A BBC investigation reveals that Microsoft is permanently banning Palestinians in the U.S. and other countries who use Skype to call relatives in Gaza.

Reportedly, Microsoft has been banning and wiping the accounts of users who have leveraged Skype to contact relatives in Gaza. In some cases, email accounts over a decade old have been locked, destroying access to banking accounts, OneDrive storage, and beyond.

United States resident Salah Elsadi lost his account of over 15 years in the dragnet. “I’ve had this Hotmail for 15 years. They banned me for no reason, saying I have violated their terms — what terms? Tell me. I’ve filled out about 50 forms and called them many many times.” Eiad Hametto from Saudi Arabia echoed the report, “We are civilians with no political background who just wanted to check on our families. They’ve suspended my email account that I’ve had for nearly 20 years. It was connected to all my work. They killed my life online.”

Many of the users affected by the bans expressed that Microsoft may be falsely labelling them as Hamas

    • @smb@lemmy.ml
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      78 months ago

      i am sure that only affects the data YOU can ever access, but never the data already stored for later abuse ;-)

  • Bezier
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    This is what I fear the most with these platforms. They have these shitty automated moderation systems that can just decide to delete everything you have there on a whim. Already common on places like youtube and facebook, but it just keeps getting worse. Every site is pushing users into signing in with their google/microsoft/whatever accounts.

    Remember the guy who lost access to his smart home when amazon banned him for no reason?

    • @Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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      It isn’t even on a whim. They get pressured to act on “anti semitism” and define that to mean anything that offends Zionists.

        • Silverseren
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          Not under their new owner, since he’s the one that pushed for the definition change in the first place, among many other blatantly biased changes to the ADL in the past decade.

    • @14th_cylon@lemm.ee
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      well it wasn’t for no reason, it was for stupid reason, which is different, but i agree with your sentiment.

      if you are depending on a platform where you are the goods being sold, not the customer, you shouldn’t be surprised if you are taken of the shelf on a moment’s notice.

      everyone has a choice.

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        well it wasn’t for no reason, it was for stupid reason, which is different

        Yeah, guess I ovesimplified a bit. For anyone not aware, it was one report of racism towards a delivery driver.

        The accusation was completely false, and even if the guy actually were a racist pos, remotely disabling devices he paid for and owns is not a good road to go on.

      • @Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
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        I use Gmail, and am concerned about the same thing. But of the alternatives I don’t know any that have wide support for social logins, which are damn convient.

        • sunzu
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          Look into zero knowledge email providers

        • @14th_cylon@lemm.ee
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          it doesn’t have to be clean cut.

          i have my personal and important mails in my private mailbox, on my own domain. i use gmail as a backup and spam mail, i use it everywhere where i assume the mail can go to some spam database sooner or later.

          so if i lost access to it one day, i would lose history of some confirmations from various eshops and shit like that, but nothing that would really cripple me.

          i would definitely not put my family photos there and hope they stay there forever.

          which are damn convient

          and that’s how they get us…

          • @Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
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            Yeah, see that is the issue. The social logins (though not for anything real money related) and the photo backups are so well integrated. Nothing really competes. My personal emails are even less of a concern to me than the rest.

  • @Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
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    Remember: today it’s “just” the Palestinians and you may not be affected or care. But tomorrow, it could be you.

    • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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      Yep. If you ever shared a political opinion, that could put you on someone’s naughty list. If that someone gets a position of power and decides they want to attack, well, you could be the next metaphorical Palestinian.

      • Deebster
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        Voting on Lemmy isn’t private (and is probably for sale on closed platforms) so just upvoting an opinion might be enough to get you on some lists.

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          Downvoted your comment just to be safe

          Man, messed up innit. & how could it be made private without enabling a whole different set of bad actors (astroturfers, marketers, political axe grinders)

    • @smiletolerantly@awful.systems
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      I have always been pro-privacy, but in a kind of lukewarm, “I wish someone would do something about this” way.

      What has finally pushed me to ditch services from large corporations over the past couple of years is not really a concern for privacy, its a drive for self-sufficiency.

      As basically the last stepping stone, as of a couple of weeks ago, my email, calendar and contacts are self-hosted, and it’s just… So freeing.

