You don’t need to add “-like”, The Verge. This fits the definition of malware.
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brave browser
Weird way to spell Firefox
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I find it ironical when a huge company diverts efforts into aggressive marketing instead of improving the product itself, it feels like a loss-loss
And it’s pissing users like me off. I have one laptop for work and one for home. My work laptop has a professional work profile and for some of the programs I’m required to use I need Microsoft apps like edge and office. As a result I get these popups non stop when opening edge. I also am not an administrator on the work laptop so I literally cannot just decide to upgrade from windows 10 to Windows 11. If the damn thing would stop blocking my work flow with full page ads, that would be awesome.
The fucking bing bar pop-up!!
My personal laptop updated itself from 10 to 11, and 11 is infuriating. Never mind the pop ups and ads, the whole thinf just sucks. This was just the extra bit of incentive that I needed to switch back to Linux Mint. Thanks, MS!
Just a reminder that if you’re using Windows, it’s not your property but Microsoft’s one
Right but licenses for pro are £200 RRP.
Don’t then beg me to use your services, just fuck off and let me use Windows how I want
No different than Chrome.
They’re talking windows in general
This goes for both chrome and bing: If a service is free, you are the product.
If a service is free, you are the product.
Linux?
Perhaps a better statement would be, if a for profit service is free, you are the product. Obviously it’s possible for someone to make free stuff if they want to, but if someone is making money from you using something, but you aren’t paying them, then they’re making that money by selling someone else access to you.
Linux is just an advertisement to contribute to open source
You are the tester lol
True for Windows as well. Ever upgraded to a new version before the first SP? Linux just gets upgrades a lot faster than Windows (and I mean the conservative distros like Debian. Bleeding-edge distros are on a completely other level).
Don’t even need to upgrade, you get to test monthly if you’re not brave enough to hang a month behind.
Microsoft have been known to ship a product with thousands of known bugs on its release date. In the networking space (Windows NT), there were Technet CDs that were released to fix all manner of known bugs just so the corporates wouldn’t have to wait for a Service Pack
While both companies are predatory I would never use Edge because its so bad and bloated its not even funny.
I want the old Edge (pre-Chromium) back. It is the best EPUB reader. Simple yet elegant. Sad they doesn’t bring it back.
Why not just use Calibre?
Calibre performance is worst then the old Edge in term of loading time. The old Edge loads almost instantly. Plus the interface is more user friendly then Calibre.
Edge is just Chromium now.
Always has been.
Edge is better than Chrome. Which isn’t that hard these days…
Really? I have tested Edge on other people’s pc long time ago. Whats your opinion on it.
I daily edge at work because I just wanted to and I like how it integrates with our domain. It’s fine, but I did have to spend some time turning off weird things like price trackers or whatever it was.
I still use Firefox at home though.
I use firefox all the time but I get random freezes and stutters when I’m watching YouTube. Is it because of the number of addons I have?
Run Firefox with all add-ons disabled for a baseline check.Then turn on/off hardware acceleration in settings
And I feel like that happened really quickly. It doesn’t feel like that long ago that Edge was a nice, nimble browser. Not this bloated naggy beast it is now.
I find Edge better than Chrome at the very least. Granted, I don’t use either as my main options, but between the two Edge seems more responsive and lighter than Chrome (and before anyone misunderstands, I know they both use the same engine, I’m referring to … well, prior to Google, I would have referred to it as the chrome, but can’t really do that now… the application around the engine).
But I already ditched it
Nothing Microsoft does is good. Nothing google does is good.
Choose an alternative that values you.
I don’t even value me, no corporation gives a crap. They want you and your recurrent income.
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I want you and your recurrent income.
So don’t go with a mainstream option.
This “solution” completely ignores the volumes of software that is still only compatible with Windows. This is exactly the belief that Microsoft wants you to have: the illusion that you have a choice between Windows and other, equal alternatives. And before someone starts spouting off about WINE: it truly is a wonderful piece of software, and I don’t mean to disparage any of its talented contributors, but it will likely never even approach feature parity with Windows. I mean, it still can’t run the industry standard 3D modeling program.
I’m aware of the pitfalls.
I think that compared to video games, productive softwares, especially “industry standard” ones, rely more on Windows APIs at much more accuracy (and since Wine and its forks such as Proton have to rely on black-box reverse engineering to avoid copyright infringement), the API calls may not have the exact values 100% of the time which is more tolerable to videos games but much less on productive softwares.
