TL;DR - which privacy-focused search engine do people recommend, preferably one that can also easily be used as a default option in Safari?
I ditched Google in about 2016ish I would guess, and since then have used DDG as my default search engine.
As someone entrenched in the Apple ecosystem, it’s always seemed like a sound choice, as it’s one of the search engines built in to Safari on both iOS and macOS.
After spending a bit more time recently playing around with and updating my Docker containers, I started hosting a Whoogle container, which seemed to work pretty well, but I don’t see many out there talking about it, so not sure how good it actually is. I then tried a SearXNG container, but either had it misconfigured or just wasn’t getting many search results back.
At the moment I’m trying out Startpage, but I know there are potential privacy concerns since they were part-bought in 2019 by a US ad-tech company.
I’m also playing around with different browsers at the moment, flicking between Safari, Firefox and Brave. At which point I stumbled across Brave Search, which seems pretty promising.
So, which search engines do you all recommend?
UPDATE: Probably should’ve done a poll! But latest (if I’ve captured everything correctly) is:
- DuckDuckGo - 10
- Qwant / SearXNG / Kagi / Brave - 4
- Startpage / Ecosia - 2
- Google - 1
As to my other questions around browsers:
- Majority seem to use Firefox
- Some mentions of Brave
- One mention of Arc
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Mullvad Leta
I started paying for Kagi a few months ago and I’m loving it. Search results and tools are great. People balk at paying for a search engine, but at least this way I know I’m not the product.
Kagi has been great. I’d like to see more searches on their $5 plan as 300 searches a month doesn’t feel adequate. It has been great being able to promote, demote, and block sites from searching and I have found my results to be more helpful and relevant than Google alternatives I tried. I don’t think I have used Google search at all since signing up. Highly recommend.
I’ve been loving my kagi trial. I used my 100 searches. I’ll wait to see how long I can suffer before I buy it.
The weird thing for me is that by paying to use, you will need to be uniquely identified, and that opens doors for losing privacy in several ways. How is that addressed by kagi?
They address this on their website and go in further detail on their privacy policy. You’d have to read through that to decide if they do enough to earn your trust. But in my opinion not having any advertising removes most of their incentive to try to collect user data. I suppose there could be a temptation to collect the data to resell, but since a large portion of their income relies on the reputation of being a search alternative that has a focus on privacy I feel the risk to their reputation would be greater than whatever revenue that would generate.
Of course there are all kinds of companies that flew too close to the sun and sold out user privacy for a Coke and a smile. I’ve decided to go with Kagi and have been very happy with them so far. If they ever sell out I’ll cash out, but they seem to be the best option for me right now.
I’m seeing a lot of love for Kagi as well. Not sure I’m quite ready to have to pay for search results, but I fully appreciate people that do. I have lots of subscriptions already and am trying to reduce them (i.e. self-hosting Vaultwarden as a replacement for 1Password).
I often recommend people using the “100 searches” trial of kagi to see if it might be worth it for them. I tried it and for me the price is worth it because of the custom filters and weights for results. It’s really nice to search for something and all results on the first page are relevant content (no ads, seo-bait pages or stuff like Pinterest).
I remember the days when a Google search would usually get me what I wanted in the first result. And if not, at least it would be on the first page.
Now it’s a mess of sponsored links, videos, and other irrelevant suggestions.
People don’t even know what that feels like I think. Google has messed them up.
Been using Qwant for a few years. Good enough for 90% of searches imo. For whatever’s left, I’ll use DDG, Google in incognito, or Bing.
privacy focused … called qwant
Hmm.
I am currently trying my luck with Brave Search.
But I am to this day quite dissatisfied with any Google alternative, as they all either lack boolean search capabilities, filters for search results (e. g. by site or by image size) or a combination of both.
Bing claims to support the site parameter and boolean searches, but it simply doesn’t work (go to the second page, if needed): https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Awikipedia.org+Linux+OR+Chicago
Same for all the other alternatives I’ve tried to use. I am honestly wondering how people are able to find anything with, for example, Bing or DuckDuckGo …
Are you only doing simple searches, like “nearby restaurant”? How do you search for something that has multiple valid names (OR) and you want to limit search results to before:2015, if the search engine doesn’t support search operators?
Someone pointed me in the direction of these guides:
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/syntax/
Yes, but it doesn’t work.
- Bing claims that the parameter site is supported: https://support.microsoft.com/topic/ea595928-5d63-4a0b-9c6b-0b769865e78a
- Bing claims that the boolean OR is supported: https://support.microsoft.com/topic/b92e25f1-0085-4271-bdf9-14aaea720930
So according to Bing’s documentation, the search parameters for this example are the same as Google’s parameters and my search string should work just fine.
But look at my Bing example: I am looking for Wikipedia pages that either contain the string Chicago or Linux or both. Instead of the expected result, Bing gives me results from pages other than wikipedia.org.
The exact same search works just fine with Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awikipedia.org+Linux+OR+Chicago
DuckDuckGo is even worse in my opinion, as it doesn’t support boolean OR searches at all.
I use presearch. Pretty happy with it. Never paid out my rewards, they’re just growing
Default search in Firefox: SearXNG (List of Instances) (solves 60-80%)
if not the solution, I then search for “dd [term]” which goes to duckduckgo. Solves mostly the rest.