    • /home/pineapplelover
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      First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
      
      Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
      
      Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
      
      Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
      
      —Martin Niemöller
      
  • @johny@feddit.org
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    Could it be that our ally is running an extermination campaign against a civilian population? No, that’s impossible. They all have to be terrorists, and contacting terrorists is against our terms of service.

    • @archchan@lemmy.ml
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      No, it’s standard corp level behavior that’s beholden to government censorship and propaganda when it doesn’t fit the narrative. You can substitute any big tech company in the US for Google. They all do this. It’s why the government is not a fan of TikTok, they don’t have that same level of control over the flow of information.

      • @DeVaolleysAdVocate@lemmy.world
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        that and it is quite literally spyware that sends all the consumer data to the CCP where they can adjust their own algorithms to show things that can sway the minds of people too young to think critically

        • ඞmir
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          it is quite literally spyware

          So are Facebook and Instagram, which are apparently not a problem. Remember Cambridge Analytica?

          where they can adjust their own algorithms to show things that can sway the minds of people too young to think critically

          Every social media platform does this for maximum retention

          to the CCP

          What’s the CCP gonna do with it that’s worse than what Western companies do with it?

        • @SSJMarx@lemm.ee
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          58 months ago

          the cpc adjusts the American version of an app operated in Singapore to propagandize Zoomers

          This only happens in the minds of the paranoid. China has their own version of TikTok, Douyin, which operates under their media restrictions.

        • @pop@lemmy.ml
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          they can adjust their own algorithms to show things that can sway the minds of people too young to think critically

          Ironic. You’re literally commenting on companies adjusting their algorithm to create a narrative and censor something your government doesn’t like.

          Think critically next time. You’re not smart as you think you are.

        • @generichate1546@lemmynsfw.com
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          The hell do you think the data from American companies goes‽ Snowden literally told us the US govt is doing the same thing…not saying they should, just asking where is the outrage that we’re being spied on by our own government… It’s plenty there when we’re being spied on by China… And quite frankly I feel like China can do a lot less to me than home can.

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      All of these are a shit stain from the same asshole of corporate USA

    • @CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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      What the fuck, MIcrosoft.

      Ok, honest question. Are you surprised?

      If it was any other company I would be. But it’s Microsoft.

      • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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        Yes.

        I’m no microsoft fanboy, but I am shocked that they would do this. Everyone should be shocked. To be anything but shocked is to be complacent.

        This is the kind of shit google does on the regular, Never heard of Microsoft doing anything like this before.

        And as I’ve said in response to instances of google doing this, I’ll say it again here. This continues to highlight the dangers of having all your eggs in one companies basket, by choosing comfort and convenience you’ve given your entire digital life over to a company that has no compunctions against metaphorically guillotining it for any reason they want.

        • @CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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          This continues to highlight the dangers of having all your eggs in one companies basket, by choosing comfort and convenience you’ve given your entire digital life over to a company that has no compunctions against metaphorically guillotining it for any reason they want.

          I agree. Which is why I don’t use anything Microsoft. Even in software projects I go out of my way to not use a single Microsoft dependency or library.

          I self-host my own photo auto-upload with Nextcloud. I don’t use Windows. I’m forced to use MS stuff at my work but I managed to get the company-wide policy changed to allow anyone to use Linux or Mac, so I’m running Ubuntu.

          I’ve also been working up the effort to ditch stock Android and go with GrapheneOS.

    • prole
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      Here? On Lemmy? Where did you get banned for saying that?

    • @cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
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      I’ve mostly seen comment removals. Mods seem to use the option to remove comments instead of the downvote button… I tried to make a forum for mod abuse and discussions about how forums are moderated, but so far nobody is using it.

      Post to !mods@sopuli.xyz if you notice patterns of that sort of thing, maybe we can get it going.

      • Todd Bonzalez
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        I have some notes:

        None of what you’ve posted in that community includes enough context for me to make an informed opinion about the mod actions themselves.

        The first post you made 7 months ago includes a screenshot, but it doesn’t include the OP, so I have no idea what the Mod is even reacting to. For all I know I might agree with them. You also say it is on the “main meme sub”, but I have no idea what that means, you really need to indicate the exact community you are talking about.

