I’ve been using Tutanota for a while now. Been interested in people’s opinions about Tutanota and Protonmail.
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I use both Tutanota and Protonmail and love both. Protonmail is based out of Switzerland where Tutanota is based out of Germany. Germany is part of fourteen eyes so I give the win to Proton there. Tutanota has lower prices. Tutanota has apps available in App Image and Flatpak for Linux where Proton is only in the AUR and as a .deb. Tutanota has an Android app on F-Droid where Protonmail you have to navigate their site to find a standalone apk. Both are on the Fediverse but Proton did leave for a while where Tutanota stayed and was more active. Overall both are good choices.
I’ve never used Tutanota but been a Proton Unlimited user for a few years now. I definitely like the mail service, and Drive and VPN are nice but can be slow, especially Drive. Everything else I don’t have much use for, and honestly I cringe when I see the new stuff they’re working on. Not that any of it’s bad, but it feels like they’re in the “can’t just make a good product” camp, constantly trying to add on new stuff instead of focusing on quality. Could have it all wrong, though, I’m just a person, not an analyst.
i immediately got defensive at this, but that’s just my sunk cost fallacy speaking. The fact that it’s a suite is what originally sold me; cancel my 1password/dropbox/PIA and still have money left over. But yeah apart from proton mail everything else is halfbaked, and in the case of protonpass i’d call it undercooked/raw.
+1 on that. They’re still struggling to make a good app for VPN on Linux while every other provider has sovlrd this ages ago. But overall a good service.
Yeah VPN app on Linux is ridicously bad.
To be honest, that’s probably less of a priority since most Linux users are likely to be comfortable with just downloading the configs and importing them into NetworkManager.
Personally, Linux VPN app is not something I ever had any interest in. I’d rather get a Drive sync client…
Well in a recent poll that Proton held in Reddit I think, Linux users were the first requesting an app.
I love Proton and have been a visionary member for quite a few years. They give visionary member so much space it’s nuts.
grandfathered premium sub 12$/year with a custom domain for my mails is what im using and I am pretty happy. Would recommend
Both are ok, but Proton is too weird, also IMAP issue for Linux users makes it even worse. Posteo is probably better service, than both combined.
How is Proton weird?
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I have been using both Posteo and Tutanota for a while. Tutanota has much more modern looking webmail and custom domains support. Both rock solid though
I like Tutanota, but find it visually annoying.
for me it’s pretty nice - though it varies between tastes for sure as my brother really hates it.
Heh, weird. Thats some solid data you are bringing forward.
I am fine with Tutanota. Simple and working. All the half-finished services from Proton are just really annoying for me.
What do you mean by “half finished services”?
half backed?
Ok, I meant what are the problem in their services? I personally really hate their Android email app, which have annoying bugs, but for the rest I’m pretty happy.
Oh sorry! I mostly hated their VPN app on linux: it’s not like their VPN is a brand new service and still they can’t manage to make it work painlessly. Switched to Mullvad and now I can forget to even have a VPN. And also the Android mail app could be better indeed.
All in all it seems to me that Proton makes sense if you can have the entire package: but once you have problems with one or more of their services (VPN, email) and need to look elsewhere, then you can find good alternatives at cheaper prices.
What half-service?
Did you try their VPN on linux? Bc I did
yes is slow/shit
Plus one for Proton. I’ve used Tutanota but enjoy the Proton suite. It’s been a while since I used Tutanota so can’t remember if they have a suite or not
Tutanota has e-mail and calendar. They are currently working on cloud storage.
Tutanota deleted my account due to not logging in for 6 months. That was rough.
Proton lost me in the testmonth. I wanted to cancel the auto renewing subscription about two weeks before it would habe been renewed and realized that they immediately removed all subscription-features. That disappointed me so much. That’s not fair, I think.
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“I have no evidence, but let me make an unsubstantiated claim and mention there’s YouTube videos about it and then recommend the very thing I said might be problematic”
In interest of a complete record, the video I found most compelling on the issue:
I’d love for you to disprove this guy’s claims. I mean this in good faith and will be checking back in the next couple hours.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/IeXaYR4ed9c
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
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In interest of a complete record, the video I found most compelling on the issue:
I’d love for you to disprove this guy’s claims. I mean this in good faith and will be checking back in the next couple hours.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/IeXaYR4ed9c
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
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That’s fair.
I do think this video lays out a clear case that Proton is not as open and anonymity focused as it could be. While going from those facts to a postulation that it’s a fed honey pot is probably a stretch, to use this as grounds to say “Proton isn’t as trustworthy as they claim to be” seems reasonable.
Thoughts on that line of thinking?
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Yeah, I think that’s a reasonable expectation from the service. The notion that it’s an end-all-to-beat-all service is foolish, but when properly incorporated into an otherwise robust personal protection plan, it can probably help with security.
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please stay respectful even when someone spreads fud
In interest of a complete record, the video I found most compelling on the issue:
I’d love for you to disprove this guy’s claims. I mean this in good faith and will be checking back in the next couple hours.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/IeXaYR4ed9c
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
In interest of a complete record, the video I found most compelling on the issue:
I’d love for you to disprove this guy’s claims. I mean this in good faith and will be checking back in the next couple hours.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/IeXaYR4ed9c
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Bulls*t. What the random YouTubers claim without evidence is also nonsense. It’s remarkable to allege that an open source and audited app is a honeypot. Well, find it guys, it’s open source.
In interest of a complete record, the video I found most compelling on the issue:
I’d love for you to disprove this guy’s claims. I mean this in good faith and will be checking back in the next couple hours.
I didn’t watch the video, because I don’t have 15 minutes to listen to what sounds like a conspiracy theory, but the source link for his info he put in description is dead, so that doesn’t inspire confidence…
Anyway, how would a Swiss company be a honey pot for the feds?
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/IeXaYR4ed9c
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Don’t have any real evidence to substantiate this,
Then why post it and spread FUD?
Seriously shit like this is ridiculous and should get you banned. I can make shit up with no evidence as well, but it does no one any good.
In interest of a complete record, the video I found most compelling on the issue:
I’d love for you to disprove this guy’s claims. I mean this in good faith and will be checking back in the next couple hours.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/IeXaYR4ed9c
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Then why post it and spread FUD?
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People please try to remember the rules about substantiating your content/posts.
Better graphic interface for proton and it come with vpn, storage (500go), proton pass, calendar, etc
I pay 12$ a month
Protonmail’s interface and mobile app is more refined and faster than Tutanota’s, and PM has more features on their free tier than what Tutanota provides on their free tier. Having said that, both are great email providers. I have accounts on both but I tend to use PM more at this point in time.
Tutanota is mainly an email service, with very basic calendar and contact functionality. Proton has a suite of apps, including Mail, Drive, VPN, Calendar, and Pass. I got the Tutanota subscription when it was €1/month and it works well for me.
I used to use both mail mobile apps, but found out that Proton Mail notification doesn’t work without Google Play Services, which is a deal breaker for me. So I use Tutanota as my main email and Proton as my backup and for its Drive. Either way, I’m just glad to leave Gmail.
Tutanota also has calendar. But I understand your point.
There’s this solution for notifications if you wanna try.
https://www.f-droid.org/packages/dev.lbeernaert.youhavemail/
Thank you. I’ve looked into it, but I didn’t feel comfortable logging in with my Proton credentials.
I am using Tutanota as my e-mail provider and it’s quite OK.