If not, and I am really desperate, I try: “dd !g [term]” so it goes to ddg, redirects to google and then I am reminded how bad a first page result can be. Only ads, sponsored entries and only big company names. Good luck finding anything from a forum or a small blog on google today. All the search words are bundled up in company results that has nothing to do with the topic.
You don’t use an adblocker?
Sure. But how is that changing the quality of google results? Are you trolling?
I meant because you mentioned there’s nothing but ads which would be gone with an adblocker. Did you mean the actual results are essentially ads or literally the ads and Sponsored post at the top?
Sponsored results. I do not see ads, but I can see from the thing that I was searching for, and the difference between the that abd the first 4 results, that this can not be a real search result but a highly customized and profiled result. The results are just straight garbage.
Have a look at uBlacklist it removes a lot of the SEO rubbish for me
For search engine, I go with SearXNG, and for web browser, Mull. Or hardened Firefox, on PC.
Do you use a self-hosted SearXNG, or one of the other hosted instances?
Self-hosted under a VPN would be the way to go if you want to be 100% sure.
The problem with public instances is that you can’t really know what the owner does with the data. There are safe ones, and malicious ones. I’d just look for one that has a good reputation.
Yeah I have a self-hosted one but I’m struggling to get results. I posted under another comment on this thread, was just gonna ask for some support troubleshooting.
Completely agree though, self hosting over public instances all day long.
Thanks, I’ll take a look. I didn’t know about that post.
I’ve had a pretty similar journey to yours and I’m currently using Qwant, although the only reason I’m using them is because they’re based in Europe and haven’t had any scandals that I could find. If you’re really concerned about privacy I’ve heard good things about Kagi.
They have a partnership with Microsoft. Not saying it’s a scandal but that was my reason to stop using it
It’s so difficult to compete with free though. The monthly fee for kagi is a bit steep, which is not for everyone (>5 €/month), even if that is the ‘true’ price of searching the web. It does have some very interesting features though. A colleague of mine is always praising it, saying that the search results are better than anything else he has tried.
My own searxng instance, listed at https://searx.space
Perhaps I need to go back to figuring out SearXNG. Although I did read that there’s a slight privacy compromise to use SearXNG over SearX.
Perhaps that doesn’t apply if it’s self-hosted, though.
Using self hosted SearXNG as well. If you have docker running already it’s a snap to setup.
Yeah I’ve got Docker up and running with lots of containers, but wasn’t getting any results back from SearXNG for some reason, kept getting timeouts. I’ve got everything running behind Traefik so might just be a bit of a config issue.
I probably wouldn’t expose it externally to your network, but that’s just me. Unless that’s what you’re doing, there aren’t really any ports to expose with Traefik.
No, I’m using local DNS in Pi-hole with a domain I own but nothing is externally accessible. And even if it were, I’ve got Authelia on all my containers (except, Vaultwarden because I can’t get it to work).
Brave!
Just using duckduckgo. I’m not happy with my search results as they heavily prioritize clickbait CEO blogs instead of showing official documentation / sources.
Duckduckgo results are pretty bad in my experience, brave search and startpage are way better.
Brave search user here (on Firefox ✌️), i prefer its UX and UI more than duckduckgo. It has better local result for my region, has discussion-like feature, now also has “summarizer”, and it also still has bangs. So far they are not shy showing “search elsewhere” button.
Do you use it on mobile? Have you had any success configuring it as default search on mobile because I gave up (iPhone)
Would love to know this, and this did form part of my OP in terms of which search engines could be “hacked” into Safari.
Duckduckgo was brutal on my battery I switched back to Firefox
I’ve been using DuckDuckGo for years now and recommend it all the time.
I get decent, reliable results so haven’t shopped around.
Been a duckie for years now but I find myself going back to google for things like maps and shopping (that nearby search is a godsend) have you found any privacy mindfull alternatives?
On Android you can install Organic Maps, but the downside is that you’ll need to download the maps for each area you want to have a map of (which, takes storage)
OsmAnd+ seems to be a good alternative recommended often, but I just haven’t used it.
On PC, OpenStreetMaps is your friend
Unfortunately not. If anyone knows of something I’d be keen.
On Android you can install Organic Maps, but the downside is that you’ll need to download the maps for each area you want to have a map of (which, takes storage)
OsmAnd+ seems to be a good alternative recommended often, but I just haven’t used it.
On PC, OpenStreetMaps is your friend
This. Clean, reliable and functional. Although I’ve never wrapped my head around how they make their $$
They still run ads, just less profitable ones since they’re less intrusive, aren’t personalised, and most never see them anyway because if youre on DDG in the first place, you’re also likely to be using adblock.
They place ads in the search results.
If you disable your ad blocker, the first search result will almost always an Amazon ad. I test searched for “Headphones” and it also shows a row of JBL headphones at the top ala google shopping, which is an ad as well.
Really, they make their money the same way as google, they just don’t track your searches and site visits.
Do you find DDG to be slower than Bing or Google? A few years ago I thought there was a noticeable delay with DDG, but not with Google.
Not really, they’re both nice and snappy.
I’m using Ecosia. Planting trees FTW!
I run a pihole to block ads network-wide. I tried doing a general search for a bit of info on it and didn’t find much, but I guess my question is are the ads they run more like sponsored results, or like actual advertisements?
You can find info here: https://ecosia.helpscoutdocs.com/category/314-privacy-friendly-search-engine
TLDR they have ads, but related to your current search, not your profile. And they are Bing based.
