The latest Edge Canary version started disabling Manifest V2-based extensions with the following message: “This extension is no longer supported. Microsoft Edge recommends that you remove it.” Although the browser turns off old extensions without asking, you can still make them work by clicking “Manage extension” and toggling it back (you will have to acknowledge another prompt).
At this point, it is not entirely clear what is going on. Google started phasing out Manifest V2 extensions in June 2024, and it has a clear roadmap for the process. Microsoft’s documentation, however, still says “TBD,” so the exact dates are not known yet. This leads to some speculating about the situation being one of “unexpected changes” coming from Chromium. Either way, sooner or later, Microsoft will ditch MV2-based extensions, so get ready as we wait for Microsoft to shine some light on its plans.
Another thing worth noting is that the change does not appear to be affecting Edge’s stable release or Beta/Dev Channels. For now, only Canary versions disable uBlock Origin and other MV2 extensions, leaving users a way to toggle them back on. Also, the uBlock Origin is still available in the Edge Add-ons store
Fancy firefox-based browser along the lines of Arc?
Worth a look if you’re a web power-user / developer sort of person
I use love the mod feature
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It’s desktop-only right now and feels like for the foreseeable future. Firefox sync works between Zen and Firefox so you can just run Firefox or one of the Android-specific versions of Firefox that support the generic/vanilla firefox sync.
I was thinking of maybe trying it for a few specific websites that I keep persistently on since I think it may work well for that. However, I was a bit concerned that logins and stuff won’t sync which might make it annoying. Having this sync seems pretty cool though, might try it out.
Honestly this has been my daily driver for the past 6 months or so.
I really like it. The aesthetics are really modern, while still maintaining all the things I like about firefox.
Zen’s glance feature allows you to view links without actually opening them.
I do not like the wording of this because you are opening it
Nonsense, you’re not opening them! You’re fetching them for viewing. It’s totally different!
Yeah, viewing a link without opening it is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
You just viewed a link without opening it.
I was concerned, but it’s not Wiki style.
It’s just a fancy skin for modal windows. It pops open over 70% of the screen front and center.
Personally. I find tabs more useful, but haven’t fully switched over from Firefox yet so I haven’t looked into disabling it.
Firefox based. Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I’mma give this a try.
Why is there a sidebar for tabs? That seems wasteful for all the screen space it takes.
Edit: From what I see it tries to do everything that is a job of a window manager/desktop environment. There are various solutions to have workspaces, etc. that you can use globally, so I don’t understand why would anyone use this, unless you are on locked system like Windows or Mac.
I’ve looked it up and apparently there’s a problem where if you open a new window with any amount of tabs and close it last, you will lose all your tabs on the first window. It’s a big no for me, because I already had to restore last opened windows in Firefox many times, and I am pretty sure you previously could just press
CTRL+SHIFT+Tand it did reopen them, although I might misremember things.Just discovered them yesterday and made the switch!
How painless is it to carry over everything from Firefox?
Was super easy but my setup is pretty minimal.
Export bookmarks from Firefox, install favourite addons in the Floorp extension menu and lastly import bookmarks.
Most of the settings will be familiar and some features will be new like the workspaces and sidebar.
Hope your transfer goes smoothly!
Did they fix the issue of their license partially closed? Or is it still the same
Yes, actually, they made the source available again.
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oh look at that. It’s ‘chromium based browsers are garbage o’clock.’
Librewolf on desktop Mull on Android
I don’t suggest Librewolf for the plebians though.
It comes with very aggressive anti-fingerprinting and privacy features.
For people in !technology@lemmy.world that’s less of a problem but I wouldn’t suggest it to my family members.
Regular Android Firefox has Ublock origins as well.
DivestOS has ceased maintaining Mull if I remember correctly. I use Ironfox on Android now.
Mull is not maintained anymore. However there is a fork called IronFox.
Well shit… Thanks for the heads up!
No problem!
What’s the advantage over regular Firefox?
Firefox is in the process of enshittifying.
