• @egeres@lemmy.world
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    21 year ago

    I find it ironical when a huge company diverts efforts into aggressive marketing instead of improving the product itself, it feels like a loss-loss

  • @atrielienz@lemmy.world
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    32 years ago

    And it’s pissing users like me off. I have one laptop for work and one for home. My work laptop has a professional work profile and for some of the programs I’m required to use I need Microsoft apps like edge and office. As a result I get these popups non stop when opening edge. I also am not an administrator on the work laptop so I literally cannot just decide to upgrade from windows 10 to Windows 11. If the damn thing would stop blocking my work flow with full page ads, that would be awesome.

  • The Giant Korean
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    92 years ago

    My personal laptop updated itself from 10 to 11, and 11 is infuriating. Never mind the pop ups and ads, the whole thinf just sucks. This was just the extra bit of incentive that I needed to switch back to Linux Mint. Thanks, MS!

  • AbsolutelyNotCats
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    922 years ago

    Just a reminder that if you’re using Windows, it’s not your property but Microsoft’s one

    • @lustrum@sh.itjust.works
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      312 years ago

      Right but licenses for pro are £200 RRP.

      Don’t then beg me to use your services, just fuck off and let me use Windows how I want

      • @MrSnowy@lemmy.ml
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        202 years ago

        They’re talking windows in general

        This goes for both chrome and bing: If a service is free, you are the product.

          • @CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
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            112 years ago

            Perhaps a better statement would be, if a for profit service is free, you are the product. Obviously it’s possible for someone to make free stuff if they want to, but if someone is making money from you using something, but you aren’t paying them, then they’re making that money by selling someone else access to you.

            • GigglyBobble
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              92 years ago

              True for Windows as well. Ever upgraded to a new version before the first SP? Linux just gets upgrades a lot faster than Windows (and I mean the conservative distros like Debian. Bleeding-edge distros are on a completely other level).

              • Unaware7013
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                12 years ago

                Don’t even need to upgrade, you get to test monthly if you’re not brave enough to hang a month behind.

            • @lemme_at_it@lemmy.world
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              Microsoft have been known to ship a product with thousands of known bugs on its release date. In the networking space (Windows NT), there were Technet CDs that were released to fix all manner of known bugs just so the corporates wouldn’t have to wait for a Service Pack

  • @nfsu2@feddit.cl
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    132 years ago

    While both companies are predatory I would never use Edge because its so bad and bloated its not even funny.

    • umami_wasabi
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      42 years ago

      I want the old Edge (pre-Chromium) back. It is the best EPUB reader. Simple yet elegant. Sad they doesn’t bring it back.

        • umami_wasabi
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          02 years ago

          Calibre performance is worst then the old Edge in term of loading time. The old Edge loads almost instantly. Plus the interface is more user friendly then Calibre.

    • Neato
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      02 years ago

      Edge is better than Chrome. Which isn’t that hard these days…

      • @nfsu2@feddit.cl
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        02 years ago

        Really? I have tested Edge on other people’s pc long time ago. Whats your opinion on it.

        • @Phantom3805@lemmy.world
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          22 years ago

          I daily edge at work because I just wanted to and I like how it integrates with our domain. It’s fine, but I did have to spend some time turning off weird things like price trackers or whatever it was.

          I still use Firefox at home though.

          • @Yoru@lemmy.ml
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            12 years ago

            I use firefox all the time but I get random freezes and stutters when I’m watching YouTube. Is it because of the number of addons I have?

            • @lemme_at_it@lemmy.world
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              Run Firefox with all add-ons disabled for a baseline check.Then turn on/off hardware acceleration in settings

    • idotherock
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      82 years ago

      And I feel like that happened really quickly. It doesn’t feel like that long ago that Edge was a nice, nimble browser. Not this bloated naggy beast it is now.

    • pjhenry1216
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      I find Edge better than Chrome at the very least. Granted, I don’t use either as my main options, but between the two Edge seems more responsive and lighter than Chrome (and before anyone misunderstands, I know they both use the same engine, I’m referring to … well, prior to Google, I would have referred to it as the chrome, but can’t really do that now… the application around the engine).

