Who is surprised?
I’m in the process of switching to Linux on my main rig; still got a lot of shit to figure out but it’ll be worth it in the end.
And no, I’m not being a Linux fanboy, I’m just tired of being Microsoft’s bitch.
That’s how it starts. Gabba gabba we accept you, one of us, one of us.
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These labels are pointless anyway. Use tech that respects you as a user. Microsoft is not it.
At this point, I think they are actively trying to drive us away.
The Elon Musk Maneuver.
It’s like the Picard Maneuver, but where you just warp straight in front of your enemy while simultaneously shitting yourself.
They will certainly succeed at driving some people away. I was a lifetime Windows user and I currently don’t have it installed on any of my machines now. I think the average Joe is blissfully unaware other than the occasional dialog about a new feature coming their way.
I think they are going to lose more of the hardcore tech community with decisions like these, but I don’t know that they care.
In most situations i agree with you, but i think when it comes to the purchase of techie things (like which computers and OS a company should use) then the opinion of techies matters. Their opinion may not matter as much as it should, but in aggregate over time it can cause large changes in purchasing decisions
I hate being bothered. Linux, while overall almost botherless, still looses to windows.
But damn me, when Win 10 loses support, I am jumping to nobara. Win 11 seems to be win 10 with every addon being something I harbor dislike for.
I do like the convenience of Windows and I’m still on W10, when it loses support I’ll be switching to Linux too.
Linux, while overall almost botherless, still looses to windows.
Been using mint for around 2 months and I would say this is pretty accurate. Pretty much every game I play works out of the box. Discord however crashes the whole system sometimes and I can’t figure out why. Would still recommend Linux over windows but you will for sure encounter more issues.
Try vesktop. Maybe that will help.
but the “hardcore tech community” guys are the IT guys of all companies. so this means a lot of the people who are in IT related meetings and have a say in which OSes to install will now be opposed to Win11. A lot will probably suggest waiting to hopefully be able to skip 11, but some will choose alternatives.
News flash, a lot of the hardcore tech community already used Linux and would’ve pushed for it in related meetings.
Using Windows isn’t a sign of advocacy, it’s a sign of legacy. Companies don’t want to swap and change things.
Right but if Windows is now becoming a problem then it’s a start. And so many software developers I know use MacBooks for their job and say that they’re just better for the work. Microsoft is hoping that the fear of change means they can do whatever they want, if they even have any thoughts in their thick heads at all that is, and don’t seem to realize that at some point even the most devoted users will have to face the fact that there are better options.
Fuck Windows, it’s such an ass product that’s only selling point right now that some key products don’t work on anything else simply because the developers of them don’t want to do the work and not because it has some magic sauce that a Mac or Linux machine doesn’t.
They don’t care and you really don’t matter in the big scope of things.
There was a time when they did try to listen. Since 11 was being imagined, it all was downhill. I used to work for them and all messaging changed once 11 was being worked on
To be honest, they probably are. My pet theory is that they’re trying to do what do many politicians are doing - drive away everyone but the strongest base electorate that will stay with them no matter what they do. And then, the grift starts. I’m reasonably sure sooner rather than later they’ll start charging a subscription fee to use Windows, and people and companies will bend over and pay it…
If you cant uninstall the software, it isnt your computer. If you tell it to do something and it says no, it is not your computer.
I dont understand why people tolerate anything else. Its maddening.
Because they make it easy and do a few cool things.
“Do you want a mic in your home that can record everything you say and do and send that data off to wherever the company chooses?”
“No of course not.”
“What about of it will also turn your lights on and off and play despacito on demand?”
“You son of a bitch, sign me up”.
This is also the reason why typing on the TV is so bad and the remote has a huge microphone button on it.
Microsoft also wants to use 50 gigabytes of your hard drive space (for the Recall snapshots) and make you buy AI co-processors or their software won’t work. They want to use your property to create their own Skynet.
Yeah they want you to pay for the hardware to train their crappy ai, pay for the OS so you can train their crappy ai, and then also provide your data to train their crappy AI.
And in return you get to use Windows.
Soeaking of coprocessors…if it’s not in the cpu die, I wonder if we can just desolder the stupid AI chip.
Do you tolerate the TPM/fTPM in your computer? Can you deactivate it? Can you query it? Can you tell it to do something?
I don’t even know what that is
Yes, you can remove and interact with your TPM chip. I don’t know why you’re coming in so hot on this person, your last name Ballmer or something?
On Arch you can easily uninstall Linux.
The fun part is that there are even legit reasons to do so, the by far most likely one being that you want to use a different package that provides you with a kernel, such as linux-lts or linux-hardened. Definitely know what you are doing in that case though!
Linux in general and Arch in particular are kinda laissez-faire in that they’ll allow you to shoot yourself in the foot. Some distros may put barriers in your way, others practically hand you the gun, but at the end of the day, the gun is freely available and it’s your own foot that you’re shooting.
I agree but technology hasn’t really been “ours” for a long time. Rooting, jailbreaking, and open source is the only way to take back a modicum of control.