You can think of it as a mobile version of LibreWolf. Strict security settings are default and Mozilla’s telemetry is disabled/removed. Also unlike regular Firefox, you can download it from F-Droid (currently you need their repo but it’ll be added officially soon, probably).
Are they doing their own development or are they still mostly reliant on Mozilla? The thing with all these forks is that I doubt they’d be able to continue development if Mozilla were to disappear, since they still rely heavily on Mozilla.
They are reliant. These forks are basically tweaked Firefox.
Yeah, FIrefox is a huge code base. If Mozilla disappears, some big developer group must take over the flag. Otherwise with only community effort, the development would be slowed down.
Right, you don’t need extensions, because you don’t need customization, because what you need is what we the corp say you need.
I think Web as it exists is a failed branch of evolution.
A networked (solved) hypertext (solved) document (solved) system - yes. A networked hypertext system with one or two unbelievably complex clients, where only enormous corps have enough resources to change something, - no. One can add steps - E2E encryption, dynamic services, scripts, all not requiring a monolithic piece of nonsense.
BTW, those hating Flash, I hope, do realize that its proper, paradigm-abiding replacement would be a FOSS plugin with similar goal, not what we have.
I feel similarly. Javascript was made to add some functionality to documents and now we’re basically running Doom in a word professor. I don’t know what a better system would look like, but I’d draw a line between document-type pages and pages that you want to do more on.
For flash I think you’re describing Ruffle
No, Ruffle is an alternative interpreter. I mean an alternative, FOSS, technology.
What’s Edge?
They get you really close but stop just before finishing.
🥵
The browser you use to download Firefox
The browser you use to download Firefox
Huh? Just type
winget install Mozilla.Firefoxinto PowerShell / cmd.
The thing you use once to download firefox, and then never again.
a chromium skin
You don’t Edge?
Mine Linux don’t have it
Let me help you:
flatpak install flathub com.microsoft.Edge
Why would you do this to him
Because the best sort of shit post is one that’s also informative!
Yeah, if you didn’t see that writing on the wall you need your eyes testing.
No Chrome browser will be maintained to keep using Manifest V2.
Use Firefox.
Mozilla sucks as well
We’re truly doomed
Nooo, it is browser on my workplace! How should I work efficiently without uBlock!?!?
The new manifest v3 version is actually not that bad, though not nearly as good as normal ublock.
❤️
My work insists on using it too. Fuck knows why, maybe it’s a security thing? And my personal laptop is constantly nagging me to use edge - it could be the best browser ever and I would still avoid it just because of the pushiness.
It’s a good Chromium based Windows native browser that has integration with your Entra ID account so all your bookmarks / history is automatically synced and users have seamless experience when switching devices. No longer seeing tickets like ″My bookmarks are gone after I reinstalled my PC″ is enough to consider Edge as your company main browser. And the fact that it is part of OS, you do not need to worry about install and patching.
I prefer Firefox, but from Chromium browsers Edge is really good, you cannot expect companies to suggest something like Vivaldi.
This is for companies being in M365 ecosystem. If you are in Google then I suppose Chrome would make more sense.
Yeah, that’s fair, I thought it would probably be something like that. TBF it’s work, they’re paying me, I’ll use whatever they choose. I won’t have it on my own computer though just because of Microsoft’s hard sell
Exactly that
Tell IT and your boss how your productivity tanked since edge disabled uBlock.
🤭yea, and what are we gonna do against it?
We manage everything with azure group policies (therefore use all microsoft). we don’t want an extra system to manage the browser of the employees. Maybe corporations are save from that just a while longer than private user 🤔
Intune can manage Firefox add-ons btw, no need to use any extra systems.
Of course, but extra work is required for third party browsers vs just using windows built in browser designed to be managed using entraID / intune.
Companies don’t like to pay extra.
It’s no different than controlling add-ons via GPO like we did in the old days of on-prem. No extra cost associated.