        The next two posts don’t include anything tangible. No screenshots, no permalinks, not even usernames for the allegedly misbehaving mods. Only one of them actually says what community you’re talking about.

        None of what you’ve posted so far constitutes a “pattern” either. You’re mostly just complaining about one-off disagreements that you’ve had with Mods. This isn’t really doing anything to help hold mods accountable.

        And in your posts so far, you make a lot of extremely suspect complaints:

        In your first post you claim that a mod removed a meme for being “not funny to feminists”, which kinda sounds like code for “sexist meme”. You then go on to say that the mod “is surprisingly tolerant for a feminist”.

        In your second post you say that a mod “removed comments that weren’t feminist”, and sarcastically bemoan “so much for politics”.

        In your third post claim that a mod removed a comment for “not voting left”, but then go on to complain that others in the thread (not mods) called this person a Nazi. I don’t see what any of the other users comments have to do with anything if your goal is to hold mods responsible, but it’s also fairly telling that you think being called a Nazi is disagreeable, but won’t provide the context…

        Quite frankly you come across as a anti-feminist shitlord who has decided to be a busybody and make a whole community for you to be butthurt about feminist and anti-fascists mods. The reason nobody else contributes to the community you started is because you’ve set the bar so miserably low.

        • @cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
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          Those are great notes, thank you! It’s kind of a low-effort community though, I must confess. I figured if more people wanted to be part of it, it could become more serious with better formatting. Since that hasn’t happened, I just threw in some stuff now and then to have any content at all.

          Quite frankly you come across as a anti-feminist shitlord who has decided to be a busybody and make a whole community for you to be butthurt about feminist and anti-fascists mods. The reason nobody else contributes to the community you started is because you’ve set the bar so miserably low.

          But yeah, you’re right that might have meant I set the bar low. I was never much of a content creator. As for anti-feminism, yeah I am anti feminist. Not because I don’t support and respect womens rights, but because under the guise of feminism, men become second-class citizens, due to the unfaultering belief that women always deserve more, and that being a man is a sin that should be punished. But that’s not what the community is about. Anybody is free to post there.

    • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      -168 months ago

      You can’t say war crimes are bad, because that helps Trump win. Trump will do more war crimes. Ergo, saying war crimes are bad means you’re in favor of war crimes.

    • @bamboo@lemm.ee
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      While I agree enthusiastically, does Skype even have a dominant market position, let alone a monopoly?

      • @Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
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        108 months ago

        I’m talking Microsoft. Having this much control over means of communication is alarming. And Microsoft continues to grow.

        Hypothetically, I wonder if they can just block Microsoft accounts alltogether, denying access to (now, kind of mandatory MS account) Windows machines.

      • @dev_null@lemmy.ml
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        48 months ago

        Why does it matter? If they ban your Microsoft account because you had an upside down Xbox sticker on your fridge, is it relevant if Microsoft has a monopoly on sticker manufacturing?

        Skype doesn’t matter because they don’t ban you from Skype, they ban you from everything, including things they do have a dominant market position on. And also from Skype, which doesn’t matter as much.

        • @bamboo@lemm.ee
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          38 months ago

          When I posted that comment I was thinking specifically about Skype, not MS as a whole. I agree MS is well more than large enough that it needs regulation.

          • @oo1@lemmings.world
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            It’s the “bundling” angle again, very hard to prove the dominant position. But them linking it all to the one account is an important feature that ties the bundle together.

