I started clapping with a smile and then I said, good for eu but I live in canada lol.
This is good. But they need to target google and chrome next.
In America, software owns you
When you don’t control your software, your software controls you, or something like that
Pretty sure USA has it the worst when it comes to MS shennenigans.
Yep. I remember some of my coworkers used to laugh at me saying “What bloatware? I don’t have any, nor the ads. We’ve used the same images, so it must’ve been something you’ve done yourself”.
Turns out that’s because I chose en/us during installation process and our region didn’t have preinstall deals… yet. Now, they too can enjoy self-installing candy crush and literal KGB spyware.
Not even MS alone, it seems that my American colleagues are vendor locked in several different ways. It’s a bit bewildering honestly.
That is why third party add-ons have become required for usability since Win8. Classic shell or Startallback removes all the bullshit “improvements” and makes the system work smoothly.
The only issue I run into is the occasional “Use Edge” bullshit they push out. It’s more of an annoyance than anything else.
MS is not the only one with the shenanigans. Every tech company is pushing garbage on their customers.
I swear I spend way too much time disabling the shit that the companies want me to use, so I can use the stuff I do.
I disagree, I haven’t had to use any third party-add ons in Windows 10. And once Win 11 brings back the option to not minimise my task bar buttons I think I’ll be happy to switch. It was dumb to remove so many options in the first place though.
We get fucked on consumer protections in general.
how do I set my version to European
better question is, how do I set my american to european?
American folks really need to fight for their rights
The change for EEA users doesn’t even work currently, so no one actually knows. I have a $50 bounty out though to figure out what’s needed once it does work though.
Install Linux. Problem solved
That’s just swapping one problem for another, and I say that as a Linux user
Swapping out a large listmof unsolvable problems, bugs, and limitations for a smaller lost of very doable problems.
And I say that as a 24 years Linux user who seriously only sees shit getting worse on the other side every time
The average user wants their computer to just work, they want to open up their new Bluetooth headphones that their son/ grandson bought them and it connects as expected. Your definition of problem and what is solvable is very different to theirs
The average beginner distro handles bluetooth headphones just fine. On Windows they do not always work reliably
They do not always work reliably anywhere.
Anecdotally, I disagree with that. I’ve never had an issue with Bluetooth on windows. I struggle a lot with Bluetooth on ubuntu
I’ve had issues with Bluetooth on Windows 11, but it worked perfectly on Linux Mint. On Windows 11 the Bluetooth card would simply disappear after I put the laptop to sleep, only appearing at random after multiple restarts. It did work in Windows 10 just fine, however. Similarly, I had to change my WiFi card just for Windows 11. It kept disconnecting from network. Again, something that did not affect Windows 10 or Linux Mint.
If I didn’t have unused WiFi card laying around, I definitely wouldn’t be buying another one just for Windows.
That’s funny. I’m listening right now to Spotify music on my Bluetooth headset from my Linux desktop. I got like 5 different bluetooth headsets that I use on three different computers, all works flawlessly.
So I guess I could say that that is actually not a problem?
Edit: to clarify: Bluetooth worked immediately and out of the box on each of my computers, a desktop and two different laptops. All I needed to do was pair the devices and go time. I can pair whatever Bluetooth device that I want.
Drivers are actually something that Linux handles far better than Windows lol
Fuck off. Not everyone wants to deal with fucking Linux.
Then what are you doing here in the comments of an article about yet another software company abusing it’s users for the nth time? Then go give your private data willingly to these companies.
I don’t directly have a problem with closed source software if it wasn’t for they fact that any closed source software product that gets big gets abused and riddled with ads.
That’s why, Linux.
Nobody wants to deal with Windows either. It’s just the monopoly that has been pushed onto us that we’ve been forced to get used to.
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Is it just me, or does the EU legislators actually care about their citizens?
Any EU citizens that can confirm?