  • TherouxSonfeir
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    832 years ago

    Nothing Microsoft does is good. Nothing google does is good.

    Choose an alternative that values you.

        • @QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world
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          -12 years ago

          This “solution” completely ignores the volumes of software that is still only compatible with Windows. This is exactly the belief that Microsoft wants you to have: the illusion that you have a choice between Windows and other, equal alternatives. And before someone starts spouting off about WINE: it truly is a wonderful piece of software, and I don’t mean to disparage any of its talented contributors, but it will likely never even approach feature parity with Windows. I mean, it still can’t run the industry standard 3D modeling program.

          • @natsume_shokogami@lemmy.world
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            32 years ago

            I think that compared to video games, productive softwares, especially “industry standard” ones, rely more on Windows APIs at much more accuracy (and since Wine and its forks such as Proton have to rely on black-box reverse engineering to avoid copyright infringement), the API calls may not have the exact values 100% of the time which is more tolerable to videos games but much less on productive softwares.

            Another reason is that most of these softwares unlike most video games are likely using many Windows’ quirks or bugs and are likely less using standard (such as WinUI, DirectX,…) or cross platform toolkit (Qt, GTK,…), making reimplementing the environments and libraries to run the softwares much harder.

            Oh, and not even counting that many of those softwares may also use kernel-level DRMs which Wine/Proton/Crossover/… are only userspace level to prevent pirates. This was actually a problem in video games too when many video games, mostly multiplayer ones implement kernel level anticheats or DRMs, until Valve contacted the anticheat/DRM developer as well as the release and popular of the Steam Deck make developers care more about Wine/Proton compatibility, but even then there are some developers still don’t implement Wine/Proton compatibility or even worse ban Linux users for circumvent the artificial incompatibility.

          • @AProfessional@lemmy.world
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            62 years ago

            This is always brought up but it isn’t actually that relevant. The 3D modeling profession is very small, hundreds of millions of general purpose computer users have no need for Microsoft.

            • @Khotetsu@lib.lgbt
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              52 years ago

              I was confused as well because the industry standard (Maya) natively supports Linux. Until I looked up Solidworks and realized we’re talking about 2 different 3d modeling/design fields.

    • @SorteKanin@feddit.dk
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      82 years ago

      The problem is that Linux’s user experience is simply not good enough for normal users.

      It’s absolutely correct to blame Microsoft and Google. But Linux also needs to do more to appeal to non-tech people.

              • TherouxSonfeir
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                -32 years ago

                What part of the $1299 MacBook Pro and iMac, the $999 MacBook Air, or the $599 Mac Mini is over priced?

                You would struggle to find the power of those for lower prices, especially with the quality and support Apple provides. And it’s nearly impossible to find hardware like that with full Linux support.

        • @ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world
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          52 years ago

          I’m holding onto hope actually. I recently started dual-bootung into Mint and the installation process was a breeze. The only thing I could imagine a “typical” user finding difficult is setting up the flash drive for booting/installation. The UI is nice and familiar too. As a Linux newbie I hear that Mint is basically Ubuntu, and that (modern) Ubuntu is hot garbage, but even if it caused my computer to take an actual shit on the floor, it still beats Windows by a country mile.

          I think (perhaps too optimistically) that with some more awareness we could see a fairly sizeable migration.

            • @ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world
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              12 years ago

              I didn’t mean to make it seem like I had any opinion either way, just that it has received some hate over the years. I did some research - admittedly it was cursory - and it looks like the issues are somewhat exaggerated.

              Canonical, it seems, has made a number of poor decisions but apparently they pay attention to user complaints and revert / make adjustments accordingly. Some of the controversial things I saw were related to the Snap package manager, possible telemetry, bloatware, and some partnership with Amazon.

              Some of those things were either nothingburgers or simply overblown (one person said the only thing they could see as bloatware was… a few board games), so I would take their anecdotes with a grain of salt.

