Tesla’s value plunged nearly $200 billion since mid-July – and the EV maker faces a bumpy road ahead::Tesla shares closed Tuesday at just over $233, well down on their 2023 peak of $291.
To put this in perspective, Tesla’s stock price has still more than doubled since the beginning of the year. They’re doing just fine.
The past few weeks have been rough across the market. I suspect the reemergence of COVID has played a factor.
Anyone who actually follows the market knows it doesn’t follow logic and doesn’t actually represent the health of the company or the economy.
How about since their ATH?
Oh… It’s at a 43% bargain.
52 weeks high? Yep, still a bargain!
Nah, they’re not doing fine.
Apparently not since the big investors are getting out/reducing investment.
200 b-b-b-b-billion…!
Where’s my cybertruck already?!?!
Still up 1,000% over 5 years…plenty of room to fall
Setting aside anything related to Musk, Tesla really doesn’t seem to be staying competitive.
Cybertruck (and the “indestructible” window press conference) is probably the easiest example. Years of attempted hype that haven’t paid off in a meaningful manner, while rivals have been releasing in-class competition. Anyone can see that’s a problem.
Tesla cars used to be pretty revolutionary, now they’re in an entirely different era that’s filling with exciting EV alternatives around every corner. Yet Tesla style still looks the same. The shoddy construction is still around and becoming more widespread knowledge. They’re failing to attract their target audience due to a long series of missteps. More problems.
Not to mention that Tesla was downright overpriced at its height. It’s a fraction of the volume yet made other automaker valuations look minuscule. The logic for that was never there.
Who else has hands free driving on local roads?
Mercedes for example - and it works better than Tesla’s on shitty roads.
Mercedes for example has two cars that just launched FSD this year. Vs Tesla who has 4 cars that can do autopilot for 3 years or more. Again I’m not trying to say Tesla is the best car, I’m trying to say they have differntiated features that few, if not any companies have had over the years, and yea that does not excuse their CEO from being a total douche.
Mercedes for example has two cars that just launched FSD this year on local roads. Vs Tesla who has 4 cars that can do autopilot for 3 years or more on local roads. Again I’m not trying to say Tesla is the best car, I’m trying to say they have differntiated features that few, if not any companies have had over the years, and yea that does not excuse their CEO from being a total douche.
Not Tesla, FSD requires hands on at all times while stuff like Supercruise does not.
Supercruise doesn’t work on local roads, drive assist does. I can keep my pinky on the wheel and give it the slightest pressure every few minutes when prompted. This is a God send in stop and go city traffic. I used to have super high stress in traffic every day, now I let the Tesla do all the stop and go braking/keeping distance and it’s way less stressful
Who else has hands free driving on local roads?
… keep my pinky on the wheel
In what world does hands free include keeping your hands on the wheel?
In what world does touching your pinky on a wheel ever minute or more qualify has tightly gripping your hands at 9’ and 3’oclock position. I get it you hate elon.me too. I still think the Tesla gives me a driving experience very few if not anyone else can replicate, especially on local roads. No one has been able to dispute me on that besides some dude that quoted the new Mercedes that launched this year. That sounds like Mercedes trying to keep up with tesla, not the reverse
Elon is a douche nozzle, does that make you feel better? Have you ever actually driven a Tesla thru city traffic ?
Hands-free by definition requires no hands. You are using terminology that is incorrect on the internet. Expect to be corrected.
Everything else you replied to me is you being super defensive. I never stated anything else other than what you are taking about is technically not hands-free.
Exactly. So many of the naysayers haven’t used fsd first hand, so they don’t know how close they are to solving a huge problem. And no one else is really even trying anymore. Ask a graduating senior in IT or robotics where they dream of working and it’s Tesla.
If you’re using FSD without your hands, you’re not doing what you’re explicitly supposed to be doing.
So basically you’re saying that so many of the naysayers haven’t used FSD the wrong (and dangerous) way.