The huge difference between FTC and EC in terms of the mandate of their operation. Whereas the Sherman Law and FTC are operating with aim to protect customers’ rights or something like that, EC anti-monopoly law is oriented just on that: fighting anti-competitive behaviour. The problem is IMHO that “customer rights” is so flexible term, that (with good support in the campaign contributions, I am sure) it is easy to persuade FTC that almost anything you do is perfectly nice. EC’s anti-monopoly mandate is on the other hand rather strict and inflexible.
Especially when you hire a former Verizon lawyer as head of the FTC, and they do their best to dismantle it from the inside, and then the next person you hire needs to spend a bunch of their time rebuilding what was torn down.
The ratio of helpful/shit behavior is not great, but we do have both.
It’s not perfect by any means, but I’m glad to have it and can’t think of any other political organisation doing more “good”.
confirmed
In a case like this, I think they’re mainly worried that the dominance of [insert company] from [insert country] is getting too big.
But they was slapping apple for usb C too. They’re doing something right over there.
Hard to say but in the end my life quality is waaaaaay better after EU accession.
EU does seem to be on the forefront when it comes to user rights. It’s always nice to see them not just grazing over the issues
Username checks out with that pun.
It’s a mixture… forcing companies into roaming agreements, mandating USB C, CCS2, stuff like that.
Then they propose laws to effectively ban end to end encryption.
Ah damn! I missed out as I am using Pop OS. SWORRY!!
Don’t worry. They make Edge for Linux too.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/2/22759123/microsoft-edge-linux-stable-channel
Which is useful for using the Xbox Cloud thing on Linux.
Also, it works as the one Chromium based browser I occasionally need for sites built by idiots.
Willingly using Edge on Linux to browse the internet should be classified as a mental disorder.
I do so. When you start the browser it’s bloated of course, but you can customize it and remove almost everything you don’t like. The browser itself has a lot of its own neat features, so it’s not really just a reskin of chromium. I am tired of pretending it’s only bad.
Why use proprietary software when we have alternative Free Software that works just as well?
Yeah, no. That is just wrong. That is akin to saying that IE 6 really was awesome. Get help
Yup.
A warcrime
I think it’s called Stockholm syndrome.
Cute.
Who in the everlasting fuck would for what Jesus on a pogostick reason install edge on Linux?
That is just sick
That is like walking in on a church mass with “the exorcist 2973” blasting from your mobile phone
I’m sure Microsoft had it out there for someone but again… Who…?
I feel like I need to shower
Here I am, your case study. Installed Edge on my Linux box because at the time using Edge was the only way to access their chatGPT bot for free, through Bing Chat. The good thing is that it was just another browser, so not annoying pop-ups or anything. Since I moved to openai I’ve never used Edge again, and I actually forgot about it until I saw this comment.
Yeah I’m mostly “joking” about it, if you have a reason you have a reason, bit it does sound wrong somehow.
No worries, I know what you mean. Felt weird for me at the time as well!
Linux isn’t an OS, but you GNU that.
I think you meant, GNU+Linux yes? lol
No.
Lol
“Microsoft forced to stop forcing Windows 11 users into Edge in EU countries”, would be a more descriptive title.
But the multinational hyper-conglomerates are our friends and the most efficient use of capital!
This. Current title is misleading.
Can they do the same for Google recommending Chrome?
Yes, they are doing both. The list of entities covered by the DMA dropped today.
At least google sites recommending Chrome are free to use. Microsoft is forcing is it’s useless browser to an audience via an OS. Which they paid for. Two huge no-no’s.
MS should just quit the facade and make it free.
I mean it more or less already is. I’m running an unregistered W10 Pro and the “activate license” thing only comes up occasionally.
I heard from an acquaintance of mine that works for MS that they really don’t care if you pay for their software. As long as you’re using it, they know you’re locked into their environment.
Hell, you can download an install ISO off their website directly, and you can install and run it without a license key.
Yeah I think that much is really apparent. I use AtlasOS when I absolutely need to use Windows.
God bless EU
Nah thanks, we’re lucky to be mostly secular.
You can have both. For instance Denmark is among the least religious countries in the world, and at the same time among of the most blessed.
That’s a fine arrangement we’ve got IMO.
Most blessed how? It sucks here.