              Again, I’m a relative idiot when it comes to Linux, but my takeaway is that Ubuntu suffers from the typical growing pains / compromises that a relatively popular OS will inevitably encounter. Especially when most of the Linux userbase consists of power users who prefer having complete control (which is perfectly fair too!)

              Use whatever distro fits your needs; as long as you ditch Microsoft, you’re making a good choice :)

            • @KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml
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              12 years ago

              I too am curious. I see this often here on Lemmy, that Ubuntu is shitty. I’m wondering why.

              I will say they keep fucking up the window manager, and I personally always have to go and manually install unity. Which is annoying.

              But other than that, I don’t see it as shitty. What am I missing?

              • TherouxSonfeir
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                12 years ago

                Well, there is a transition away from X because it’s old, but wayland is still new. People are having issues. So, just use X, I say?

                Other than that, it’s the most popular distro (or a forked version of it).

                Buuuuut yes, a lot of “preference” comes down to the interface.

                Mint is good I hear. I’d be more interested in Pop, myself.

      • Dizzy Devil Ducky
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        02 years ago

        With the way the average person uses a computer, the Linux user experience would probably melt their brains. No offense to the average computer user, but we have seen time and time again that they are not the brightest when it comes to tech literacy or just don’t care and refuse to care since it goes against the grain, so to speak.

      • @NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
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        142 years ago

        Hi, average user here, I’ve been daily driving Linux (primarily Ubuntu) for a decade or more. Most of my life in a computer is spent in a web browser, word document, or maybe a spreadsheet. Even at my office job it’s the same, except for some proprietary time tracking and billing software. I’d imagine 90 percent of consumers spend the vast majority of their time on computers in the web browser. Most people don’t mess around with much beyond that.

        I just don’t understand what is lacking in the Linux user experience. It’s not any different from a Windows user learning to use a Mac computer. Figure out how to connect to wifi, figure out how to mess with the volume, open a browser and that’s it.

    • @leavemealone@sh.itjust.works
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      Meh gamepass is cool for now. It will probably go up in price and become shitty when they get enough market share but until then it is super cool. And honestly I think bing/edge is now the better choice as a search engine/browser compared to Google/chrome. But no way I will give up my Firefox.

      • TherouxSonfeir
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        62 years ago

        Edge (and that joke Brave) is chromium and that supports google’s control of the web. Firefox, or Safari on a Mac, don’t use google’s tech.

          • TherouxSonfeir
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            32 years ago

            Google controls it and allows people to use it so their own browser technology has the market share and can shape the web.

            Denying google, a for-profit and evil company to shape a valuable public resource is dangerous.

    • NaibofTabr
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      182 years ago

      I mean, if it’s just a switch to Bing it’s not really any better.

      • @RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world
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        22 years ago

        I mean, if it’s just a switch to Bing it’s not really any better.

        Search wise? No. Competition wise? Yes.

        Google has too much power.

      • @ominouslemon@lemm.ee
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        82 years ago

        I mean I see your point, but you cold also argue that anything that can weaken a monopoly is a good thing, in the grand scheme of things

        • idotherock
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          42 years ago

          Who’s monopoly are we talking about? If that’s the goal then Firefox + DuckDuckGo would be more sensible right?

          • @Yoru@lemmy.ml
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            12 years ago

            DuckDuckGo’s search results suck, is there another alternative I can use that gets its indexes from google? I don’t care about censorship

            • idotherock
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              12 years ago

              I think Ecosia pulls results from Bing if that’s any better? I use them occasionally but generally prefer DDG.

          • @Darorad@lemmy.world
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            12 years ago

            100% but Microsoft and Google splitting 50 - 50 would be better than the current Google 90 - 9.9 - 0.1 it currently is.

    • @Yoru@lemmy.ml
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      22 years ago

      I tried installing arch but it would tell me there’s no such thing as vda or something I looked it up but found no answer so I switched to pop!_OS

      • @UnPassive@lemmy.world
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        22 years ago

        Love pop!_OS, Manjaro is a really cool and good fork of Arch that’s easy to install if rolling distributions are something you’re interested in