  • @smb@lemmy.ml
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    one does not become dependent on tech giants without a critical loss at some day, no matter whats the “reason” for it and they tend to do weird stuff within or without laws…

    For others or for a new start and how to avoid such in the future (maybe “migrate” your relatives to secure services “before” you get ripped off):

    • get your own domain like somestupidtext.info make sure the toplevel (.info .com .net or whatever) has laws that let you effecticely reclaim your domain if one of the providers block something or fail to do their job. also make sure you do not fall into only-first-year-very-cheap traps for domain prices. maybe check that the toplevel domain is not one regulary found to be used by spammers and thus maybe blocked by some providers.
    • use one company only for DNS related things, maybe name.com, but there are plenty others and lots of generic hosting providers also provide dns-only hosting.
    • get some provider to host email for your domain or run your own emailserver and set mx records to that mailserver.
    • configure and change valueable services to your email addresses under your domain
    • make sure you have a local(!) copy of all your emails that automatically updates itself, if you can, at least daily, offlineimap checked in into a git repo could do a good job
    • if one provider sucks, change it and leave the rest as is.
    • the setup alone already shows the provider, that only gov (of that toplevel domain) can effectively block you, as when the email provider tries to block you, you find a new one and change MX records (and obviously cancel and stop paying the blocking one), if the DNS provider tries to block you, you get a new provider and transfer the domain to it, if that fails a lawyer could help) also the small providers have usually no way to know what you do on another account at another company, only if you put your whole life into the hands of the few known big evil ones, you are that vulnerable to the chaos they produce.

    also setting up recovery addresses (if possible) is a good idea, like when one email is unusable for whatever reason, the provider already has a known email address from you to start a recovery process, of course that second email address MUST be out of reach of the provider of the first one, that is, if you have somemailprovider.com address and one at microshits, then microshit buys somemailprovider.com, you have to change everything from that somemailprovider.com to a new one just to stay secure. due to this, your own domain with a connected email service of a random hosting provider comes in handy as you would not have to change all the email adresses but only that random email provider. also if skype/zoom etc does not work for you, there are plenty of other ways to do video talks on the internet. i prefer to be independent for same reasons even though i haven’t been blocked yet, i just saw the signs of possible approaching evil because of the shitflow big evil tech produces all the time just to flush their believers view of what would be possible down the drain and choosed independence ahead of losses. following signs like leaving companies with red flags (like just too big, like already robbed their users, like give a shit on their users security, like give a shit on their bugs and blame users while their own big-tech-company-network is pwned by someone unknown for month and such) a more privacy aligned messenger that supports videocalls would be for example matrix, there are multiple clients to choose from and lots of providers to choose from (also self hosting or becoming a provider is possible while for talking to each other it is NOT necessary to use the same provider, but again self-hosting of course is most-secure) one cannot do things securely without knowing a bit about what it is. to learn more about dns, email, matrix or other topics the internet is full of informations, sometimes wikipedia is very helpful and linux user groups exist for talking about stuff and helping each other. the type of support is different and -as i see it - much more efficient, but different, there is no one to do it for you (or you get into the very same dependency trap again) but you are encouraged to learn what it takes to do so and do it yourself.

    example prices from a random dns provider: .de 10€ / year .eu 16€ / year

    random mail provider imap email 100GB storage 3 € /month

    that is having more control over your email than when using big tech, may cost you more or less 4€ per month (and maybe the learning time to set everything up). for matrix server one might use managed services, looking around i found etke.cc with 5€ as a base minimum when you provide your own VPS for it, but with many other options too. maybe the free hosting announced by element.io where i did not look into yet is an option too. i prefer my own domains and servers, but just using separate hosting companies for dns, email and matrix gives a whole lot more control while still beeing a simple and adjustable setup. while matrix does not lock you in into one instance from the beginning (i can chat/call from/to my own account/server to any other account on other servers while beeing able to try this out using a multi-account-client that connects to all acvounts/servers at the same time) they now have bridges so one can use the same client to chat with others on telegram or whatsapp (and others) too, so this is rather the opposite of vendor lock-in. while a matrix hoster could still block your account in error and if you did not use your own domain for your matrix account at the hoster, you could connect to your friends again from another account at another hoster as you would still have their matrix adresses stored in your client. however to securely use matrix one should read about its security mechanisms and what backup keys are and why one should validate new connections.

    if you had the loss, at least take advantage of the message/lesson: big tech is too powerful and thus insecure. maybe do three steps in parallel: choose and migrate to smaller providers, more providers each for different things, if one f**ks up, everything else stays in place, thus less stressful on problems. second step in parallel: get yourself into DIY your digital life. every little step into independence is a step more powerful while removing the very same power from big tech to attack the stability of your digital life. third step in parallel: share your problem including the possible solutions, which you choosed and how it went to those you think might take advantage of that information ;-)

    • @recapitated@lemmy.world
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      I love these ideas but self hosting is simply not a solution for average citizens who aren’t skilled at such things. To them it would be like paving their own highway with bridges and also maintaining and policing them. It might be easy for you and me, but that’s because we have training and experience and we chose this way. It’s not a justifiable opportunity cost for most people.

