the fob. its still very finnicky)
Yeah that remote start subscription really pissed me off. If i could confirm a way to give them even less data i would.
I heard the new 2025 model wallops you in the bollocks every time you pull the parking brake.
FAKE NEWS!!! Why would you want to pull an ancient lever mechanism if you can do it in a few taps on the touch screen. Sure, unless you have a premium subscription, you’ll have to watch a short video from our partners, tailored individually just for you.
Imagine pulling up to a red light, checking your GPS for directions, and suddenly, the entire screen is hijacked by an ad. That’s the reality for some Stellantis owners. Instead of seamless functionality, drivers are now forced to manually close out of ads just to access basic vehicle functions.
Oh HELLLLL no. I hope my 2012 Subaru will last until I’m either dead or too old to drive. I don’t even want to have these damn screens for the usual shit you have to do on them. I want to be able to do everything with physical controls, no eavesdropping, and no dependence on a fucking app or touchscreen to operate anything in my car! I will drive my car while wearing mittens! shakes fist
Classic cars my man.
Aw yeah, 14mpg, two distinct oil leaks, and cabins full of mold because the vintage weather strips failed forty years ago. (I drive a late 90s pickup and am acutely aware of the tradeoffs that come with older cars, even ones that are maintained relatively well.)
Worth it, when the alternative is ads
So does this mean I can stop hearing about stupid “Jeep Culture” bullshit now?
People can like jeeps bro calm down
Cool. What does that have to do with the whole “Jeep Culture” thing?
It means you dont need to shit on a random interest. What did rock crawlers and off-roaders do to you?
Be as interested in Jeeps as you like.
Saying you’re part of a culture because you bought something (especially something prohibitively expensive) is not something I will do anything but mock.
I don’t hear about “Mercedes Culture” or “Nissan Culture.” Probably because people way into those cars understand that it isn’t a culture just to be into a car.
I find it weird in general when people compliment things that i had nothing to do with. Like: nice tattoo. Thanks, i sat there for a bit and then it was done. I had a girlfriend who treated her car like she designed and build it herself. I even made a joke once where i said exactly that and je just cold heatedly said: she does that too. Like if someone would insult her car, she would take that very personally.
Reducing peoples interests to consumerism is your culture i guess.
If i buy a mountain bike is my culture a mountain biker? How often do i have to ride to be justified in thay belief? How often do i have to post online about bikes? How many hours of youtube do i need to watch of mountain biking?
Jeeps do things normal passenger vehicles dont and people creating a community of interest on that basis is valid.
If you call mountain biking a culture, I’ll mock you for that too. Because it’s a hobby and a sport, not a culture.
Something isn’t a culture just because you and your friends want to base your identities around it.
I’m way into Star Trek. If I ever heard another Trekkie talk about “Trekkie Culture,” I’d have to resist the urge to slap them.
Now you’re just being pedantic. If you’re while argument was based on the usage of the word “culture” i think you could have made that point more clear lol.
Obviously you were talking about the validity of assembling for the interest of the Jeep brand.
For a professional lemming your performance hasnt been stellar this morning.
I’ve not heard of Jeep culture, myself, so now I’m going to imagine a colony of asexually-reproducing microscopic Jeeps in a Petri dish.
Today, O Squid, you have broadened my imagination beyond yesterday.
I would have much greater interest in microscopic Jeeps that could reproduce. I probably wouldn’t even mock them. Unless they were jerks.