Tell that to oir IT partner that we outsourced our IT to…
Your outsourced IT provider charges for simple configuration changes? That’s a yikes from me. I worked in MSPs for years and those sort of changes were always covered in the standard contract.
Click on all the ads and install all the malware. That will teach them.
This might actually reverse firefox’s decline in userbase at least in the business world. Any shop that already has multi-OS management could probably insta-switch to firefox, and i’m sure that MS locked-in places could too given enough of a push by IT.
I saw one guy from my it team use a browser without adblock. Please send help
So, unironically, I do plan to request Firefox with uBlock Origin as a reasonable accomodation for my ADHD if I’m not able to use it at a job in the future. Banner ads are genuinely distracting and I have a real disability that makes them worse for me.
Less browsing of news articles?
I work in research and development, I have to constantly search the web for stuff
Me and my colleagues in tech call it the ‘Granny Browser’.
Either use Firefox/UBlock Origin or Brave. Brave’s native adblock is good enough you don’t need add-ons.
I dont know why people keep recommending brave.
its a fucking scummy fucking browser that has a history of stealing money, hijacking referal codes (like honey just got in deep trouble over), installing unnecessary software without consent and more.
Are you implying the crypto-bro browser with connections to a billionaire that runs the largest corporate intelligence agency in the world may not be the best choice of browser? That’s not the sort of attitude that generates value for the shareholders.
Because it’s a good product.
My friends who are less tech literate swear by brave. I think it’s the way they market their browser… Some of Brave’s core audience don’t want to install a third party extension for adblock (either they don’t like third party or they just don’t know they can do it in other browsers)
Also on opening a new tab, they show the stats of how much data they saved and how much ads it blocked. Some people like seeing the number grow.
All this is my speculation. There may be some other reason for it being this popular.
If it’s being heavily marketed, that’s a red flag.
There may be some other reason for it being this popular.
Because it just works fine and block ads by default, maybe? A wild guess, I know. /s
My friends who are less tech literate swear by brave
I am entirely unshocked that people who don’t know shit, swear by bad products and scams.
They really only recommend it because the average joe doesn’t need to install UBO on it, I also removed it after the VPN service controversy.
I dont know why people keep recommending brave.
Because it’s good.
its a fucking scummy fucking browser that has a history of stealing money, hijacking referal codes (like honey just got in deep trouble over), installing unnecessary software without consent and more.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
If you want to use the browser despite those controversies then that’s your choice, but be honest enough to admit they exist.
I don’t use brave and haven’t for a long time, but these things are well documented.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/brave-browser-the-bad-and-the-ugly/
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/brave-affiliate-links-autocomplete
These are negligible or even non-issues and it’s not like Mozilla didn’t have its fair share of controversies as well. In no way they are “better”, whatever this means.
Yeah, I peeked at your moderation history after posting, it’s OK, I see now this is the best I could have expected in answer. Good day to you!
Hes the kind of person that gets haughty and arrogant over warnings to be safe.
and the first person to start crying about “how did this happen, how could anybody let this happen, why didnt anyone stop this from happening!” the second they are personally fucked over by ignoring the repeated warnings they were given.
Microsoft is a spineless removed.
It’s the biggest one still federated with .world with that filter.
It’s more that .ml is the biggest instance with that filter that will show up on .world, the biggest instance overall. So statistically, unless they are specifically looking at instances with automatic slur post filtering, this is the situation they will notice it in. They aren’t seeing the content differently, the removed is happening at the post so it’s the same experience for everybody.
Removed? What could the comment possibly say in this context that would warrant removal?
God, .ml manages to be the worst parts of both shitlib civility bullshit and tankie bullshit.
People actually use that thing?
Edge is actually pretty decent. Native vertical tabs, M365 SSO integration, native multiple profiles with quick switching, preinstalled on your work computer and will work with anything that “only works in chrome”
Obviously this is ignoring the obvious downsides such as assisting Microsoft’s search, browser and platform monopolies, tracking data sent to Microsoft, etc. etc.