      I think a different kind of org than the googles metas and Microsofts of the world is in need, like a compute & communications co-op that can actually compete on that level of capability offerings, accessibility, performance and security.

      • @smb@lemmy.ml
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        i think it should not be too difficult to compete with m$ security, that is at least true for the state of the last 30 years or maybe more.

        But something like a non-profit organisation - or a bunch of them- that make self-hosting for essential services (like email, messenger, video calls) a charm could be a big win for billions of peoples.

        • @JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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          Pfft even a shitty DNS host could do that.

          eNom is supposed to forward all emails from one of my domains to Gmail. I get maybe half of them. Really gotta get around to moving that over to SimpleLogin and Cloudflare.

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    Friendly reminder to not use freemail accounts (Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo, etc) for anything important. It’s very hard to get any sort of support as your account is seen as low-priority. Also, always use your own domain so that it’s easy to move to a different provider in the future, without having to change your email address.

    FastMail and MXRoute are good options. MXRoute has good Black Friday sales and all their plans include unlimited email address and domains (you’re just limited by total disk space).

    Microsoft’s paid plan is decent too. $70/year for a personal account or $100/year for a family account (up to 6 people) and it includes the Office suite, 1TB cloud storage, and email.

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        Do you have an example? That’d block pretty much every business customer, including paid Google and Microsoft users (as the paid accounts use a custom domain). I’m not sure which sites and services would want to block all business users like that.

        Also, FastMail is definitely mainstream. It’s pretty popular and has been around for 25 years.

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          It’s at least common on forums as bots love making accounts with non-megacorp email addresses on PhpBB and MyBB forums. Typically, there aren’t people signing up the same services with business emails as personal ones, so if ones expecting not to be used by businesses want to fight spam, it’s generally pretty effective and consequence-free to block email providers not known to have effective anti-bot measures built in.

        • @LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml
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          There were 2 online game stores that wouldn’t allow me to register with a protonmail account, AllYouPlay and another one that I can’t recall, which was weird to me

      • @ben_dover@lemmy.world
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        i’m using my own domain for mails for 15 years now and never had any problems. and i sign up on a bunch of sites

        • experbia
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          same. I see outrage-obsessed people constantly talk about how using a custom domain or (gasp) running your own mail server is internet suicide and literally impossible because your addresses won’t be seen as real or your mail will never get delivered by anyone. I’ve been doing both for over a decade with no trouble whatsoever, so I wonder how badly these folks are botching their mail setup to be getting that treatment.

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            I run my own email server, but I use an outbound SMTP relay so that my email get delivered. It’s very very difficult to get emails from ‘new’ self-hosted mail servers into the inbox of Outlook/Hotmail users, unless you own the whole /24 IPv4 range used to send the emails, and can guarantee it won’t become anywhere close to spammy.

            Since you’ve been hosting yours for a while, Microsoft might have it marked as ‘trusted’. It takes a while to get to that point though - you need to send them quite a few emails, and users need to not mark them as spam.

      • @PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
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        This is largely an issue with top level domains. Things outside of .com/.org/.net tend to get flagged as non-viable email addresses, because it doesn’t fit the specific “*@*.com” format that the site has programmed their scripts to look for.

        Also, spammers and scammers often tend to use TLDs outside of the big three, because the domains tend to be cheaper when they don’t end with “.com”. So the spammer is able to buy and cycle through their domains much faster, because they’re saving money with every single domain registration.

        • @Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world
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          Nah not for the big providers. The biggest problem is not having RUA for DMARC set up at all, set to None for the action or having an email in the RUA that will give a bounce message back to a sender (or not having DMARC at all in your DNS). The safe thing to do is set up SPF, DKIM and DMARC (correctly).

