• @rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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    474 days ago

    Did it ever respond to those “requests”? What would Signal have anyway other than phone number to login association.

          • @rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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            84 days ago

            So apparently some people think Signal can’t see to which number they send that registration confirmation SMS.

            Humanity isn’t worth it, these apes are doomed.

        • sunzu2
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          National security laws supercede the courts… If they called info on national security grounds, it would not be disclosed in court papers.

          • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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            214 days ago

            If they secretly kept that info and didn’t release it, I guess that could be true. But do we have a reason to believe they’re keeping that info?

            • sunzu2
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              a FISA court order can force them to collect what they can which would includr time stamps and who you are contacting.

              I don’t think signal logs it by default though, but jack shit they can do about national security laws since they are incorporated under US law.

  • John Richard
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    -544 days ago

    Give it time. Before long you’ll see articles about how we need to ban encryption to help Ukraine fight Russia & Democrats will support it cause that is how clueless many of them are.

  • @postall@lemmy.world
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    -314 days ago

    Ok, they had choice to use Jami, app independent of anyone, but they chose centralization…

    • @cm0002@lemmy.world
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      294 days ago

      The article is about Signal providing info on what the Russians are doing on the app and not Ukraine using it themselves

    • @aleq@lemmy.world
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      194 days ago

      Did they really? I assume they would do more research than me when choosing tech, but my initial reaction is “the fuck is a Jami?”. Is this a big app in recent years?

      • @AbidanYre@lemmy.world
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        It’s a messenger backed by the GNU foundation. The last time I tried it it didn’t reliably deliver messages on Android.

      • @postall@lemmy.world
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        -154 days ago

        And you’re proud of that? Well, I’m glad someone else has found out about serverless, independent messenger.

        • @aleq@lemmy.world
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          64 days ago

          Not sure how you read pride into this at all, the implication is that if they don’t know about it it’s not a choice, while at the same time acknowledging that perhaps I’m just out of the loop.

        • mohab
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          144 days ago

          Jami sucks. I will continue to have it installed and hope one day it evolves into a reliable instant messenger, but, currently, it’s extremely unreliable. Not for times of war.

          • @postall@lemmy.world
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            -64 days ago

            Yup, he had some problems that are almost gone now. It’s an obvious consequence of being completely serverless. But it provides independence. I transferred all my communication there, and frankly I’m surprised that everything works for many people I know. Signal doesn’t. But Telegram and WhatsApp still does. For how long…

  • @PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
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    584 days ago

    What exactly is the cooperation that Signal was doing beforehand? Signal claims to collect very little data so I’m not sure how exactly they help?

    • socsa
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      304 days ago

      Russia was caught running a bunch of side channel and phishing attacks using malicious QR codes. Presumably signal could help track these patterns in terms of time and place, to help isolate where espionage activity was occuring.

      • @LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz
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        454 days ago

        Except Signal should not have that data. They claim they do not log that information, so it should be impossible for them to do that.

        Unless signal is lying, that’s not something they can do.

    • @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      03 days ago

      so I’m not sure how exactly they help?

      I would say yes, that you are not sure how exactly they help, if I’m answering your question as written.

      • sunzu2
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        Damn… Hmm are they part of the US government?

        • Dr. Wesker
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          The article explains everything. The gist is Russians are targeting Ukrainians with phishing attacks via Signal. There also is the suggestion they’re exploiting the linked devices functionality, though I’m not sure how.

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            Appreciate this, I don’t click links lol

            Apparently if they can get you to scan some bogus qr code they can get you add their device to your account.

            Why signal not cooperating tho? Following us government?

            • qaz
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              194 days ago

              …I don’t click links…

              I strongly suggest doing so if you want to understand what the article is about

            • Dr. Wesker
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              Not sure. Might be political tension. Might be that phishing attacks are typically user error, and Signal feels like at a certain point it’s not their responsibility. Hard to say beyond conjecture, and I didn’t see a clear reason given in the article.

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              Because they can’t without backdooring the software? Just like they also refuse to co-operate with Swedish government and threatened to leave the market should Sweden try to force them.

              You know Russian spies can also use TOR onion routing and so on.

              As for phishing there is nothing Signal can do about someone scanning a signal contact sharing QR and adding it to their contracts list beyond informative “hey are you really sure, really really sure you want to add this contact”. If user trusts someone they shouldn’t, no amount of app policy protections help. Or maybe they manage to shish them to scan and approve “share account to another device”. Again nothing Signal can do about that.

  • katy ✨
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    -424 days ago

    bye bye signal just deleted it.

    don’t need to support a pro kremlin app

    • @pulsewidth@lemmy.world
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      193 days ago

      There’s a whole ocean between ‘a single (biased) source claims Signal have stopped responding to requests for cybercrime assistance’ and ‘Signal is a pro-Kremlin app’.

    • @Azzu@lemm.ee
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      Hope you don’t use (almost) any other messaging app either. If a single unsubstantiated article is enough to make you stop using something, you should be using almost nothing anywhere.

    • @oldfart@lemm.ee
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      23 days ago

      What’s the difference in this context? Can’t their enemies send dodgy links and QR codes on Matrix?

      • 🌶️ - knighthawk
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        03 days ago

        they can send anything, but if they run their own matrix on their own servers then the data stays in house… important for govt or military things

  • Optional
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    First off, Signal hasn’t said anything, this is an accusation made at a conference in Kyiv. So - who knows, they’re behind, they don’t have billions to support an army, who knows.

    IF they have chosen to not help Ukraine where at all possible, that would be bad.

    All of that said, if I was running a modern army using an encrypted chat app, I’d fucking have all that shit in-house, wtf. It’s 2025. Ukraine already has a bunch of l337 h4X0rs. I’m sure they could slap something together in days and have it in the field in weeks.

    • @pntha@lemmy.world
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      704 days ago

      not to mention the Signal protocol is open source so they could literally build something in days and ensure the same encryption

      • @ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world
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        203 days ago

        Maintaining and testing such an app has costs and risks. They may think it’s more secure that signal does this. It is also harder to attack all of signal.

        They are also significantly resource constrained, everything they have goes towards defence. The effort building the app could be deployed on developing weapon systems they can’t buy.

        Your right nations should have their own independent systems for secure communications for military, politicians and civil service.

    • @corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      53 days ago

      I’m sure they could slap something together in days and have it in the field in weeks.

      We make a lot of assumptions about how other people live, and what they have available.

      • mohab
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        53 days ago

        I wish. SimpleX has a notification/delivery issue on iOS—it’s not reliable at all over there.

        • NebLem
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          13 days ago

          Most Ukrainians are probably priced out from Apple products. I don’t think iOS is a concern in their use case.

          • @oldfart@lemm.ee
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            33 days ago

            They have over 30% ios devices, for whatever reasons iphones are very popular in Ukraine.