All these (ad)ons always take priority over performance.
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Meta adding the same features to all their apps, for whatever reason
Everybody wants to be We Chat.
even the fediverse (kinda)
not really tbh
And WeChat sucks. The only reason it dominates in China is because the government mandated a bunch of social control stuff to run there making it virtually mandatory just to exist in China.
Western VCs wished they could have their shitty app being mandatory.
Look at El Musk and his “X app” obsession. He wants it so bad he burned the brand he paid BILLIONS to acquire just to chase his everything app.
I think part of his plan was to quickly roll crypto into it… but then by the time he actually acquired it Crypto took a huge downturn.
pls whatsapp stop copying from fucking telegram there should be a law to make it not possible this is killing competition
But ‘Stories’ are from IG, owned by Meta… so… we rather stay quiet on this occasion xdd
first they copied it from snapchat (meta loves to copy from smaller alternatives to kill them) second they added it only people where continuing to ask them for it (me too)
tg stories failed miserably due to being premium only tho
But I can use them just fine? Some customization options like expiration time are behind premium but it’s available for everyone.
I think it was premium only for a short while before version 10
…you still can’t publish stories without premium. I’ve only seen like one two stories so far (despite having hundreds of contacts and chats), and one of them is a telegram ad. Almost everyone gets surprised when they see the stories bubble at the top…
you can publish them (at least on iphone) without premium
Stories are the Meta’s copy of snapchat.
Stories are the worst addition to Telegram. I hope Meta sue them and make them remove this feature :D
it really depends.
If it’s different parts of the same system I really don’t like if it gets split up to multiple apps. Take steam, there I need two apps, one for the general store and it’s functions and one for communicating with my friends. In that case I’d rather would have one app that fits all.
But if I don’t need several functions of an app and they are also hurting the experience with it, I’d rather would have the sourced out to other apps.
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This is far more likely to become the Do Everything App for the Western World than X/Twitter is.
And I just know we will be forced to use it
I’m really interested how this is going to play out. I’m seeing this from a European perspective - Meta has show many times, that they shit on the GDPR. And while it seemed, that nothing really happened so far, that authorities are getting traction. Fines are racking up. The Digital Services Act and the Digital Markets Act are going to introduce more regulations, and I think that the future might hold even more surprises for Meta, especially if they succeed in build all these new things into WhatsApp.
I feel like FOSS apps keep getting more viable while closed source apps keep getting worse. I feel like the next version of the internet is the one few know about. Even Mastodon is getting better, and Lemmy is pretty much a reddit equivalent now.
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“Enshitification”
a new word added to my. dictionary
Don’t use WhatsApp or Telegram. There are better things to use. (Signal, Session and simplex chat)
lol. "Don’t use the messaging apps used by all your friends and family. Use another app so you cant contact them. "
This is pretty much the only thing stopping me from using another app
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Then get them on a different app. Be a leader not a follower
Man, messaging is a nightmare. I use signal with a few of my closest contacts, whatsapp with most other people, sms as a fallback and for work I have to occasionally use Teams and fucking Viber (ugh). At least I managed to liberate myself from the clutches of Slack.
If only there was some standard way to get these apps to talk to each other so everybody could use what they want. Oh wait, there was, it was called XMPP, it worked perfectly and big tech fucking killed it and replaced it with the irritating clusterfuck that is the current status quo.
Matrix with Bridges does help a lot, though. Alternatively Beeper. (Which is Matrix with Bridges)
Wire…?
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Sure, I use Signal with some. But I will have to use WhatsApp to interact with most people. They won’t switch just because I tell them to.
Luckily they don’t have to switch. Your good friends from the European union have a solution for you (And the latest beta for whatsapp features the skeleton for their implementation of that standard)
Except Signal likely won’t adopt that, as they already mentioned some time ago
All hail the European union
I stick to Telegram. I don’t want anything to do with Meta.
I stick to pigeons.
That’s neither of OSI Layers lol
I stick to matrix. I want nothing to do with telegram.
I stick to XMPP. I would not mind being on Matrix but XMPP is much less bloated on my server.