Another reason is that most of these softwares unlike most video games are likely using many Windows’ quirks or bugs and are likely less using standard (such as WinUI, DirectX,…) or cross platform toolkit (Qt, GTK,…), making reimplementing the environments and libraries to run the softwares much harder.
Oh, and not even counting that many of those softwares may also use kernel-level DRMs which Wine/Proton/Crossover/… are only userspace level to prevent pirates. This was actually a problem in video games too when many video games, mostly multiplayer ones implement kernel level anticheats or DRMs, until Valve contacted the anticheat/DRM developer as well as the release and popular of the Steam Deck make developers care more about Wine/Proton compatibility, but even then there are some developers still don’t implement Wine/Proton compatibility or even worse ban Linux users for circumvent the artificial incompatibility.
This is always brought up but it isn’t actually that relevant. The 3D modeling profession is very small, hundreds of millions of general purpose computer users have no need for Microsoft.
I was confused as well because the industry standard (Maya) natively supports Linux. Until I looked up Solidworks and realized we’re talking about 2 different 3d modeling/design fields.
The problem is that Linux’s user experience is simply not good enough for normal users.
It’s absolutely correct to blame Microsoft and Google. But Linux also needs to do more to appeal to non-tech people.
That’s probably not going to happen
Which is why we’re still stuck with Windows…
There’s always macOS.
Apple also doesn’t care about you. It’s also overpriced.
What part of the $1299 MacBook Pro and iMac, the $999 MacBook Air, or the $599 Mac Mini is over priced?
You would struggle to find the power of those for lower prices, especially with the quality and support Apple provides. And it’s nearly impossible to find hardware like that with full Linux support.
I’m holding onto hope actually. I recently started dual-bootung into Mint and the installation process was a breeze. The only thing I could imagine a “typical” user finding difficult is setting up the flash drive for booting/installation. The UI is nice and familiar too. As a Linux newbie I hear that Mint is basically Ubuntu, and that (modern) Ubuntu is hot garbage, but even if it caused my computer to take an actual shit on the floor, it still beats Windows by a country mile.
I think (perhaps too optimistically) that with some more awareness we could see a fairly sizeable migration.
Why do you think it’s hot garbage?
I didn’t mean to make it seem like I had any opinion either way, just that it has received some hate over the years. I did some research - admittedly it was cursory - and it looks like the issues are somewhat exaggerated.
Canonical, it seems, has made a number of poor decisions but apparently they pay attention to user complaints and revert / make adjustments accordingly. Some of the controversial things I saw were related to the Snap package manager, possible telemetry, bloatware, and some partnership with Amazon.
Some of those things were either nothingburgers or simply overblown (one person said the only thing they could see as bloatware was… a few board games), so I would take their anecdotes with a grain of salt.
Again, I’m a relative idiot when it comes to Linux, but my takeaway is that Ubuntu suffers from the typical growing pains / compromises that a relatively popular OS will inevitably encounter. Especially when most of the Linux userbase consists of power users who prefer having complete control (which is perfectly fair too!)
Use whatever distro fits your needs; as long as you ditch Microsoft, you’re making a good choice :)
I too am curious. I see this often here on Lemmy, that Ubuntu is shitty. I’m wondering why.
I will say they keep fucking up the window manager, and I personally always have to go and manually install unity. Which is annoying.
But other than that, I don’t see it as shitty. What am I missing?
Well, there is a transition away from X because it’s old, but wayland is still new. People are having issues. So, just use X, I say?
Other than that, it’s the most popular distro (or a forked version of it).
Buuuuut yes, a lot of “preference” comes down to the interface.
Mint is good I hear. I’d be more interested in Pop, myself.
With the way the average person uses a computer, the Linux user experience would probably melt their brains. No offense to the average computer user, but we have seen time and time again that they are not the brightest when it comes to tech literacy or just don’t care and refuse to care since it goes against the grain, so to speak.
Hi, average user here, I’ve been daily driving Linux (primarily Ubuntu) for a decade or more. Most of my life in a computer is spent in a web browser, word document, or maybe a spreadsheet. Even at my office job it’s the same, except for some proprietary time tracking and billing software. I’d imagine 90 percent of consumers spend the vast majority of their time on computers in the web browser. Most people don’t mess around with much beyond that.