I’m using drive assist without my feet, I can keep my pinky on the wheel and give it the slightest pressure every few minutes when prompted. This is a God send in stop and go city traffic. I used to have super high stress in traffic every day, now I let the Tesla do all the stop and go braking/keeping distance/keeping center and it’s way less stressful. I know other manufacturers have drive assist but I’ve driven my siblings BMWs Mercedes Maseratis Jaguars Land Rovers and (unless you’ve got a 2024 Mercedes) none of them are as easy to use as Tesla.
I fucking hate Elon musk by the way, and I’m not a Tesla fanboy, they do a lot of anti consumer bullshit I dislike. I just think to over correct and say the cars have nothing better to offer vs competitors is disingenuous
Again, that’s not how you’re supposed to use it.
Again, that still differentiates this company vs any other car. The entire argument we’re having is that they don’t do anything different than anyone else.
Not competitive, lol. They sell more EVs than anyone. Almost 1/4 million a quarter.
They have a massive head start, but that will not last.
BYD is not far behind them and VW is closing fast. 2022 EV volumes
Have they even released that damn truck? It’s been years and I haven’t seen one while the s,3,x, and Ys are everywhere when I go to work
Nope. First production one completed in July, nearly four years after the first press release. Supposedly customer deliveries at some point of Q3 2023, which is basically down to a month left.
The first truck was also “completed” right before their quarterly earnings, which I’m sure was a coincidence. No other trucks have been publicly shown to be assembled.
Good luck with this post. This sub is the worst now. Trolls all over the place, downvoting facts and just flat out lying.
What exciting EV alternative can I buy right now for the same price as the model 3, that offers everything Tesla does?
Ioniq 5, more expensive, no supercharger network. Mach E, more expensive, no supercharger network (yet). BMW i4, more expensive, no supercharger network. EV6, more expensive, no supercharger network.
I honestly don’t get where people get their information from and just pull shit out of their ass. If you want a new EV with fast charging, you can’t beat a model 3.
Let me add a little bit more context. Tesla can’t even meet their current demand. Currently, no automaker can. They are all battery constrained. Everyone is rushing to build plants and mines, just to scale up. The demand for EVs is there, but no one is building more because the batteries aren’t available.
Besides Musk…it’s the fact they are still using the same design from 10+ years ago. When I see a tesla, I can’t tell the difference between the S & 3 or the X & Y. They made one car and scaled it in their software. All 4 cars are due for a redesign and they don’t need to all look identical. And they need to figure out how to actually assemble them without being shit.
Model S3xy? Why Elon, just why…
The model X looks like an inflated model 3 IMO, the first time I saw one IRL it looked kinda hideous
If memory serves, the only reason that they couldn’t go for the Model E, is that Ford has/had a trademark for it, so they went with Model 3 instead.
I’m not a car guy. There happened to be a tesla showroom at the mall (wtf?) I was at with some coworkers for lunch, and one of them was dying to look at the new model X, so we made a detour. It was the first tesla I sat in.
I couldn’t believe how cheap and tacky it felt. Everything was plasticy, leather felt like pleather. The giant tablet just seemed unnecessary and gaudy.
The tech was cool and all, but I couldn’t believe this was what everyone was talking about.
I feel like the vibe is a reasonably nice car from the 80s that someone put a huge tablet inside. I agree I find it really off putting, but I know people who love it so 🤷♂️
Never mind unnecessary and gaudy, it’s dangerous. Pretty much all car functions are on that touchscreen, meaning you have to use it while you drive.
Which functions are on it that you need to drive? The only one I can think of is the climate control, but I just set mine on automatic, or adjust it at a stoplight. It’s pretty good.
Nothing wrong with that if it’s successful. VW used the same design language for the Beetle/Van/Truck for ages.
Exactly people say this but then not about Mazda. Every single Mazda has the same design scheme. There’s nothing wrong with that, if it works for the company fine, but like, “oh they all look the same” is invalid as a complaint against them.
Tesla has many other things you can diss on them for.
Same design language and copy cats are different. I can clearly make the difference of a Jetta/Passat or Civic/Accord. They obviously share a similar design but are definitely their own. Tesla’s on the other hand, I couldn’t tell you the difference of the X or Y. They look identical. Even the sedans look damn near identical. And no other car company keeps the exact same design for 10+ years (besides Toyota and the 4Runner)
Most people can’t tell a Macan from a Cayenne or a 911 from a 718, doesn’t matter what enthusiasts think, normies are the people who represent the majority and they’re buying the cars anyway.