Reading MS description of Recall, I am struggling to come up with a scenario where it would be any use. Sounds like the backspace button would work almost as well at a fraction of the resources needed.
As a forensics analyst I can’t wait lol
There’s a smell of it being some pet project of a big architect.
Windows 10 had a feature called ‘Timeline’. It wasn’t particlarly wanted by many people and it cluttered up an otherwise somewhat useful task overview. It was canned.
This seems to be that guy saying “Hey, I know you canned Timeline on me and called it a failure, but that’s just because we didn’t AI it up, and now we can and everyone is going to want it!”
Yeah, I feel like any program I would want to use this in already has Ctrl+Z to do just that.
Can anyone think if any use case at all?
Ok, has anyone got DCS World on VR working on Linux? I really want to ditch my Windows gaming machine, I already don’t use it for anything serious, but this is getting ridiculous.
If you have dual GPUs or an iGPU plus a GPU, you can use passthrough and play your games with near native performance in an isolated Windows virtual machine under Linux.
Ok, but what happens when you shut down the virtual machine and start it back up? Do you have to reinstall the game?
Also do I have to have 2 expansion slot GPUs or will the MB built in GPU that is not being used, work for this purpose?
To answer the first part, when you shutdown the VM, your stuff will persist, so no you will not have to reinstalled all your stuff on the VM every time.
For the second part of your question, (to my knowledge, please correct me if I’m wrong) no Mobo has a built in GPU, some CPUs have integrated graphics and I believe you can get that to work on the VM as well. Otherwise you could use integrated on the Linux host OS and use your GPU for the VM exclusively, but your overall performance may take a hit when not using the VM
Thanks!
You are correct I was referring to the integrated graphics chips, but forgot what they were called. It was like 7:40 am when I asked that.
False. The hard drive where Windows lives will soon find itself exiting my window
Ah the ol’ defenestration uninstallation.
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Nah, loot it for the magnets at least. Frisbee the platters, save the chassis for the scrap bucket (it’s solid aluminum).
I’m glad I just setup Linux two weekends ago. It was simple to install all of my hardware worked well. I only miss a couple of minor features like the LED software and my overclocking software.
And those really aren’t that big of a deal since I haven’t had a failure to play a game so far.
It was at least 20 years since I tried Linux, and the changes are wild. I didn’t even choose a simple distro and haven’t even had too difficult of a time.
Didn’t they say the same thing about Internet Explorer, it was part of the OS and can’t be uninstalled or disabled…
Then, antitrust legal action against Microsoft and it turns out they can enable it being removable. Whoops!
They are doing a lot better about baking stuff in these days. If you uninstall edge on windows you unironically break a lot of systems, can’t even play Minecraft or use teams lol
Webview2 is the edge component that is assumed to be installed on all Windows computers. Unlike runtimes which a launcher could detect is missing and install, Webview2 doesn’t have a silent installed that can be bundled. The user must, by hand, go to a website, select their CPU architecture, and install it.
Anyways it’s clear that, at least within the Windows org, Microsoft is the new Oracle and teams are pointing guns at each other. Hopefully it dies quick to avoid this slow decay.
Teams isn’t a loss, but MS are scumbag greifers for messing with my Minecraft.
Fedora KDE or Linux Mint is the way
cinnamon, gnome, xfce? Many flavors of Mint
Hmm, I wonder if there could be an exploit where Recall is covertly turned on, so it can be used to exfiltrate data. Not a good idea to basically have a surveillance rootkit sitting passively on your system, with no ability to remove it, just waiting to get abused by attackers. But using this proprietary garbage OS nowadays isn’t a good idea in general and there is a much better alternative.
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There’s always the Microsoft telemetry blocklist in pihole. If you can’t stop the computer collecting the data, you can stop MS getting hold of it.
It’s not a 100% guarantee, they can easily bypass your DNS by either just connecting to another DNS sever over plain, unencrypted DNS (UDP on 53), or use something more sophisticated like DNS-over-TLS or DNS-over-HTTPS.
You can reroute unencrypted DNS requests to your Pi-Hole using a firewall like OPNSense, but things get more complicated with DoT and DoH
Windows does have its own command-line package manager. I don’t know if it can remove Recall, but last I checked it could remove Cortana. It would just get reinstalled soon after, but that could be prevented with some file-naming trickery. If you give a file the same name as the folder used to have and make it read-only, it couldn’t remake the folder and wouldn’t reinstall.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you can still do that now.
Which one do you mean? Winget which is their newest attempt at creating a package manager that isn’t an absolute piece of garbage, or their crappy CLI for managing MSIX/APPX modules? Because I remember using the latter to try and remove Cortana back when I first tried Windows 10. Fast forward, I removed all the garbage I didn’t need, applied a Windows update, restarted my PC and it was all reinstalled. I wiped that SSD the same day and went back to Linux. This was the last time I used Windows on any of my personal devices.
I was talking about Appx. I haven’t used Windows in a while, but that was how I got rid of Cortana. The key part was the read-only file named after the folder that couldn’t be replaced.
I’d say you didn’t actually remove the garbage. “Settings, apps, uninstall” doesn’t really get rid of it, the deployment package is still hanging around.
