Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.
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I would like to give apple credit for not rebranding USB Type-C and claiming they invented it.
Well, they actually participated in it’s invention, so it would be nice if the average lemmy user would educate themselves instead of just blindly repeating what Android fanboys are pulling out of their asses.
Didn’t they actually participate in it’s invention…?
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they did, yes. something like half of the engineering team that developed USBC was provided by Apple.
Here’s an idea:
Your current phone is enough.
Yeah I think so, but they’ve stopped providing security updates for it.
Custom rom
I just upgraded to an iPhone 13. I only did that because the battery in my XR was dying and a new phone was $10 a month. Otherwise, I would have been fine keeping it indefinitely.
If I may ask: why not a FairPhone? Those are repairable so they seem like a good investment if you’re gonna spend iPhone level of money*.
*Tho I guess an older iPhone 13 is cheaper than a new FairPhone nowadays but idk by how much.
Because I can’t get one for $10 a month and I don’t want to repurchase the hundreds of dollars worth of apps I’ve already paid for.
Angry shareholder noises
Shareholders can cope and seeth
Imagine a world where we accept that things don’t have to be fantastically better than what came before, and we can find happiness in what we have.
That’s not how humans work.
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I guess we’re fucked, then.
Yup. All this technological advancement is cos we’re never really satisfied of what we have. Was it good in the 80s, was it enough? No. We never settle. That one day will be our ruin.
Except the battery won’t hold a charge any more and it’s impossible to replace
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Not Impossible https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement
My Pixel 2 XL that’s suffering begs to differ…
phone manufacturers hiss and recoil like vampires
So stop buying them!
1/2 the people complaining about the lack of innovation will turn around and order a new iPhone within the next 12 months or so. Apple doesn’t know or care about your snarky comments about them, but they sure as hell know you just gave them many hundreds of dollars for a new phone.
It’s some idiots on Twitter being reposted by a trash tabloid. This site should be banned from here it’s garbage.
100% this
Most hilarious is adding USB-C, announcing lightning 5 and then keeping the transfer rate at USB 2.0 speeds.
I don’t know what people are expecting anymore, phones are a mature market. Short of something like foldables (which don’t seem to be catching on) they’re going to be iterative updates. Look at TVs and computers. Years of big advancements and then they’re iterative.
Also the NY Post is an absolutely terrible publication to link to.
Foldables are catching on, they’re growing absurdly fast.
Exactly, they grow like 200% in the second it takes to unfold them
I got my fold because I was tired of incremental upgrades that didn’t make my phone feel any different than the last years phone (moved from Pixel 2 to pixel 3 right prices dropped when as pixel 6 launched). Sure it was faster but it didn’t feel any faster than when the old phone was new. The screen was the same size, it felt the same speed, why even spend the money? I wouldn’t pitch that anyone needs a foldable, but by that comparison noone “needs” a $1600 ultra/pro phone when base models are $800-900, but people do anyway. As long as I can afford the upgrade every 3 years, I will get the new one. when the screen finally gives.
I mean I’d agree but apple consistently jacks up the prices with every “new” release. I’m going to assume that the 15 is literally just the 14 with usb c.
(almost) fully agree. However, I think people are just waiting for the next “game changer” since it’s been quite long since the “smartphone” was launched… and as you say, foldables obviolsy didn’t fill that desire. Computers, on the other hand, has seen some quite big improvements lately. Mainly with small, energy efficient chips (like the m1, m2…) so there is hope for a not so stagnant market with only marginal gains.
I’ll admit the hardware on iPhones is excellent but waaayy overkill for iOS.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
Let me use HDMI out over USB-C to an external monitor and have a full desktop with ability to run desktop class apps. Let me use the full potential of the chipsets to get actual work done and effectively replace a computer.
Till then, Android it is for me because I can do both these things easily. I know my use cases are more niche, but “Pro” naming on consumer Apple products is just fluff.
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EU has an upcoming law that will force Apple to allow sideloading apps.
Based EU strikes again
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
This is THE reason I switched from Apple to Android in 2017 and never looked back.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
I’m honestly a bit divided on this. Like yes, freedom is great, but the Apple app monopoly, for all its faults, does one good thing and it’s the fact that all the software is easily available in one place and I am not forced to install multiple app stores to search trough to find what I’m looking for. It turns out that while I like to tinker with personalized Linux installs on my computers, on my phone I just want it to work as quickly and easily as possible without having to figure things out.