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That’s still better than using Meta:)
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Awesome, maybe then I can get everyone I know to switch to a better platform.
Yep, when Meta bought it, I warned my group friend chats that the second they start trying to monetize it, I’m going to whine until they all switch to Signal. Guess it’s time to start nagging
WhatsApp is a shithole. Communities, Channels, Payments, Avatars all these destroyed the simple chat app. Meta is aiming for a monopoly here.
Signal and Telegram pretty much useless if you don’t have your needful people on the platform.
It’s just not a battle I am willing to fight. Too many people I can’t contact without Whatsapp and none of them willing to swap.
Thanks to EU, you’ll be able to contact these people on WhatsApp without using WhatsApp.
That’s great to know!
Thankfully I don’t have people I need on WhatsApp, but it took some convincing.
Nowadays I only have dentist and barbershop on WhatsApp, all my folks are on Telegram, including all work communications.
WhatsApp was always lacking features; WhatsApp web can’t replace a full featured desktop client which is a must have for me; and its mobile client is inconvenient in every possible way.
WA does have a desktop client. Fuck that though.
Last time I checked it was a 600-800Mb monster that is just a wrapper of the web page
It’s worse now, it’s an all out react native app, I believe. On windows, it’s hideous. Simple things such as sending attachments become a multiple-seconds-long waiting game; by the time I’m able to send a screenshot, my phone link has already transfered the clipboard from my pc to my phone, I have unlocked it and opened WhatsApp and sent the attachment through android instead. This has happened to me more times than I care to count.
There’s also this nasty input focus bug, where you sometimes have to tab out of the app entirely and tab back in for it to detect focus on textboxes.
Its like they’re intently taking steps back on WhatsApp as a whole, kind of reminiscent of Skype’s fall from grace.
WhatsApp actually uses the native UI frameworks of each operating system on all major platforms now, meaning whatever the latest Windows UI framework is called and Swift UI on macOS. Their mobile apps natively use Material on Android and Swift UI on iOS respectively, and always have been.
I actually think it’s great. One of the few service-based multi-platform apps that actually has native clients on all platforms as opposed to Electron apps or React “native” or whatever. It does this better than pretty much any other messenger (Telegram, Signal etc. on desktop are all Electron apps or similar).
I’ll bail out if (or inevitably when) they add more and more bloat (like channels or this shopping stuff for example).
Fr! only reason why I prefer the webapp over client
The software enshittification cycle continues.
This is kind of funny. Some of these features I would see see as Google’s turf. However, since Google can’t create a text messaging service, Meta can use their messaging app to encroach.
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Imagine taking an equal amount of time to be angry about a comment. Down vote and move on…
The maturity of decentralized communication cannot come soon enough
You should try snikket. It can run on a 1$/month VPS and gives you and friends/family a really easy to run xmpp server. Easy for not so technical people.
Hell no lol, I’d use an actual modern service like Element.
I find it harder to use. My account has several spammer chats that I can’t close for some reason etc…
You can just go into your account settings and deactivate
deactivate what?
Deactivate the account, and there’s a checkmark to delete all past messages
I don’t want to deactivate my account
If only there was a standards-based platform that everyone could use, supported by all telecommunications providers. Ah dammit. Probably just a pipe dream. /s
Back in my day, the only decentralized communication we needed was yelling from the rooftops and we turned out just fine!
Developing countries should get their act together and stop using WhatsApp.
By “developing countries”, do you mean “most of the world outside the US”? Because WhatsApp is used extensively in Europe as well. Which means you’re either ignorant, condescending, or both.
I meant countries like India, Brazil etc. They heavily use WhatsApp mostly because people are illiterate and poor. People use WhatsApp in Europe but not as much when compared to India.
In 2022, 75% of UK Internet users and 80% of Hong Kong internet users used WhatsApp (just do a search for “WhatsApp usage in Hong kong/uk”). Would you call these global financial hubs poor and illiterate countries?
I hate Facebook as much as the average lemmy user (lemming?), but let’s not pretend that everyone makes decisions based on the company’s reputation.
I’m in the UK and have it but literally none of my contacts use it except the local dog daycare that use it to send pictures. So according to stats I ‘use’ it but not really
Facebook messenger is fairly big (almost everyone is on it mainly because they all have Facebook accounts) and I know a lot on Signal (they all moved from Telegram because Russia, which I thought was an overreaction but no choice but to follow).
I’m in the uk and it’s not uncommon to never end up texting people on WhatsApp but in my experience almost everyone I’ve met has it
I don’t think the majority of the populace…anywhere makes app decisions based on morality. WhatsApp is basically nonexistent in USA and Canada (and while Facebook and Instagram are present they are far from omnipresent) but I don’t think it has anything to do with people making informed decisions about the moral issues with tech companies.
Are you saying there’s a relation between the use of Whatsapp and education or economic levels of a country? What are you on about?
I am saying if you’re not educated you cannot take educated decisions such as people dont know what’s Facebook capable of. Look at the killings, riot and coup in Myanmar, india etc.That’s just one example but there’s many more. WhatsApp and Facebook are defaults apps on all the phones so people who don’t know much just start using the app but people who know about collection of data, people being manipulated, fake news will avoid using WhatsApp , Facebook etc.
This contrived correlation you’re trying to establish just doesn’t hold up to the statistics or common sense.
In every country there are individuals who value digital privacy and/or security.
The truth is, these individuals are the minority in virtually every case. The majority of the population, irregardless of overall education or social status, just doesn’t care enough to act upon the compromises necessary for a more private and secure digital life, instead opting for the more convenient way of doing things.
People in general just love having easy access to online services, and oversharing their information, either with Big Tech, or their peers over social media. That’s just human behavior.
Education could perhaps bring consciousness about this issue, but it’s most often the product of an individual concern. And this just can’t be simply related the way you’re insisting here.
There are no digital privacy/security classes in the structured general education on “more developed” countries. At least not contrasting with the lack thereof on the “least developed” countries in a statistically meaningful way.
We’re getting used to seeing the EU having to step in and legislate against or punish corporations on their abuse of customer data, just for that same legislation not to encounter an equivalent on the United States, or other “more developed” countries.
You gave the example of the coup in Mianmar, and the role of social media manipulation though fake news, and so on.
Do you really think people in Mianmar, or India are more manipulated by these apps than, say, people in the UK, Germany, or Switzerland?
Have you ever tried to talk about geopolitical events with the average Joe in Denmark? How about in the USA?
You could have searched for fakenews whatsapp before writing. Here read this
https://time.com/5949210/facebook-misinformation-2020-election-report/
So, are these articles supposed to support your argument? Because they do the exact opposite.
Or have you completely missed the point?
Do u think most people in first world countries know these things?
Most people, Yes
During the peak of Whatsapp Controversy, I had 50 out 450+ contacts on Signal. Now it is just 5 people.
Signal shot it’s self in the foot removing sms capabilities. Tragic.
This is US defaultism. People doesn’t care about sms capabilities outside the US. The US isn’t a huge market for Signal.
I think it did effect things. SMS is weirdly popular in the US (i think it’s might be cause they didn’t use it much in the 90s?) but people I know in France and UK still use texts for some things, even if messaging apps are where most of communication happens (French people even use mms which is insane).
I know that I managed to convince a number of tech-shy people (including parents) to get Signal by telling them replaced their sms app, so it wasn’t a whole extra app / network they needed to use. It was great for me because I could ditch WhatsApp completely. But when signal stopped supporting sms they went back to just whatsapping and texting, so I cracked and reinstalled WhatsApp to keep in touch with them.
Liberia
No one I know use SMS for chat. The last SMS I had sent was 3 years ago.
I only use SMS for some communication because the only other form of communication my phone can do is calls. But I have to be careful with that because they’re paid and not unlimited.
Mostly because of the 400+ who remained on WhatsApp, the 45 of 50 decided to move back and the 5 probably are running both apps
True. They stick to WhatsApp as all th convo goes there and it laziness to switch over, copy data and all .
Srsly I hope people will start installing Signal once again.