Most blessed how?
High living standard, low on threats like naturtal disasters and plenty food including Bacon and Beer. Low crime, high on all kinds of life quality/satisfaction indexes that I know of, among the lowest on corruption and poverty. One of the highest ranking on democracy and freedom of speech.
It sucks here.
Maybe for you, for the majority obviously not.
People only like it here because they are mindless drones that blindly worship the system and hold the opinions that the government wants them to. It’s lame.
Funny you are saying that, at a time where the government is more unpopular than it has been in a long time. It’s unpopular on both the left and right, and even among members of the government parties. Sorry if it offends, but you sound a bit like maybe you’re in a dark place. Or maybe you are just trolling IDK.
No, you are just living in unicorn and rainbow land. Denmark has a very close-minded and ignorant culture. People that have opinions that differ from the norm are labeled as “weird” or just simply cut off socially. Also, no matter what you say about the “government being unpopular”, Danes still blindly worship and defend ridiculous socialism and money-wasting policies in the name of environmentalism or the likes. Your response to my comments just goes to prove my point.
it sucks more everywhere else
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Microsoft Edge is the true religion
Now do cross-platform messaging next!
According to Microsoft almost everything from Microsoft is cross platform, because it works in both Windows 10 and 11. That’s good enough for Microsoft to be cross platform. I’m not even kidding!
EU: “That still only counts as one”
OK. 😀
Guys. This fellow here is missing a Lord of the Rings reference! Did you know that trilogy is 20 years ago now? Feeling old yet?
Lord of the Rings is from 1968, and I read it in the 80’s, and have seen the movies.
I don’t see how that was a reference to either.
It’s a movie reference. Specifically it references “The Lord of the Rings: The return of the King” at the end of the battle of Minas Tirith. It is said by Gimli, as a response to Legolas slaying a Mumak (giant war elephant).
I’m sorry i don’t have a timestamp.
Edit: It’s 2:50:49ish in the extended edition
OK I looked it up, and that is indeed a LOTR reference.
I just don’t get why people would make a reference out of anything as generic as that?
I mean they can require it if they want. Apple would just bury the fact that it exists and would use something that’s known to be shit. Idk how they could be forced to make iMessage cross platform.
That’s nice for the EU folks, elsewhere Microsoft has doubled down on this practice.
I’ve just doubled down on not using Microsoft tbh. I shouldn’t have to spend so much time and effort cleaning a clean install of an OS. And have updates change things so they don’t work the same or at all any more, or you just can’t find them. Fuck that.
If I were on a court or jury, I would rule that repeatedly showing an annoying pop up until you press Agree, doesn’t count as actual acceptance of the terms, I don’t care what the rules are but fuck that practice.
Didn’t this all get decided legally like two decades ago when Microsoft tried to do the same kind of thing with internet Explorer?
now do the rest of the world.
Goddammit, now I’m even more disappointed in the UK doing a Brexit…
microsoft ad, remove
Why do you call every post about Big Tech an ad?
Have a look at the sub frontpage. “Bad” ads still give these companies visibility and shadow competitors
Thats a good point, id never heard of microsoft before this post
The point is to get a view of all tech-related news as a whole, if you don’t want these then go join the specific topic’s (semiconductors, linux, manufacturing, privacy, etc) sub
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Too late. I work with Microsoft professionally, but I’m about to install Linux Mint privately.
I use Fedora with KDE, and Steam/ Bottles apps to run the games, and that works great.
No offense, but that’s like pissing into the wind. As you know, business drives IT adoption. We have 50 engineers that can only use Windows because we depend on Autodesk software. We spend $50k per year on Office E5. I, as an individual, will never spend in my lifetime, what I spend in 1 year at work, with Microsoft. I’m not saying this to brag, but to give perspective. It’s how you have to drive Linux adoption too.
It is my opinion that the iPhone became successful because it supplanted Blackberry as the preferred corporate phone. At the time, the iphone did not play nice with any IT management system (like Active Directory). IT staff hated it, but we couldn’t say no because there was no equivalent alternative, Corporate adoption drove the iPhone’s success. Linux needs to do something that no one else is doing well.