I would like an easier way to compile your own app packages for the phone though.
You say like this is normal on Android. It’s not. Basically everything is still on google play
Seriously, I would buy an iPhone if it was not so locked down. I like a lot of things about them but I need my non app store compliant apps
How would they sell you a mac or a iPad along the iPhone if they open The iPhone that much? We still live in capitalism sir.
Well they eventually pulled the plug on iPods…
Took them “only” 10 years to add mouse support for iPads, something that’s been used for decades.
So surely, give it 10 more years and then they’ll “revolutionize” using a bigger external display for iPhone (and not just screen mirroring) :D
They’ll do it, they just take their sweet time.
I only hear: „mimimi, apple does not give me any reason to buy a new phone every year.“ just use your phone 5 years and try a new one then you will feel the difference. Source: I own a iPhone X and my girlfriend owns a iPhone 12 pro
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Huh, so that’s why Apple stocks dropped
That likely had much more to do with the China drama.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone. Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
I look forward to experimenting with different things connected to see how they work. I’m curious how video out is handled. But I’m guessing I’ll be disappointed in most cases.
I expect being able to connect a usb drive will be helpful though.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone.
Android users welcome you to 2017…
Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
…or not. Apple will limit USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds so… good luck with that.
Isn’t the limit apply to non-pro devices only (which is still ridiculous btw)?
That is correct as the Pro devices have the A17 chip and the non pro are on the older A16 chip.
Wtf so the non pro are even worse than last year pro in every aspect?
And still 950€ for the base model …
no, the 15 is effectively the 14 Pro in an aluminum shell and 2 cameras instead of 3.
Is this a first year sort of thing or is it going to be this way going forward? Like, they didn’t want to have to engineer it for the older chip because it’ll be dropped after this year whereas the A17 will likely power the non-Pro Iphone 16 and the A18 will power the Pro version. I don’t put it past Apple to pull some douchery to try to drive Pro sales, but there could be a logical reason for it.
They’ve done it the last couple of models.
It’s a way to further differentiate the pro from the non pro, and to keep the non pro price the same. They haven’t changed the price on that since the 12.
The base has been $799 since 2020. Inflation alone should mean it would be $950 this year with no other changes.
Seems that it comes down to Apple adding a USB 3 controller in the
A16A17 chip where theA15A16 did not have one embedded. They’d otherwise need to have an external controller to add support in the non-pro phones which is easier said than done when dealing with a phone. Annoying but understandable at least.A17 and A16 respectively. You’re behind a year lol
Thanks - numbers are hard lol
Pro models support up to 10 gigs per second which is a touch more than 2.0
e.g. “pay us to remove the artificial speed.”
Honestly I am fine with it. It looks like they did not have the usb3 controller built into the cpu until they made the 17 and m1 chips. To be honest, I am not going be moving any large files between the phone and a flash drive, at most a short video. The slower speeds will not bother me.
Leave it to Apple to release a new iPhone with intentionally outdated, hamstrung technology just to upsell more expensive models.
My 2013 Samsung had usb 3, used a special micro USB 3 cable but still.
The base model hardware is usually the chips, boards and controllers from last year’s pro phones. If that trend continues, next year’s base models will be on the new IO.
It’s shocking that they’re so openly scamming their customers. Base models comes with last’s year chip and features. Has a gimped USB 2.0 port for maybe a 5$ difference. It’s a total insult.
And Samsung quickly switched back to USB 2 shortly after because nobody really cared and it created other problems.
That’s mainly because microusb 3.0 was a failed tech, the cable was just so unwieldy and huge. Focus of S6 was on design so a large chunky port would be very difficult to keep.
What other problems?
RF interference I believe.
Oh, interesting!
All phone models for the last many years from them have USB 3.
The iPhone is their cash cow. They need it to bring stable and sizeable income to fund things like vr goggles. I’m not saying the haters are wrong, just that their expectations for what Apple will innovate on the iPhone might be a little misplaced.
The haters are looking for any surface to attack.
The iPhone is their cash cow
Isn’t the Apple ecosystem their cashcow? Get them hooked on one Apple device and “Look! Everything Just Works™” is kind of their shtick.
All accessory vendors are going “woah, revolutionary! Apple is now usb-c”, but Apple itself isn’t being too pushy about it. They’re more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.
iPhone makes up like 75% of their hardware revenue.
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Now with this new version, they don’t even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn’t force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.
Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their ‘Pro’ model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology
Apple just wants to get rid of low income people having an iphone.
Iphones whole thing has always been to be a luxury brand, that only rich people can afford.
And they still don’t have PD on the pro.
My guess is that they’ll be going portless soon, and don’t want users freaking out that they can’t change their phones as quickly, so they’re intentionally nerfing the charge speeds on USB C.
With how much they’re investing in video and how large their camera/film user base is, they will not go portless.
USB C without PD ain’t compliant with the EU regulation, so I hope for them, and their users, that PD is onboard.
They have to have USB power delivery by the EU law but only as fast as the device supports at all. So if they only have 20W charging at all that’s legal.
A 15 year old technology pretty much every other phone uses now. A technology used in pretty much every modern laptop - especially Apple’s own - and many desktops.
15 years ago was Micro-USB, which was awful.
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In every way except for starters their UI is absolutely dog shit
You’re right.
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Sure. Let’s talk about Steve Wozniak.
Apple was literally founded and initially successful off Steve jobs monetizing Woz’s genius. It is not at all a stretch to claim Steve Jobs never innovated a thing.
In modern apple, of course they are far more likely to buy innovative technologies and fund development or copy competitors. Why would they spend money funding R&D when they can more cheaply buy out worthwhile concepts?
Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used
You’re correct, but it’s important to note that the M chips are very expensive to produce, and abandoning x86 means literally all the software iOS and OSX uses needs to be rewritten (or translated via Rosetta). It’s a huge project with tons of risks and massive costs. Apple can do this because they’re pretty much completely vertically integrated at this point, and control their ecosystem completely. If amd independently released some new non compatible architecture that was dramatically faster, it’d likely be dead in the water.
Intel learned this lesson the hard way during the Itanic days. AMD took the relatively safer approach when they released amd64.
Correct. I wish there were open source chips in this category. Not that anyone could afford to produce it, but I believe Software for a chip with a new instruction set would be more adapted if you could look everything up
RISC-V is open source. Lots of boards are moving to RISC-V.
Well it seems I am not up to day on the topic. This is great
There are, Risc-V has been hard at work with several partners (including Bosch and Qualcomm) to bring comparable RISC SoCs to consumer markets (there are already industrial offerings). But it’s not fast nor cheap to do it. It also has a major drawback that’s never talked about that, unlike x86, SoCs become obsolete way sooner for a much higher upfront cost. So, an upgradeable Risc-V option is kind of an elusive idea, for most of the computing power and energy consumption advantages come from the System on a chip design. Today people expect more storage space than ever, and to play with the newer and most powerful graphics options. Something that SoCs cannot change fast or easily.
Software support is also the worst point right now, a problem that Apple addressed by bearing the brunt of the port and compatibility work. But it’s not so simple for other vendors who have to rely on third parties to make their software available in their platform.
Why spend more in a new laptop that is barely just as powerful and runs none of the software you want? Apple cult clout is the only thing leading the sales of the Apple Silicon. And software developers are not interested on porting their software to a platform with no users.
On the other hand Risc-V has only existed since 2015, so it’s massive strides and advances are actually quite impressive. And with more governments looking to become independent from Chinese transistors we might be looking at a new processor arch era, though only after a short growing pains period that we are in right now.
Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.
To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.
Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.
Yeah. The man was a piece of shit in several ways, but he was also good at what he did.
They can’t. It’s clearly stated that the USB connector is still limited to the lightning speed.
There is no such thing as ‘lightning speed’. It’s just a connector, not a data communication standard. The non-pro iPhone 15 uses the same SoC as last year’s pro models, which happens to have an USB 2.0 controller. The new SoC used in the 15 Pro models have a 10 gbit USB 3.0 controller on board.
“Still limited to the same speed of the model using the lightning connector” did not have the same ring to it.
Did not know they finally moved to a usb3 chipset on the pro when I commented, good to hear.
Apparently the Pro version has USB 3.0. Still mediocre compared to new Android phones (not just the flagships) that are pushing Thunderbolt.
Hooking up your android phone to an ultrawide with built-in dock is still funny, but not very useful.
What android phone supports thunderbolt?
I got USB 3.2+ confused with Thunderbolt, since the terms are used intermixed. I mean USB alt-mode (display and peripherals)
I did it once with a Windows Phone. Bar the novelty thing, it is not something I found useful
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life.
That is absolute bullshit. Sure he was an asshole to his co-workers and even his family, but I’m so tired of this false narrative that acts like Jobs is completely overrated.
Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…oh wait they didn’t steal that. Remember when they stole MacOS from…oh wait…they didn’t do that either.
Stop being an armchair expert on something you have zero clue about. JFC.
‘Good artists copy; great artists steal’ -Steve Jobs, proudly bragging about stealing ideas.
Such as the mouse which they stole from Xerox. There are many examples of this for people who don’t have apple dick in their mouths
Remember when they stole MacOS from…
XWindows? Was that what you were going to say?
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…
Wow, you are really digging the bottom of the barrel…
Yeah wtf is apple innovating?
Coincidentally, USB C. Just not on their mobile devices.
They were some of the first to ship a laptop with USB C, and they went balls out.
Not coincidentally. Ironically.
No coincidence, Apple helped design USB-C. They have been slowly transitioning for years but everyone thinks the EU “made” them switch.
Are you serious with that comment? EU definitely made them switch.
Did they make them switch the MacBook to USB-C? Did they make them switch the iPad to USB-C?
No. What’s your point?
The EU probably made them switch.
USBC has been around for years now, so why not make the switch before they’re legally required to, if not to keep users on proprietary cables for just a little longer?
USC-C spec was finalized about two years after they made the switch to Lightning. The first smartphone with USB-C came 6 months after that finalization. Apple wanted to get rid the 30 pin and felt the uncertainty around USB-C timeline was too high, so they rolled their own.
If they switched to USB-C for phones just 2-3 years after Lightning it would’ve been a terrible experience for iPhone users.
I remember the outrage around moving to lightning. Doing it again so soon after for a connector that’s (slightly) more fragile and provided no real benefit would have seriously hurt sales.
i just had a memory show up in my facebook timeline with a comparison of the number of ports Apple had used on the iPhone and how many Samsung had used. samsung had used something like a dozen in the same timeframe of about 5 years but everyone was pissed that the 30 pin was going away. and on top of that, lightning was introduced as ‘a port for a decade’ which, incidentally, it’s been in use for… 10 years.
Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,
It was not revolutionary in the sense of technology, it was revolutionary in the sense of getting the general public to understand and accept the idea of a smartphone.
EDIT: Not to say it’s still necessary. I mostly stick to the iPhone because I don’t want to repurchase all the apps I already purchased, some for a significant amount, if I have to replace my phone. If that becomes moot one day, like if iPhones get to the point that they’re unusable or somehow Apple goes under, I’ll switch.
It was not revolutionary in the sense of technology, it was revolutionary in the sense of getting the general public to understand and accept the idea of a smartphone.
Translation: “I blindly hate Apple and I have no idea what I’m talking about.”
Um… I’m on a Macbook right now and I have an iPhone.
So they had “innovative marketing”, ok.
People always down vote when I point that out as well lol. Windows mobile was already moving towards icon based UIs pre iPhone, so while the UI was a definite improvement it wasn’t the revolution it’s made out to be. The iPhone 1 had no app store or 3g so was not good for emails and, back in 2007 when flash still mattered, couldn’t access most of the Internet where windows phone could. I’m pretty sure it was successful purely based on the iPods popularity, at least until the iPhone 3gs and app store came out and the iPhone became arguably a better smartphone than those that came before.
Not for anyone that knew about mobiles…
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No dude, there were already symbian touchscreen devices on the market
What symbian device had a capacitive multi touch display in 2007?
I love how you apple cultists just move the goal posts whenever you get proven wrong about something
The only revolution was getting dumbass Americans to buy something
So since you cannot answer a simple question you attack me with a VERY imaginative story about cultest 🤣.
Whatever you need to do to make your head cannon work.
Doesn’t mean the iPhone wasn’t revolutionary.
I was (and still am) a mobile app developer at the time. We had every major phone on the market in our office for testing purposes. Literally hundreds of different phones. You name any popular (and less popular) phone on the market at that time and I can guarantee you I’ve used it extensively.
The iPhone was absolutely revolutionary. However, it wasn’t because of a specific piece of technology, it was execution.
Symbian touch-screen phones existed, they were slow and laggy. The UI was nothing like the iPhone, which is built around directly manipulating UI elements with your finger. It seems obvious now, but back then it wasn’t. You could use the touch screen to manipulate a tiny scrollbar.