While I agree Cybertruck may have jumped the shark, I recently noticed …. After years of GM saying cylindrical batteries are not practical and pouch batteries are the only way to go, and Ultium is more advanced than anything Tesla has …. They’re redesigning EV models early to switch to cylindrical batteries like Tesla
The only reason GM (and others) tried to tout pouch cells is because there was a complete lack of cylindrical production capacity available. Tesla was using it all.
What are you going to do, say we’d rather use these other batteries but we can’t, so here you go?
I am ecstatic that most of the major manufactures have finally decided to transition to prismatic and/or cylindrical.
I wouldn’t even be surprised if regulations one day prevent use of pouch cells for automotive purposes.
Give it 5 - 10 years. Tesla will be a company that makes and maintains a charging station network and sells batteries to the other auto makers.
It’s becoming increasingly obvious that they can’t hack it in an automotive sales industry. Which is fine, frankly. I think battery manufacturing and charging network are pretty complimentary industries and provide a decent revenue stream into the future, License the charging tech to other automakers early and get some vendor lock-in going, and the company could be in it for the long haul.
They might even be able to keep making a couple EVs, to prove new charging or battery tech, much like how Google keeps making Pixel phones to essentially prove and market new Android features.
and sells batteries to the other auto makers.
My limited understanding of the matter is that their batteries are overpriced and nothing special compared to alternatives.
The real game changer that seems to be coming down the pipeline is the solid state battery Toyota has been teasing. If they manage to bring that to market while holding important patents on the technology it’s basically game over for other kinds of battery for EVs.
Are you referring to Tesla’s 4680’s or the cells that Tesla gets from Pansonic?
Re: Panasonic
Tesla’s been refining their cells with Panasonic for quite awhile and have done things like substantially reduced the cobalt used compared to others (at least as of couple years ago). I’m not sure what the differences in wh/kg are compared to others today.
Panasonic is also much more efficient at making those cells at scale which gives Tesla an edge on their cost.
Tesla has always made their own batteries (the grouping of the cells). Their battery + BMS on the other hand is substantially better than other manufacturers. They can manufacture the battery much cheaper than others, and the BMS keeps it running smoothly.
For example - The Fords Mach E performance model can’t (or couldn’t) even do more than a launch or two before having to throttle itself due to heat. They currently have recalls happening due to contactors having problems with heat.
Re: Tesla’s 4680 Cells
Right now, they’re nothing special from a wh/kg perspective, what they’re main goal for them is to be substantially cheaper to manufacture than the cells other manufactures make. If you can make them for 2/3 the cost you’ll have huge advantage over everyone else, and then also you don’t have to pay the mark up to Panasonic or LG either.
Only time will tell if their chemistry/anode/cathode improvements will make their cells better than what other manufactures are producing now and in the future. Personally, I’d be nervous to get a 1st / 2nd gen version of these cells/batteries while they work things out.
Re: Solid state
If that ever happens and they are cost competitive to produce, then that’ll be a big deal ya. What if they aren’t cost competitive though?
Will you be willing to pay $10-15k more for the same range but faster charging, higher safety, and more lifecycles?
You’re right though, they are the future eventually.
Toyota has been teasing this for years now. It’s a bit like fusion energy at this point, always on the brink of a revolution that never comes.
Tesla makes batteries for $80/kwh. Everyone else is paying $120.
Cybertruck is a symptom of poor leadership. Maybe after it flops, Tesla will clean house.
Musk only owns about 14% of Tesla. The other stockholders should clean house of the board and CEO.
I dont get how this is news. Teslas market cap was already higher than all the other car makers combined while only producing a fraction of the vehicles. Everyone knew that this stock wasnt a value stock. Where is the news
ELON BAD
Yes, but not sarcastically.
Agreed.
Maybe anecdotal but I bought a Kia EV6 over a Tesla because of Musk and CarPlay support. I know I can’t be the only one that took that into consideration.