It’s the number one browser to download other browsers, so yeah, sure!
It’s nice to use a browser which doesn’t depend of extensions to block ads.
I had a feeling this would happen. I have to use Google services for a lot of things at work and Edge works fine with them. Firefox usually does okay, but not always. And now Firefox is requiring you to hand over your data to them.
Can any Chromium-based browser refuse to turn on V3 or is it too baked-in without forking the entire project?
And now Firefox is requiring you to hand over your data to them.
If you’re talking about the most recent news about the Terms of Service, that is a gross misreading of what they said.
And now Firefox is requiring you to hand over your data to them.
If you’re talking about the recent news, that’s not what the updated privacy notice says.
Mozilla will be adding opt in LLM functionality to Firefox. It can use third party LLM providers. The privacy has been updated to say “btw, any info you give to this LLM will be processed by the LLM by a third party.” I.e. the LLM provider has the data once you send it to them.
That’s not what that Firefox thing was about at all.
I imagine so, but the technical burden is at risk of growing over time as the upstream chromium may significantly deviate from or remove some of the functionality.
IIRC Vivaldi and Brave promised to prolong it for a year.
Test-driving them both now.
Lol Microsoft really using their browser market share effectively
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Brave will support it until it becomes inconvenient or difficult to do so as the Chromium base keeps moving. The more time goes on, the more work it’ll be for Brave to maintain this forked functionality.
My guess is at some point Brave will discontinue V2 and say “just use the Brave inbuilt adblocker”.
Regardless, Brave have their own skeletons in the closet… crypto, the Windows installer installing other Brave applications during browser install without consent (that one is straight up malware behaviour. Reminds me of the days of software installing Internet Explorer toolbars without consent), injecting their affiliate links when nobody asked, a CEO who donated money to homophobic causes more than once.
E: my above theory was correct, sort of:
We will keep Manifest v2 for as long as it’s still available in Chromium. We expect to drop support in June 2025, but we may maintain it longer or be forced to drop support for it sooner, depending on the precise nature of the changes to the code.
They are only committing to enabling the disabled Mv2 code in Chromium. Once it’s removed altogether, Brave probably won’t bother keeping it and maintaining it. Basically, if you want Mv2, only Firefox and its derivatives are committed to keeping it.
None of these small browsers can make significant changes to the original project. A browser nowadays is a super complex bloated thing that requires too much resources to maintain. If even M$ abandoned their engine to go with Chromium (because it was probably costing them a lot of resources to keep compatibility with the evolving standards, security fixes etc.) what hope is there for small companies? Arguably Apple’s Safari has significant differences compared to Chrome, but we’re talking about Apple…
People thinking this is a solution are gonna get disappointed eventually. For now, Firefox is the only alternative product that has been maintained for decades.
Fair, I love Brave too much tho. And I don’t care about Manifest V2. So, for me personally its great.
it’s very brave to say something like that here
Why? Brave is amazing!
brave is built on chromium and it also has crypto stuff, so people here hate it
You can easily hide crypto stuff (which I do) and Chromium is great, just not Google Chrome, but the actual Chromium.
the problem with chromium is that because 98% of people use it, google gets to decide how the internet works basically
I get that, but alternatives suck. Firefox doesn’t even support all of the extensions I need.
True. Most of the negative comments about Chromium here are really obtuse. Looks like people feel the need to gain imaginary internet points by praising a mediocre browser made by a misguided Corp. such as Mozilla.
Save your time and avoid replying here. I wont’ reply back. I’m not interested in arguing. Just block me if you disagree and go on with your life.
people think of browsers and operating systems here like it’s a religion or something, it makes them crazy. google is a problem, but it’s not like mozilla isn’t going to pull the same crap when it gets big enough.
Let’s hope that Ladybird be better than Mozilla Firefox.
I would be curious if Ladybird is successful, maybe Microsoft, Apple or Brave will use it after leaving Chrome and WebKit.
Maybe, but even if it happens it’s going to take a lot of time. Let’s wait and see.
