Since Twitter has nothing to do with Tesla (beyond the emotionally stunted owner) this is serious line being crossed. I mean - I don’t care about Tesla. But I do care about SpaceX and Starlink as they have serious geopolitical implications.
Some country’s leader disses Twitter and they don’t get to launch satellites. Or their people don’t get satellite internet.
This amount of power should not be in the hands of one rich guy with an inferiority complex.
SpaceX and starlink are dead in the water and utterly useless until Musk has them taken away. As long as he’s running those, they’re just shitty companies with lots of empty promises
SpaceX is the main contractor of NASA.
Because Republicans gutted NASA for decades. They absolutely loathed that it was a generally beloved program by everyone. And for every dollar of funding saw multiple times that in the value it created. What SpaceX did wasn’t something that NASA had never thought of. They just never had the funding to really pursue it. And especially in the wasteful manner Elon musk has.
What did spaceX do, exactly?
We’ve had re-usable spacecraft rated for human passengers since the Space Shuttle.
Reentry vehicle sure. Launch vehicle, no. The ocean floor is littered with booster stage debris. NASA had experimented with a lot of different methods to reach orbit. And had even looked at things that SpaceX eventually built. But never had the funding to build themselves.
SpaceX is nothing but the culmination of a Reagan era fascist fever, dream. Ofdismantling good governance. Privatizing everything possible and then price gouging.
I just saw SpaceX’s most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters.
I think they exploded afterwards, too.
Absolutely. But that’s only because Elon musk doesn’t mind throwing away money. He’s got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He’s blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time.
SpaceX has Musk handlers to keep Musk away from SpaceX.
I wouldn’t say they’re quite dead in the water but he definitely has plenty of power to enshitify them.
He already shut off the Ukraine from starlink when he felt like it.
Tit for tat Disney and Tesla.
If he fucks with SpaceX though, NASA can just stop dealing with them. They would go real quick from being profitable to begging for people to use their service.
If he starts getting a lot of back pressure from the EU and US on what he can launch, I can put a serious dent in his wallet.
SpaceX has never been a good investment for NASA.
Not necessarily SpaceX but they needed something.
The problem with NASA is that the funding waxes and wains with the administrations, as does the demands of the administrations to give them the money.
If something takes more than 8 years to happen chances are the project never comes to fruition. NASA has really slowed down in development in recent decades.
Not all the innovation SpaceX is doing is really warranted, though most of it’s kind of cool. But they are investing in research and development in places that NASA simply can’t get to.
Starlink is just a way for spacex to capitalize on that research and development. They are their own sister company customer.
That said they can all turn into dog shit in a matter of months if somebody got a stick up their butt
“when he felt like it” isn’t exactly correct, he specifically didn’t allow them to use starlink to launch attacks on Russia, as it was meant to be used only for defense.
The problem is, none of us have real knowledge about what happened there. All we have is conjecture and/or propaganda.
It’s equally reasonably possible that he has ties in Russia.
I mean, if you’re being invaded, doesn’t anything you do to fight back count as “defense”?
Not according to the USA initially
You can? Because he already has. Please do!
Don’t know why you’re down voted. They’ve been promising man on mars any day now for years.
The mars thing is really a small part of what they do, although it gets the press. They are pretty much the only real game in town for satellite launches, and, I think ISS transport (especially since Soyez is Russian and there’s not a lot of good will going on there…). Even Amazon uses them for launches. It’s approaching monopoly status for critical infrastructure (we’re very dependant on satellites as a society now).
Mars is a labour of love for future ambition, but it’s not the main show.
Whether the root cause is historically poor NASA funding or not (I think there’s a strong argument for competition and private sector IF it’s properly governed, but it never is…), the fact is that we’ve created a situation where vast amounts of geopolitical control rest with a single person.
Imagine buying a $50k car and they take away features because the CEO is having a temper tantrum and wants everyone else to suffer.
You’d have to be a fool to give this guy your money.
If only it was just money.
There are people joining waiting lists to let Musk put microchips in their brains.
You’d have to be a fool to give this guy your money.
A fool and his money are easily parted.