You need to use powershell to de-deploy those packages.
It’s a bit like the difference between “apt remove” and “apt purge”
You need to use powershell to de-deploy those packages.
Oh I did, I spent hours looking up different pwsh commands and package names to clean it all up
What was it, not even two months ago when they said they “listened” to us and that they wouldn’t go forward with Recall? And we all said they would still roll it in later when the dust had settled? Yup, we were right.
It happens every time…tech companies are not worried what users think because users don’t care enough to switch to Linux.
At that point they said that they wouldn’t go forward with Recall in the current state. It was never in question that it would come eventually. The question was in what state?
Whoops we turned the heat up too quickly and the frogs noticed. Just turn it back down for a bit then begin heating up again, just a little slower this time.
Not use Windows 11 you say? Install Linux you say?!
Even if you can’t cleanly remove it, you can probably delete a few system files and break it. It’s not like the whole thing will be baked into kernel32.dll.
Good point. Sounds like the kind of company I want to do business with. /s
Sometimes you have to fight with the OS to make it work but that should be due to a bug (or my incompetence in using it). When it’s not working because it’s actually working on someone else’s behalf you can probably delete the whole fucking thing mate.
I’m actually enjoying the Linux learning curve because I know it’s not working against my interests.
On the other hand, every time I’ve had to go “under the hood” with Windows (Registry settings, config files) it’s been to prevent Microsoft from doing something sh*tty to me.
Cortana and IE break the OS if you fuck with the registry hard enough. When I deploy W11 to my building I wonder how much GP is gonna need to be setup to fix this bullshit
Not yet…
Install Linux, it’s easier, leaner, faster than windows shit, it’s also free, does actual security, and won’t ever spy on you.
Send in the down votes
Does Lemmy not like Linux all of a sudden…?
There are more users now, some are tired of the Linux recommendations in every thread.
They are wrong of course and should just switch. :)
It’s not that, it’s mainly because they’re tired of being browbeaten and having their freewill raped by someone who is basically being just yet another marketer. A marketer that is pushing a free product. To them, it’s just one more obnoxious annoying ad that they have to deal with and block.
We fucking get it, Linux is there, they know. They aren’t switching in the numbers that you’re to meet, mr.free marketer. They just want you to shut the fuck up and leave them alone.
And that automatically puts you in the wrong everytime. So take your pompous attitude and choke on it.
Bit weird to be so angry about this. The commenter is not ‘basically just another marketer’ because they have nothing (financial or otherwise) to gain from others using linux. They genuinely believe it is a better product and it is in your interests to use it.
Direct your anger at Microsoft if you feel as though you are being forced to do anything, they the ones choosing to enshitify Windows, and removing it as a viable option.
When you’re going around on EVERY. SINGLE. MICROSOFT. THREAD. to say “GO ON LINUX! IT MAKES YOU HARD IN YOUR PANTS!” YOU are by and large, being a marketer. Just because you aren’t getting paid for it or aren’t directly affiliated, doesn’t remove that ability that you’re going around advertising for this product.
Bit weird to be so defensive on this and re-purpose what marketing is when you just outlined what marketing is like.
No I won’t direct my anger at Microsoft, don’t you tell me shit. I’m directing my anger at you and the OP because of shit like this with the whole Linux parade that always happens whenever anything is reported about Microsoft.
I would’ve thought that Linux usage going over 1% for once in a long time, would’ve been enough to shut you guys the fuck up. Guess not. Gotta inflate numbers. Gotta promote GROWTH!
So sick of you Linux clowning fanboys parading your free advertising. Bit weird of you to justify that, ain’t it? Bit weird.
Stop raping people’s free choice already, just stop. You don’t see Windows users telling Linux users to go use Windows, do you? No, you don’t.
Loser
Cry.
You think people choose Microsoft Windows because of free choice? You know it’s pre-installed on every computer right?
New users don’t make an active choice. Windows is default. Alternatives are better than windows, but must be recommended to users so they know about it.
Nobody is attacking your free choice, they’re literally trying to give you another option. That’s what free choice is all about.
If you are making an informed devision to remain with windows as it gets worse and worse, then that is up to you, but don’t come at people for trying to offer you an alternative just because you’ve made that decision.
Users being passionate about a free product because they love it… Is that marketing? There is no agenda here besides wanting to help other computer users not be exploited.
The behavior of big tech is unacceptable and users would not choose to be treated like that if they had an alternative. They just need to find out about that alternative. Linux users are really passionate about this because we know it’s an amazing operating system.
It’s not that, it’s mainly because they’re tired of being browbeaten and having their freewill raped
Ok. Stick with the company that’s forcing recall on you.
Okay, I’ll stick to an OS that currently don’t have that feature and still got a few years left of extensive support. Of which I’ll still be on said OS even if support truly ends, by which comes time to consider upgrading, Microsoft will already be on the next Windows version.
See how your blatant and baseless assumption falls apart? Idiot.
If only driver support was the same as in Windows, or if windows drivers other than networking ones can be used in Linux.