There was a time when I wanted a Tesla, before Musk went altright…
“Hur hur, Twitter go brrrrrrrrrrr” - Musk
It might face a bumpy road but the reality is the core reason for the drop is the amount of stock musk has sold to cover his idiotic decisions recently
Such a remarkably overvalued company. I’d be surprised if it’s still around in a few decades. Feels like they’re the MySpace of today - they’re big and have first mover advantage but have nothing interesting down the line and newer companies will and are supplanting it.
I’m sure they’ll be around, but I don’t get how their market cap was more than every other car company combined.
Did people think they made something other than cars, because even if they were the only car company making sales they still wouldn’t be worth that price.
Elon’s business model was not to be in the car business long term but the your-car-is-also-a-taxi business and reaping the profits of not just selling cars but ride-sharing too. Triple dipping if you count the supercharger stations, basically collecting a fee every time you use your car. I can see the bull run when things are framed from the perspective of magical Christmasland, but there’s a slightly larger than zero but still basically zero percent chance that FSD on Teslas will ever work autonomously and their cars are getting smoked domestically because they have competition now where they didn’t before.
People have been saying this for years now. This site is something else. Top posts related to climate change while at the same time bashing Tesla, the number one producer of EVs and arguably the reason why all automakers are now making the transition to clean energy. All of this because the CEO is a fucking horrible person. Guess what? Almost every product you have in your home or have ever used came from a company that had a terrible human being as their CEO. Tesla’s sales have been growing each year. They’re building a new plant in Mexico. A few decades? So, 30 years from now? Wow, what a ballsy prediction. /s You could, literally, insert any company’s name in there. If climate change goes as predicted, Tesla being around will be the least of everyone’s worries.
They’re building a new plant in Mexico.
That’s what will really take the comparative stock price of actual automakers into the stratosphere with Tesla you guys, a fucking factory in Mexico. How could Ford or Hyundai match having a factory in Mexico?!
Lol, the last Ford I bought (shit car btw) was built in Mexico. Tell me again why Tesla has 20x the market cap of Ford because it surely ain’t factories in Mexico.
Nothing interesting? They’ve got the Cybertruck!
Not good. But interesting.
I don’t disagree with those statements but I’d wait to see what they put out from the Mexican factory considering the labor cost advantage and manufacturing experience they’ve gained. Beyond that I agree that Korean and Chinese EVs seem more put together and well see if we get more when the us subsidies end.
I’m surprised this isn’t just because of there being more competitors to Tesla like rivian. Tbh though I dislike cars, I just have to use them sadly.
I love cars, and I know that goes against what I’m supposed to say here.
It’s okay to love cars, people have an issue with the Car being the only viable option in many places.
When I lived in Brno, which is at around 450K population in Czechia, I was going there by car, as in I drove from Slovakia to Brno, parked my car and haven’t used it until I was visiting Slovakia again, I only used it when I went for a big shopping to the hypermarket that was at the outskirts of the city.
Did you ever see James May’s OG Top Gear piece on Honda’s hydrogen car? I think about it a lot. That alternatives to ICE cars is the way to save ICE cars for enthusiasts.
There aren’t any. By volume Tesla is still the biggest EV maker by far. The competition is nowhere close to catching up. If they screw up the launch of the Cybertruck, they’ll really be in trouble, though. Also, the valuation is to a large degree based on the promise of full self driving. That seems to be an increasingly distant prospect, though.
lol as if that hideous pos truck is going to save them.
But Telsa’s market share has dropped from 79% to 62.4% in 2 years.
Things are changing fast.
No company will maintain this kind of market share forever. Over 60% ist still impressive and shows how pathetic the EV efforts of the incumbents have been so far.
key words being “so far”, Tesla is going to be blown the fuck out of water by what traditional Automakers are starting to offer.
I’m sure too that there are a lot of prospective EV buyers that are waiting on the sidelines until a more reputable brand has something they like. (I’m one of these people.)
Same here, my civic is gonna be the last gas vehicle I own. Next car is all electric.
This is exactly right, the big traditional auto makers were watching tesla,using them as a research experiment, and now are starting to build out their own EVs. