Pornhub goes dark in Arkansas after age verification law kicks in::Pornhub operator MindGeek has blocked all users in Arkansas from the site after the state’s new age verification law went into effect.

    • @InvertedParallax@lemm.ee
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      392 years ago

      I don’t understand why they use pornhub, it’s so much easier for them to get actual sex with their favorite dating app: 23andme.

  • @Treczoks@lemmy.world
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    412 years ago

    Well, that basically is an age check. People of Arkansas are obviously not old enough to deal with porn when they support a government that produces such stupid laws.

    • @DarthBueller@lemmy.world
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      122 years ago

      Can’t believe someone whose user name is inspired by Nietzsche is toeing the line for Christian misinformation and spreading their talking points while simultaneously misunderstanding how content moderation works in the real world.

      • Dramachad
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        52 years ago

        tbf it’s hard to and they got a lot of complaints for false positives

      • @Captain_Nipples@lemmy.world
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        22 years ago

        I know a lot of Republicans that hate how both parties have become. We need some independents to vote for. There’s a lot of us that are caught in the middle. I agree with the small govt part of traditional Republicans, and agree with a lot of what the left has. For whatever reason. All we get is some bullshit extreme from either side.

        What about normal ass people that just want people to leave them the fuck alone, pay taxes, keep their roads working, and stop wasting (literally stealing) our fucking money

        • @Cody_Python13@lemmy.world
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          01 year ago

          Not every porn is child porn. Please stop acting like we are the bad guys and that you don’t think of anything sexual at all at any point in your life…

    • @lingh0e@lemmy.film
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      312 years ago

      To be fair, porn is a little lower on the “first they came for the -----” list than he was probably expecting. He likely thought he had a few more marginalized groups to take the fall before the leopards started eating HIS face. But yeah, reap what you sow.

    • Melllvar
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      22 years ago

      “We must blame them and cause a fuss, before somebody thinks of blaming us!”

  • @elxeno@lemm.ee
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    882 years ago

    Didn’t read the bill cause pdf and cause it’s a bill, but found another article describing it, and it says at the end:

    The bill also would apply to material that as a whole lacks serious “literary, artistic, political, and scientific value for minors.”

    Isn’t that like 99% of the internet?

    • key
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      Why are you against Pdf files?

      Edit: Though reading my question out loud I get it…

      • @elxeno@lemm.ee
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        32 years ago

        Just don’t like opening on phone, my browser doesn’t open, so it asks to download, then i end up with a bunch of random useless files there. Don’t u skip search results that lead to pdfs?

          • @nik282000@lemmy.ml
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            22 years ago

            They suck to edit but you can create them in most Free/Open/Libre software. It’s my favorite way to distribute drawings so that they print the same on every machine.

        • @Shardikprime@lemmy.world
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          12 years ago

          I actively search for them, moonreader catalogs everything. Having about half a TB on the phone file system also helps, but to be fair, since 2016 I never have filled any phone file system in a meaningful way

  • @gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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    712 years ago

    Dang, if kids just had some kind of guardians that would be responsible for their media consumption while every media device out there had basic functionality to support such supervision.

    • @YeeterOfWorlds@lemm.ee
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      -62 years ago

      Do you think the same way about physical media? Like, do you think we should be letting kids buy porn magazines? Or that it should be legal for someone to wait outside a school and hand kids porn as they walk home?

    • @ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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      222 years ago

      It is completely unrealistic to control kids media consumption after a certain age without also infringing on their rights to privacy. Basically, you can’t do it right as a parent. You are either helicopter parenting or you aren’t controlling enough. It’s funny how we shift blame entirely to parents on this while ignoring that it’s an impossible task. And I am not even a parent.

      • @gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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        172 years ago

        Every phone and computer has parental control options that allow for as much control as you feel necessary. And obviously as you kids gets older you have to trust in your upbringing - but that’s also completely on you, to teach your kids to deal with modern media.

        • Lakes
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          52 years ago

          I’ve been using the parental controls to lock out FOX and other crap.

          Sucks to suck.

        • @ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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          -92 years ago

          No, not every phone and computer has parental control options. What about the PCs at libraries and schools? What about older siblings? Other students? Friends of the kid? It’s completely unrealistic to claim parents should just supervise every media usage.

          People also aren’t robots where you put “upbringing” in and get predictable results. You can teach them all you want, unless you completely ignore all privacy rights of your children, you won’t be able to control their media consumption.

          • @gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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            172 years ago

            No, not every phone and computer has parental control options.

            Which one don’t have one? And even if there are few - it’s not hard to get one with for your kids.

            What about the PCs at libraries and schools?

            Even in my day and age we had restricted access to things on our school pc - learning to get around it was the only useful thing I learned in those classes. But here the same, there are software solutions to control access on local machines.

            What about older siblings? Other students? Friends of the kid?

            What about them? They all also have parents or people responsible for them.

            It’s completely unrealistic to claim parents should just supervise every media usage.

            Because they should not. They should teach children to use media and gradually trust them more and more to make their own decisions. Like with everything else.

            You can teach them all you want, unless you completely ignore all privacy rights of your children, you won’t be able to control their media consumption.

            And as I said, you should not -you should teach them and then learn to trust them - that’s hard part of being a parent, you don’t have control over your childs life.

            • @aesthelete@lemmy.world
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              No real side in this debate because I don’t have kids and am basically an anti-natalist but I don’t think it’s terribly important to control kids media access above a certain age anyway.

              It’s probably important to prevent them from accidentally seeing irrelevant filth, and may make sense to prevent them from accessing certain stuff before they’re ten or eleven. But I had near unfettered access to the wild world of the Internet from a young age and I don’t think it made a big negative difference.

              I personally think it was important to my development to be able to explore things on my own terms in the relatively safe way of accessing pages on the Internet.

              I do think, however, that social media is likely riskier than media consumption for children in certain age groups, but most parents seem to be a-ok with their kids mainlining that and worried instead that they may accidentally see a nipple.

            • @ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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              -22 years ago

              Which one don’t have one?

              The ones I mentioned directly after… Please, do not quote out of context.

              I feel like people miss the context of the original content and put words in my mouth. I was referring to the claim that parents can “simply” supervise, and should supervise, all media consumption of their children. Which I argue is impossible without infringing on the children’s rights of privacy.

              It’s like people misinterpret my point with intent. Or there is a huge language barrier I can not comprehend.

              You can not supervise every media consumption of your children. That is all I wanted to say. I didn’t even comment upon whether or not and how good it works (or not) to teach your children about responsible media consumption. That’s a whole different topic.

              • @gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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                22 years ago

                The ones I mentioned directly after… Please, do not quote out of context.

                So none. All devices have the capability to control access.

                Which I argue is impossible without infringing on the children’s rights of privacy.

                But that whole conversation is in context of governmental control vs. parental control. In my opinion governmental control infringes much more on everyones rights in this case. So obviously your statement is interpreted in this context, not in vacuum.

                • @ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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                  12 years ago

                  Parents do not have access to parental control on devices of other children, other adults, school, libraries, etc.

      • @illumrial@lemmy.world
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        422 years ago

        It’s not hard to talk to your kids about porn or the existence of sex. Masturbation is ok and natural.

        I think unhealthy sexual behavior comes from denying that masturbation and sex are perfectly normal and healthy activities. It’s important as a parent to let your kids know about the potential risks (STDs, pregnancy, porn addiction) and to educate on consent. Give your kids a roadmap and advice, but don’t blanket ban or shame and they should be healthy about sex.

        • @ParsnipWitch@feddit.de
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          -102 years ago

          Was that supposed to be a reaction to my comment? I was talking about expecting parents to supervise all and every media consumption of their children.

          • @dogebread@lemmy.world
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            82 years ago

            Healthy, open discussion contributes to a reduced need for parental controls and monitoring, but paired together parents have more than enough to help their kids develop into fully functioning humans.

            You make it sound like without strict monitoring 24/7 kids will turn into porn addicts and lose all sense of all other facets of life.

            The problem is that far right Catholic types won’t touch the subject on a personal level, and will try to abuse government to save themselves from what shouldn’t be but is an uncomfortable conversation.

        • @Caculon@lemmy.world
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          52 years ago

          It needs to be done at school. Sex is a part of lives (we don’t have more humans without it.) By teaching kids about sex (in an age approprate way) they can learn how to have sex responsibilty, how to see the signs that someone has ill intentions (no one touches you there without permission etc…), as well as the importance of consent. Teens are going to have sex so we might as well prepare them for it.

        • Balder
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          22 years ago

          Well, except the traditional parents don’t think that way or just won’t do it, so saying that doesn’t matter in the cultural context. I don’t think there’s a solution to that except moving to a place more aligned with our values.

    • @Icaria@lemmy.world
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      182 years ago

      I get the impression not a lot of people were reading, writing, or wiping there even when it was legal.

    • @canni@lemmy.one
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      -392 years ago

      In fairness, this is a state law. States rights being part of the Republican platform during my childhood. Just another reason not to go to/live in Arkansas

      • @Justice@lemmygrad.ml
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        122 years ago

        They used to claim they wanted a small government meaning not telling people what to Jack off to. It wasn’t solely about the federal government. Of course if you ask them you quickly find out it’s freedom for them to do anything they want while subjecting all of us to disgusting fascist fascinations

      • @GiddyGap@lemmy.world
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        482 years ago

        Small government is allegedly still at part of the Republican platform at the state level. For a small government party, they sure do like to dictate what’s going on in people’s bedrooms.

        • @galloog1@lemmy.world
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          112 years ago

          This is interestingly why Democrats once performed better at the local level. There was a sizeable block that would split their ticket on state lines.

        • @YeeterOfWorlds@lemm.ee
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          -152 years ago

          Is it?

          I think “you can’t show porn to kids” seems like something well within the authority of a state to make a law about, even if the implementation is hamfisted and ineffective.

          My understanding is that porn would be considered obscenity, and obscenity is generally not protected by the first amendment, and can generally be regulated much more strictly.

          • Flying Squid
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            72 years ago

            This isn’t “you can’t show porn to kids,” this is “you have to provide an official ID to see porn.” Aside from just basic surveillance state issues, what happens when there’s the inevitable data breach?

        • @DarthBueller@lemmy.world
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          42 years ago

          You know, there is a reasonable reading of the comment that doesn’t involve the assumption that they are telling people to move FROM Arkansas. Intentionally avoiding visiting the state, and intentionally avoiding relocating there, are quite different than the standard “LEAVE THE STATE” comment.

      • @Saneless@lemmy.world
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        152 years ago

        Republicans only cry States Rights when the federal government is attempting to make someone’s life better or when they want to take something away

        • @aesthelete@lemmy.world
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          They cry states rights as a tactic because they can control some states. If they had a supermajority on the national level they’d be passing abortion bans, contraceptive bans, trans bans, and any number of other abhorrent piles of garbage through at the federal level.

          Note how they give not a single shit about states rights to regulate firearms or allow abortions.

    • Iron Lynx
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      382 years ago

      For a party that prides itself on being all about “small government” and “no nanny state,” this is some surprisingly big government nanny state shenanigans

      • @aesthelete@lemmy.world
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        52 years ago

        The small government libertarian types were lowered in priority in the party after two decades of people pandering to them because there’s basically nobody out there that’s a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

        Trump and his grip on the GOP are evidence again of that same thing. There are more “conservatives” that are actually fiscal liberals and social conservatives than there are right libertarians.

        The rich would (for the most part) love to get the tax breaks and allow people to do whatever they want socially, but that (and virtue signaling) are not enough to rile up the fascist voters and evangelicals anymore.

        They’ve crossed the Rubicon with Trump and now it’s full on censorship and other Nazi tactics to take us back to the good old (non-existent) days.

        • @persolb@lemmy.ml
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          22 years ago

          I’m just going to sit over here in my fiscally conservative and socially liberal corner.

          (Although, I’m good with some level of safety nets still)

    • @Hadriscus@lemm.ee
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      There are a couple words I don’t understand here. Can you help me make sense of them ? it’s twars and plum.

      And what accent are you imitating here ? Arkansas ?

      • @ElmAndYew@lemmy.world
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        22 years ago

        “plum wore out” is a phrase meaning “completely worn out.” Twars I don’t know. Where I’m from it would be more like “whar’s billy bob gon git’is lovin from now?” Source: alabama

  • @TIEPilot@lemmy.world
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    82 years ago

    Not in Arkansas and not a porn consumer, but in this day and age how do you not already run thru a VPN or two?

    • @CoderKat@lemm.ee
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      172 years ago

      What kinda adult would care about your ISP knowing you watch porn?

      VPNs are often over blown. Their ads will make it seem like they’re some critical privacy thing, but these days virtually every website is encrypted (HTTPS). Your ISP can know the IP address you’re visiting (and thus typically the site), but pretty much everything else, including what page you’re viewing on the site, is known only to you and the site in question. VPNs had a lot more merit before HTTPS was ubiquitous.

      They’re still useful if you’re visiting illegal sites or using peer to peer technology (most particularly illegal torrents), but that’s not the case for many and certainly not for just viewing normal porn.

      • @TIEPilot@lemmy.world
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        -112 years ago

        So your ISP doesn’t have logs on where you surf. I run 2 to 3 at a time. No one (I hope) knows what I’m doing.

        • @Faresh@lemmy.ml
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          52 years ago

          VPNs have many uses, but I think it is overstated how much they provide in privacy. They can hide your public IP address, but your VPN provider still knows it (and you have to trust them that they won’t keep all the information on you). And you can still be identified by your browser fingerprint which a VPN doesn’t do anything about. Their encryption doesn’t add much either, since most traffic on the web is already encrypted via TLS or SSL (when you use https sites).

          They are however useful to access content that isn’t available in all regions of the world, when all you need is to hide your ip (e.g. when pirating (i imagine most governments won’t go through the effort to try figure out who is behind the vpn, but I’m not sure)), to allow you to access an institution’s intranet from home, to allow playing LAN games with your friends when both of you are on different networks and behind a NAT, or in any other situation when you need to use the internet with another IP or need to route traffic to another network.

        • @Vub@lemmy.world
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          32 years ago

          I have to ask, does a VPN really 100% anonymise everything? Like DNS and everything, so they can’t see the domains you access? Does this include the ISP but also the wifi router logs (for example on an open network)?

          So the only way to find out anything is to raid the VPN offices and backtrack your real IP…?

          It sounds like a too easy way to get away with anything online. 🤔

          • @aesthelete@lemmy.world
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            Privacy is a goal worth having in and of itself.

            I can’t believe there’s still people on here in the current political climate saying things like “well I don’t have anything to hide anyway, I don’t care if evil corp / the state / any curious person knows my every move.”

            Well, I do care. It’s none of their fucking business what I’m doing and what sites I’m visiting.

            • @Vub@lemmy.world
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              22 years ago

              I agree 100%, I was just wondering about the technicalities - how much does using a VPN protect us.

              • @aesthelete@lemmy.world
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                As far as I know, the only person who has information on what you’re browsing is the VPN provider. Your ISP would only see that you were connecting to the VPN, and how much data you were pushing and pulling from them but wouldn’t even have the domain names of the things you were browsing, nor any packets that were actually exchanged.

                The VPN provider could still have all of this information, but presumably not more unless you were doing a lot of stuff unencrypted or were using some weirdo middleware that could man in the middle your encrypted connections.

      • @nxfsi@lemmy.world
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        -62 years ago

        Some people say that a VPN is like a tunnel.

        This is actually incorrect. A VPN is actually like a condom.

    • u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)
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      62 years ago

      It may even speed up your connection.
      Taken from information for end users of Swan Mobile:

      If enterprise blocks, slows down or prioritizes selected ports or services, it will list them in the following table

      There you may notice P2P being limted to 1Mbps and Video streaming to 2Mbps.
      So… without VPN you can watch videos in like 360p. Oh, but it gets better, after you use 10GB on video streaming it drops to 1Mbps. So 240p? 💀
      With VPN you just get the general FUP limit of 300GB without limits.