          You cant always control getting into a spam box from time to time if someone in your IPs /24 makes it onto popular spam databases but that’s very temporary but it is also very possible someone in your /24 is always on the lists. You can check yourself and there are both scripts and sites that will check most of the popular ones for you.

          /24 is a very popular CIDR to use for stuff like spam filtering or internet facing IPS.

        • @smb@lemmy.ml
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          because the domains tend to be cheaper when they don’t end with “.com”.

          did a quick check with a weird domain name to not hit reserved ones etc,.

          on one domain hoster .com was the second cheapest, only one other offered was cheaper all others offered were more expensive than .com looking at name.com it showed some bit cheaper ones like .pro or .life but majority seems definitively more expensive than .com also most spam i got (as long as i got spam) was genuinely (spf) from .com domains that days. however i do not really get much spam any more 😁

      • @smb@lemmy.ml
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        really i’ve had that problem once (and only once in > 20years of self-hosted emailling), and guess what? competitors are available, problem quickly solved.

    • @Wilzax@lemmy.world
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      Or if you have a little more money, there’s the Proton pass which comes with VPN, Email, Drive, Calendar, and Password Manager. All protected under swiss privacy laws. They have a free tier of their drive with 5GB storage so you can collaborate on other people’s documents without needing to pay yourself, and they have a $120/yr US Tier for 500GB for 1 person, and a $288/year US Tier for 3TB for up to 6 people. If you don’t need that much storage and don’t care about anything other than the email, they have a 15GB plan with just email and calendar for only $48/yr US.

      This is not an ad, I am a real person with no connection to Proton except a deep respect for their business, and an even deeper hatred for Microsoft

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        58 months ago

        I think Proton is a good choice. I’ve heard good things about them.

        For me personally, I’d be worried about putting all my eggs in one basket. For example, I like having my password manager (Bitwarden) entirely separate from everything else. I know that’s not how the general population thinks though, so I think all-in-one solutions like Proton (and also Microsoft’s and Google’s paid suites) definitely have their place.

        Do Proton have a larger plan with just email and calendar?

        • @Wilzax@lemmy.world
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          18 months ago

          I think I’d rather have proton be my password manager than anyone else out there, and then take advantage of the other services they offer with it. Unless I wanted to keep my password manager entirely offline, which is far more secure but far less convenient

          • @Petter1@lemm.ee
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            18 months ago

            If you use a keepass file, you can just have it on a trustworthy cloud (like private nextcloud server) and sync to the keepass apps via webDav. Works perfekt!

        • @lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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          18 months ago

          I think Proton is a good choice. I’ve heard good things about them.

          Well they have been behaving just as Microsoft has been doing if we’re complaining about these kinds of behaviours. Handing over information about environmentalists and freedom fighters to repressive governments, etc.

      • @dan@upvote.au
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        98 months ago

        That’s a reasonable question.

        A lot of people are already paying Microsoft, either for OneDrive space or for Office. In that case, you may as well use what you’re already paying for. They’re also much more likely to provide support if you’re a paying customer.

        I wasn’t saying to give Microsoft money, I was just saying that their paid plans are good value, particularly in the case where you need Office.

          • @dan@upvote.au
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            58 months ago

            Ah, I didn’t realise it affected paid custokers Thanks for the info.

        • @jdnewmil@lemmy.ca
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          38 months ago

          Having used the web version of Office at my job, I know I would not pay for it. It is compatible-ish, but severely lacking in features, enough so that I don’t trust it to render properly or maintain the formatting entered using the desktop app. If that is good enough then there are lots of alternatives.

          • @dan@upvote.au
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            18 months ago

            The plan I mentioned includes the desktop apps, not just the web apps.

            The web version of Excel is way better than Google Sheets IMO.

    • bitwolf
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      18 months ago

      MXRoute looks awesome! I just switch one domain to them to try.They have a lifetime plan right now that looks nice.

      I was eager to replace the email bundled with my registrar. Speaking of, could you recommend a registrar that has a similar experience to these?

    • capital
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      38 months ago

      Fastmail is the shit. I feel it’s really underrated. Everyone on Lemmy just knows about Proton.