Right, but like, they work with Microsoft professionally, but run Linux personally.
Im a new convert, but it’s weird to me how people try and explain how this thing, that currently exists, is somehow a bad choice. Like I don’t know, maybe I do or do not wind up with more of my professional stuff being on my Linux box, but I don’t really care. It doesn’t bother me that Microsoft exists, I’m just happy Linux does. Microsoft can do whatever the hell it wants.
Linux needs to do something that no one else is doing well.
It can’t even do the things that others already do well, much less beyond that.
Linux ate Microsoft’s lunch in the server space. Sometimes the winds shift.
What a problem to have when your engineering team’s skill set are vendor locked. Not that I’m familiar with autodesk or why you absolutely have to use it, but your engineers could perhaps learn to use blender and use a Linux desktop environment and potentially save a lot of money in licenses and subscriptions.
If it’s 3dsMax yes you can switch over, if Blender doesn’t suffice there’s Houdini and many many 3d graphics studios are in fact Linux shops – Linux inherited that particular slice of the market from IRIX. Some seats will still be on windows or more likely Mac because ZBrush, AfterEffects and generally Adobe. If you’re using Maya there’s no issue in the first place as the thing runs on Linux.
If it’s AutoCAD, though, tough fucking luck. Once upon a time there was Siemens NX but they pulled Linux support and free CAD/CAM is nowhere close to production ready.
And, no, retraining people generally is usually not cheaper than paying license fees, by a long shot. Maybe if you pay out of your nose for Houdini but actually only need Blender but who does that in the first place.
And, no, retraining people generally is usually not cheaper than paying license fees, by a long shot.
Are you speaking of just short-term, or long-term as well?
Long-term for the likes of Hollywood contract studios is “till the end of the production” so, yes. It’s also insanity to switch software while a project is ongoing so you’d have to shut down the studio and then start it up again at which point they’d likely be bankrupt. They’re not even upgrading software versions.
Now if you’re the likes of Siemens or Airbus who more or less on a whim write their own CAD/CAM packages sure it pays off to re-train your engineers, using a software that was tailor-made for what they need to do was the objective in the first place, increasing their productivity. But you won’t make a Maya artist more productive by sitting them in front of Blender. It’s more like switching between vi and emacs: Both are very capable and have steep learning curves due to their sheer power and productivity focus (and one of each causes RSI. To wit, Maya doesn’t have right-click select).
So if I’m to believe you then no one should ever retrain for any better products ever, because it’s too cost prohibitive?
That we should use a static set in cement set of products until the end of time, even if a better ones come out that require training?
Nah there’s definitely another option and that’s to abolish capitalism.
Did you know that with the automation tech from 10 years ago the world could already have 70% unemployed and yet produce western middle-class living standards for absolutely everyone? The reason it’s not done is not that investing in automation doesn’t have a gigantic ROI, it’s that it’s too long-term for capital to care. Also we don’t want that kind of power in the hands of capitalists anyway but that’s another story. The Diamond Age it’s called, I think.
Business decisions are almost always influenced by the personal preferences of people in charge. While OP probably can’t change the existing infrastructure right now, when the infrastructure is eventually changed, OP’s pro-Linux input could make a big difference.
Not even going down that track, I’ve been messing with Linux for 15yr and happy to say about 2yr ago switched to Linux mint daily driver and not going back. Can do everything I need to:
Work (teams, prospect mail for Outlook, zoom, etc)
Gaming (Steam and Proton make playing 95% games a reality and actually works great surprisingly)
Music Production (Bitwig - truly awesome DAW very comparable to Ableton live - no BS actually is a TRUE contender and great and stable DAW, by far the best ever used in Linux)
Windows 11 can suck it
I tried to but it’s still too janky for my taste. Every bigger update breaks something (I am lucky if it doesn’t break the OS as a whole which happened few times). For gaming I have issues with alt-tabbing stuff that’s completely janky for ages and I find that function crucial to consider it as a gaming OS.