I just don’t understand what is lacking in the Linux user experience. It’s not any different from a Windows user learning to use a Mac computer. Figure out how to connect to wifi, figure out how to mess with the volume, open a browser and that’s it.
I’m sorry, but I kind of doubt you are what I consider a “normal user”, seeing as you’re in a technology community on Lemmy. Just the fact that you are here indicates a higher than average tech literacy.
Normal in terms of what they use their computer for
Look at us, all sophisticated over here.
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I’ll settle for one that has a vague indifference to me.
Slackware
Meh gamepass is cool for now. It will probably go up in price and become shitty when they get enough market share but until then it is super cool. And honestly I think bing/edge is now the better choice as a search engine/browser compared to Google/chrome. But no way I will give up my Firefox.
Edge (and that joke Brave) is chromium and that supports google’s control of the web. Firefox, or Safari on a Mac, don’t use google’s tech.
Firefox is the best for me. I thought chromium was open source though and not necessarily owned by Google.
Google controls it and allows people to use it so their own browser technology has the market share and can shape the web.
Denying google, a for-profit and evil company to shape a valuable public resource is dangerous.
Linux and Firefox with uBlock Origin.
I mean on one hand, terrible behavior. On the other, good.
I mean, if it’s just a switch to Bing it’s not really any better.
I mean, if it’s just a switch to Bing it’s not really any better.
Search wise? No. Competition wise? Yes.
Google has too much power.
I mean I see your point, but you cold also argue that anything that can weaken a monopoly is a good thing, in the grand scheme of things
Who’s monopoly are we talking about? If that’s the goal then Firefox + DuckDuckGo would be more sensible right?
DuckDuckGo’s search results suck, is there another alternative I can use that gets its indexes from google? I don’t care about censorship
I think Ecosia pulls results from Bing if that’s any better? I use them occasionally but generally prefer DDG.
I use StartPage but it’s incredibly slow.
Of course it would be more sensible, but that was not the point
100% but Microsoft and Google splitting 50 - 50 would be better than the current Google 90 - 9.9 - 0.1 it currently is.
Microsoft really needs an antitrust smackdown with their repeated behavior.
I didn’t think that sort of thing happened anymore
That didn’t work in the 90s.
Or in:
- 2000
- 2002
- 2003
- 2005
- 2008
- 2011
- (2022)
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation
Yes
Kuduos to you doing your HW. :)
It might work if the fine was a couple hundred billion, we can give them a payment plan.
In retrospect, DoJ didn’t go far enough back then and ignored Microsoft’s anti-competitive behavior with BeOS.
Part of it was Reagan massively weakened antitrust law after Ma Bell was broken up.
This is why we can’t have good things.
Ma Bell, the ill communication
Which sucked because BeOS was really good for its time.
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I was so excited to try BeOS back then. I don’t think I ever got my hands on a copy, but it just looked so good.
I got to play with a BeBox for a few hours at a friend’s store and it was pure joy to play with compared to what Apple and Microsoft had to offer.
Looking at the lobbying with the MS-Activision mess, and how broken the government here is. I’m sure they would of gave in.
So does Google though if we’re being honest.
Shouldn’t Apple be the focus of efforts?
Why not both?
I think in reality the Chrome web browser is a huge threat to Internet freedom and should be a top priority.
Well one is trying to crack down on people using adblockers and the other is lobbying governments they don’t pay taxes to so that they are allowed to continue using forced ethnic slavery to make their products.
You think Google is going out of their way to ensure their devices are made in ethical factories?
Microsoft saying “stop using Google” is actually totally fine with me.
But only if they’re saying “go get Firefox.”
If you need more ammunition they recently also changed it so all links in Outlook opens in Edge even if it’s not the default browser. You have to go to settings and find an entirely separate default browser setting to stop it.
I switched to Thunderbird because of that bullshit. It’s getting worse. I’ll be looking for a good Linux distro for my next laptop.
Yes they do!
Joke’s on them, I switched. To Firefox
Well Windows 11 got me to use arch, for which I use btw
Hahahaha perfect
I tried installing arch but it would tell me there’s no such thing as vda or something I looked it up but found no answer so I switched to pop!_OS
Love pop!_OS, Manjaro is a really cool and good fork of Arch that’s easy to install if rolling distributions are something you’re interested in
seems like a good idea to try it out, thanks. :D
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