Can you imagine spending all that money on a car and expecting certain features, only for them to change based on the whims of a manchild who gets his feelings hurt?
Can you imagine spending that much money on a car where this is even possible?
Seriously, don’t ever buy a car that can have something uninstalled remotely without your consent. I can’t believe we’ve sunk this far.
Rich people don’t buy Teslas.
People who want to pretend they’re rich do.
It’s just a full screen browser. You can get it for any website. There’s a simple work around that’s been there for years that uses a YouTube URL to force full screen but then redirects to Google. Then you can just go to Disney. It’s really not that big of a deal.
Should be grounds for a lawsuit.
If not by Tesla-owners, then certainly their stockholders.
I couldn’t imagine seeing my investment take a dip because the CEO is having personal beef with another one of his poorly-run companies.
All his fanboys should be absolutely shitting bricks about this since Elon has been out there for years saying that people who purchase Tesla vehicles absolutely own them. He’s been spouting this bullshit since they got caught remotely crippling software features YEARS ago, but this is further proof Tesla owners are completely at the whim of a tyrannical douchebag who decides if you get the privilege of using something you paid for the way you want.
If it weren’t for double standards, he’d have no standards at all.
And neither would the fanbois
They won’t. His fanboys will find an excuse for his shitty behavior like they always do.
It’s like hoping flat earthers would suddenly come to their senses once they see the evidence. They won’t. They would find some other shitty excuse for their stupid belief.
Edit: stupid autocorrect. lol.
I do believe that flat feathers exists somewhere on this pale blue dot / sphere of a world. But methinks you accidentally added an “f” to eathers and don’t mean to talk about feathers.
Each time he pulls shit like this, more people see the light about him. This one is going to disproportionately affect people who either still like him or just thought that they could own a Tesla without being affected by his stupid shit. It might hurt the stock price as some come to understand that his Twitter feuding can boil over to his other companies. Today might be the best time to exit a Tesla position (or maybe that’s just wishful thinking).
I would guess that 80-90% of owners are ignorant (some willfully), or try to separate the man from the company, and not just unrepentant fanboys/girls
But yeah, agree on the fanboy thing. SpaceX too (which personally I find extra unfortunate since they’ve done some REALLY good things in the LEO launch market and space stuff in general).
I wonder how much of SpaceX’s success has happened not because of Musk, but despite him
I’m not even remotely a fan of the guy at this point, but from everything I’ve read, a lot of it was actually because of him.
Tesla too.
But also a lot of the negative parts of those companies, and failures. And at the Boring Company. And TwitX, etc.
Whatever contributions he’s made are rapidly evaporating, though. He had plenty of problems 1015 years ago, but the last 5 have been a massive, rapid slide in his contributions, reputation, etc.
Ah yes that must be why SpaceX employs multiple professional handlers whose responsibility it is to distract manchild Mosk with shiny bits whenever he gets close to making an actual decision
Even if true, someone can both be a piece of work and successful.
Like how a guy can be a complete moron piece of shit AND a top neurosurgeon.
Also that person can be a steadily worse neurosurgeon and become more and more just a moron piece of shit.
His fanboys are mostly reich-wingers nowadays, and they’re completely impervious to reality-based arguments
Reich-Wingers… nice i’m totally stealing that
Share and enjoy
Go stick your head in a pig?
I’m your plastic pal who’s fun to be with
Don’t forget that they are smug thinking they are saving the planet
Not sure how many diehard Musk / Tesla fans even believe in climate change
You ate correct, but they won’t waste any chance to be smug
Reich wingers are smug about that…?
EVs exist to save the auto motive industry, not the planet
I agree 100%
you don’t even own all the bits you do buy. you pay extra to unlock them. preinstalled, extra-cost dlc.
10 years ago if someone had told me that in the future the tantrums of a billionaire petulant manchild would decide what features are available in your already paid for car I wouldn’t have believed them.
I wouldn’t have not believed it, but I would be bummed to learn that we still haven’t made contact with three-tiddied aliens.
Truly the darkest timeline.