The closest thing to the iPhone was the LG Prada (KE850), which had a capacitive touch screen and the same scrolling mechanism as iPhone. However, it was small, had a tiny screen and was relatively slow. The software was also very limited, it was basically a feature phone, not a smartphone.
The iPhone was basically the first phone that got all of it right.
The iPhone was an incredibly obvious idea to follow up the iPod.
LOL no it wasn’t.
Sure, the idea of an apple phone had been out there for a while, but the actual device wasn’t obvious at all. Just look at all the speculation before the event, people making mockups of what they thought the iPhone would look like. Just look at the industry reactions afterwards.
For example, the reaction of blackberry founder Mike Lazaridis
Or the reaction from the people at Google working on Android
It was absolutely revolutionary at the time. The fact that the way it works seems obvious after the fact is testament to how good and revolutionary it actually was. We can’t even imagine things working differently anymore, but it was only obvious after it was revealed.
So what you’re saying is that it was an evolution of stuff already on the market. I mean the iPhone didn’t even have apps when it came out
Apple coined the term App with the introduction of the App Store. They weren’t called that before the iPhone. That’s how influential the iPhone and its ecosystem were.
I can’t stand Apple’s ecosystem, but pretending like it wasn’t a major shift is just weird.
It was absolutely a revolution.
The relevant definition of revolution: “a dramatic and wide-reaching change in conditions, attitudes, or operation.”
It didn’t matter if the technology already existed, hardly anyone was using it. Capacitive touchscreens existed, but there was no dramatic change, they were just used in the same way as resistive touchscreens. It was a different way of building a touchscreen, but very much an evolutionary change.
The iPhone was a revolution because it caused a dramatic and almost overnight change in the industry. What techies usually fail to see it that technology doesn’t matter. What matters is how it is used and what it allows people to do.
i was working in mobile at the time, and it was my job to keep up with the leading tech. i was using a Palm Treo when the iPhone was released, which was arguably the most advanced PDA phone at the time with blackberry being the primary competitor.
i vividly remember watching the announcement from the iphone and being shaken with how the device worked. the fact that you interact with it without a stylus, the highest resolution screen available on a PDA phone, combining the functionality of an ipod, phone, and rich HTML internet browsing device, and the fucking triple layered capacitive multi-touch touch screen were absolutely revolutionary. to say anything else is revisionist history. no one else had anything remotely like it.
and anyone who knew anything about mobiles at the time knew it was revolutionary and that the world was changing that day.
I bet you also think it’s the year of the Linux desktop 🙄
Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.Edit: I’ve been schooled.
The lightning port is USB 2. The 15 is USB 2, powered by the same USB 2 chipset as the 14 pro. The only difference is the connector not the cables or encoding.
The 15 pro has USB 3, which is faster than the lighting port ever was.
Oh, I’ve been schooled. Thanks.
lmao what?
corporate wants to know the difference between these two phone versions
“its the same phone”
“We put a bigger number on the box.”
Congratulations, you have discovered car manufacturers too.
We also changed the 14 to a 15
I was watching the announcement yesterday and afterwards I was trying to recollect what cool new feature there was, I had to rewatch it because I fell asleep, but even then I couldn’t find anything. They should thank the EU that they at least can talk about the difference between USB2 and USB3 speeds.
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“It doesn’t cure cancer, it sucks lmao FOSS 4EVA!!!” - average lemmy user.
Lightning was already capable of USB 3 speeds. The OG iPad Pro had it.
They just never brought it over to their phones/cheaper ipads.
The iPad Pro had an external USB3 chipset on the mainboard. There likely isn’t space for an external controller in an iPhone.
It wasn’t really though.
The original iPad Pro had to do some shenanigans with it, which is why it only worked with a couple of specific accessories like the SD card dongle. They had special lightning connectors.
Lightning itself is only capable of usb 2 because of the pin set. Each side is redundant to the other to make it reversible. USB-c is a bigger connector with more pins.
The accessories that it worked with had a modified lightning connector that wasn’t redundant. The iPad would figure it out and change how data was flowing to the lightning connector.
That turned out to be a significant pain in the ass so they scrapped it and went to USB-C instead which solved that issue entirely, without having to pull the backend shenanigans.
Y’all are unironically engaging with a NYPost article
It’s an insult to call this an article, is regurgitating some shit some dudes on twitter said.
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It’s always been a large chunk of journalism. Great Journalism always has and continues to exist, but the kicker is those people deserve to get paid for their work, and few people want to participate in paying for content, so low effort spam is more lucrative.
