• bizarroland
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    6910 days ago

    I am very averse to companies breaking my trust.

    Mozilla can win it back by explicitly stating what they are collecting, why they are collecting it, and making opt out the default.

    • Optional
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      1910 days ago

      Yeah they’re not going to do that until a few people leave the company. And they have no plans to leave.

      • bizarroland
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        1010 days ago

        And that’s fine, I’ll just use different browsers until they change their stance.

        • @sinceasdf@lemmy.world
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          17 days ago

          That’s very optimistic. Mozilla is not in good shape and the c suite may simply ride their paychecks from the endowment off into the sunset.

          • bizarroland
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            17 days ago

            What’s optimistic about telling a multi-million dollar company that if they don’t operate with principles that I agree with that they won’t get my business?

            • @sinceasdf@lemmy.world
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              Mozilla is run by a nonprofit and just lost 80% of its revenue from the Google ad antitrust case. How is your using their browser making them any money? That’s literally the rub here. The whole promise of Firefox is that they don’t data mine your activities like chromium browsers do and data mining and ads would be the way to make revenue anywhere near on par with what was lost. The CEO gets paid the same either way out of the billion or so that Mozilla has in financial reserve. Firefox keeps losing user base yet the CEO pay keeps going up.

        • @Empricorn@feddit.nl
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          910 days ago

          Okay, but when this is discussed “making opt out the default” means you are signed up and have to opt out if you don’t want to be signed up.

  • @Lonewolfmcquade@lemmy.world
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    4910 days ago

    I remember reading a lot this past year about Mozilla fretting about their market share and trying to figure out how to grow their user base. Did I hallucinate that? Cuz their actions lately appear to be driving users away. Are they taking notes from Google or is there some other MBA making these brilliant changes?

    • @DigDoug@lemmy.world
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      1410 days ago

      Remember the Looking Glass fiasco? The people in charge of Firefox are so stupid it’s indistinguishable from malice.

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            Most of their income has come directly from Google, the incumbent browser monopoly. I’m full tin foil hat on this one, Google is pulling the strings here.

              • @sinceasdf@lemmy.world
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                Yeah you’re correct the deal was cut off late last year so it was not renewed for 2025 but it was on the radar for a couple years. It’s why the sudden sketchy rush for other sources of income so they can keep going as normal. I did make an edit to my post and changed ‘comes’ to ‘has come’.

                It’s been set up to fail. Over 80% of their revenue was from that deal and Google could likely dictate whatever they wanted as part of it. That income is the only thing that even allowed for such an insane pay package for their c-suite in the first place, and so the current form of Mozilla is a direct result of all that cash. It’s supposed to be a nonprofit and now they’re basically in withdrawal because they cannot afford their insane"normal tech company leadership" salaries.

                Idk how Mozilla survives this without another sugar daddy, the leadership pay looks like the biggest liability killing the company and they have to willingly give it up before the company goes bankrupt and/or becomes another ad machine.

                I would really love for them to drop pocket and all their other stupid shit and just make a browser like they used to. Even just that is a huge undertaking these days though, and that is because of (again) Google’s ability to basically dictate web standards. They strung Mozilla along as a pet “look we’re not a monopoly” competitor while continuously raising the bar to entry for any competition. I think the antitrust case should have gone after web standards to allow for competition rather than basically cutting off the only real competitor, but that would have been harder to do and the actual case was based specifically on Google’s search and ad monopoly rather than the chromium browser monopoly.

                • @REDACTED@infosec.pub
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                  27 days ago

                  It never actually clicked to me how screwed mozilla is, but your comment made that pretty clear. At this point, to me it seems like the best course of action would be to fully embrace open source and community driven development instead of trying to run it like before, especially if paying wages becomes unsustainable.

  • @neclimdul@lemmy.world
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    239 days ago

    Firefox main problem with profitability relevance. They need more people to get people to use their tools

    So I just have two questions.

    1. How does this get new users?
    2. How does this help retention?

    The only answer is it doesn’t and we don’t care because we’re going to cash out.

    I’m not running away, I’ll still open Firefox tomorrow like yesterday because the browser landscape is terrible and the shadow of what Firefox was is still good.

    But I’m looking for the disruptor because as questionable as a lot of the new smaller browsers are, there are people out there trying and it’s going to happen.

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    710 days ago

    Bye Firefox. Boy we had some good times, huh.

    • @jimjam5@lemmy.world
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      29 days ago

      After reading this comment, I downloaded it and am liking it so far. Thanks for spreading the word about it!

    • Sunshine (she/her)OP
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      510 days ago

      Orion looks good as it does not collect any data. I don’t want Apple profiting from my safari usage.

      • @SeeFerns@programming.dev
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        310 days ago

        Same. I’m about done with all things big tech. As much as is possible at least. Orion it is! I also saw Vivaldi but I’m not super interested in all the other services that come along with it.

    • @Ciryamo@feddit.org
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      6510 days ago

      The sentence reads:

      ensuring that this way Firefox offers more data collection and use transparency.

      Are you trying to make a joke or intentionally mislead the people who didn’t read the article?

    • @SeeFerns@programming.dev
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      410 days ago

      Zen has been really nice for the few days I’ve been using it. It feels real sleek and just more modern over all.

      My computer is a bit old though and I wonder if there is something similar that is even lighter on resources. Zen is still pretty dang light though.

    • @fin@sh.itjust.works
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      810 days ago

      Nah, Waterfox and Floorp devs are trying to make money out of their software.

      LibreWolf or Zen

        • @CatZoomies@lemmy.world
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          29 days ago

          Nah, you can still try Floorp. It’s very similar to Vivaldi (Chromium). I’m happy with it after using it for a few days to where I uninstalled Firefox. Shame for Firefox, been a user since 2003 or whenever.

          It took me less than five minutes to easily migrate my data from Firefox to Floorp. If Floorp enshittifies in the future, it’ll be super simple to migrate to another Gecko browser, or possibly Ladybird or other engines.

  • eight_byte
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    38 days ago

    I will stick with Firefox for the time being. One must not forget that Firefox provides the basis for all the alternatives listed here. Despite all the controversy surrounding Mozilla, I still think Firefox is the better alternative to Chrome. And I would like to support this at least until there is a truly free browser. My hope is that Ladybird will be a success. However, it will take at least another 1-2 years until development is so far advanced that it can be used as a browser for everyday use. Until then, I think we should all continue to support Firefox so that it doesn’t disappear completely from the market.

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      07 days ago

      I kind of wish browsers would use cooler names, not “ladybird”. Look at Brave. Pretty bad browser, surrounded in questionable stuff, but pretty much estabilished userbase nearly instantly, and I feel like much of that success is simply thanks to a catchy name