The darkest timeline would be we have made contact with three-tiddied aliens but they were only interested in contacting high ranking officials in shadowy, sketchy U.S. government agencies like the CIA and military. That is what a lot of conspiracy minded people would have me believe and honestly if that was true those would be some lame af aliens. Like… all of all the people on earth to establish first contact with, you chose those losers?
When they said you couldn’t make contact with the rest of humanity you were just like yup seems like these dipshits have the authority to decide that for the rest of humanity?
Those would be some lame aliens and THAT would be the darkest timeline.
On the other hand, 10 years ago there’s almost no chance you would think that the Disnet Chanel would be a feature in an automobile.
What a wildly weird time we’re living in.
Tablets, Netflix, offline video files, and mobile internet all existed 10 years ago.
The only thing that has changed is the level of control you have over the screen and where the content is coming from.
Features of whatever external devices you bring to your car, is not a feature of the car.
AFAIK, only Tesla has native video streaming from the interface screen in the car, so most cars still don’t have this functionality.
Bro 10 years ago was 2013
I was watching movies on a LG Optimus Link android smartphone in 2011
I would have.
Don’t know why the hell you’d need a streaming service in your car anyways
As someone who uses it a lot: you don’t need it. But it is nice when you’re waiting for someone, which I do a lot of because sigh I’m basically a soccer mom now. (Kids don’t play soccer and I don’t drive a minivan but…yeah, the comparison is sadly apt.) These days, my kids use it more than I do, since a few times a week they are stuck with me waiting for the other sibling to get out of their activity. Can all this be solved by just handing them my phone instead? Sure.
As of yesterday, pretty sure my Disney+ app was still there, maybe because we’ve used it before, per the article. My daughter would be upset if it disappeared, but if it does I’ll just bring a iPad and hotspot it. Whatever. Maybe I should be more upset about this but I’m kind of resigned to Musk being an asshole man-child and honestly kind of depressed about being linked to him even if I’ve had the car for years and generally love it.
Fellow Tesla owner, and you really summed up my feelings too in that last paragraph.
Books. Even when waiting for the other kid at a sporting event. Books. 45 minutes in, food. 1 hour plus? Some youtube. This is privilege working against the kids.
I think you’re replying to the wrong guy
I guess you don’t become the manufacturer of the brand with the most auto collisions without putting a big screen on the dash and offering a dozen streaming services.
Though I suspect there’s a correlation between being stupid / selfish / lazy / unpredictable and owning a Tesla.
Oh geez, I want to give you an upvote for the first half and a downvote for the second.
It’s a whiplash experience to move so quickly between fair-minded discussion and needless arrogant bigotry.
This entire thread has been rampant generalisations and shitting on an entire group of people for owning a product. Real Reddit energy which I ignorantly thought we’d be better about.
Yeah, Elon sucks, but all of a sudden that must mean Tesla owners are Nazis? Come on, what a load of bullshit.
If you want to call me bigoted against Tesla owners I will laugh at you and wear that badge.
I think a person that buys a car from a cryptofaciest’s company, known for their labor rights suppressions, poor build quality, poor design quality, poor resale value, and poor maintenance options, Is a dumbass.
As we all know, Dr. Martin Luther King’s speech…
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by
the color of their skinthe politicians they choose to support, the billionaires they give their money to, and the decisions they make, but instead by…Wait wut? Judging people for being shitheads is allowed?
Bigotry: Obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group
Being a bigot against Nazis is a-okay in my book.
Judging people for what they have done and what they believe in is 100% fine and compatible with Dr. martin Luther King.
Let’s be honest, Tesla is the new BMW, the brand associated with self-important upper-middle-class management pricks.
“BMW always stops with a jerk” has been a joke since before Tesla existed, and now Tesla has inherited the throne.
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More for passengers than for the driver. Or if you’re parked up.
Holy shit. Who wants products with this much control given to someone else?
I seriously have no respect for anyone who buys apple or teslas.
Bro, why you lumping apple in with musk?
Seriously, apple does a spectacular job at user privacy and security, probably second to none.
Because apple forced an album onto user’s phones just because they were paid to do it.
Seriously, apple does a spectacular job at user privacy and security, probably second to none.
Is this satire?
Let’s be real here, google and every other company sells you out to their advertisers instantly and even double dip and triple dip on your info wherever they can. Apple doesn’t and they take their security seriously. Feds are always crying about how hard it is to break into iphones, telcos are complaining how apple protects it’s users (because telcos have an interest in monetizing those apple users), and the payouts for finding security vulnerabilities for apple products are very high.
Google and apple are absolutely on different ends of the spectrum of user privacy and security
Yes but when push comes to shove, they prioritise money. See apple serves in china being accessible by the goverment.
I do agree that it is nice that apple has things that protects buyers from telcos but, I do feel like the no bloatware and no different phones in regions is a image move so apple products are more easuly understandable for the average consumer (so more money).
I will totally agree with you it all does come down to money, but I feel Apple/Tim Cook is still principled in this regard - he has made a stand that the customer is not the product, and the investors/share holders appear to respect this boundary so far. All that is needed is a shithead CEO to come in and squeeze every cent, which at that point might very well be to monetize users like Google. Anything can change tomorrow.
Btw I’m a hobbyist security researcher, and the more I study Apple/iOS/MacOS, the more impressed I am. I don’t actually have any apple devices, but I’m really starting to consider it
Inb4 Linux
Apple doesn’t and they take their security seriously. Feds are always crying about how hard it is to break into iphones, telcos are complaining how apple protects it’s users (because telcos have an interest in monetizing those apple users), and the payouts for finding security vulnerabilities for apple products are very high.
This only means that Apple don’t allow anyone else to do it, not that Apple itself does not do it.
True - show me proof Apple monetizes it’s users, then we can continue this discussion
Ever tried to read the Apple privacy policy ?
“free speech absolutist” lol
“Citing fire hazard, Disney bans Tesla vehicles from their properties, worldwide.” would be a hilarious headline.
That would at least have some data to back it up. This is just a man-child throwing a hissy fit because the free market decided it didn’t want to do business with Twitter.
I mean, Disney is run by adults, so I suspect they’re sitting over there watching Elon punch himself in the balls and laughing about it.
You’re just the right kind of evil, that’s amazing.
Chaotic good?
And here I am just now learning that cars have streaming media apps? That seems insane to me in the first place…
Pretty sure they can only be used when parked like when you’re charging. Even at a super charger, it’s going to take 20-30 minutes to get back on the road.
Ah I didn’t think of the charging times and maybe needing something to do while you waited. Alright, it’s suddenly much more sane.
Anyone but the driver could watch.
Oh well… if you have kids in the back seats and a long travel it would not seems too insane
Is there anyone left out there that hasn’t given their old cell phones to their children? My kids won’t watch tv, they’ll whip out phones when we’re all in the living room.
CEO of public company actively makes product worse because of business dealings at a seperate private company owned by said CEO. Not that Tesla shareholders don’t already have enough reason to be pissed, but good lord.
And it’s not a “feud” that would imply Disney is being petty instead of making the fucking obvious business decision to pull advertising spend from the dumpster fire of racism and controversy that is Twitter.
instead of making the fucking obvious business decision to pull advertising spend from the dumpster fire of racism and controversy that is Twitter.
Maybe it’s just me, but choosing where you advertise has always seemed like bullshit with no real evidence to back it up.
Do people really believe that Disney will lose customers if they show ads on xvideos? How do you even explain that to your children, who won’t see the ads there in the first place?
I can see a small media backlash that revives itself every so often, but that’s all. Frozen 3 gets announced and all of a sudden nobody cares.
Oh, Musk. You really wanna join the ranks with DeSantis?
You can not out lawyer the mouse.
He and DeSantis are already buddy buddy, DeSantis always seems to make sure to protect Musk’s interests whenever there’s some law change that effects Tesla/SpaceX.
Shit, Florida has already put provisions in place to protect SpaceX incase they accidentally kill someone.
Kind of wild how this guy feels entitled to have people pay him
Petty-ass move.
It’s all he’s got, aside from that apartheid golden parachute
Sounds to me like Elon is trying to blackmail Iger.
Instead, Tesla’s board moves to oust Elon. More likely scenario imo
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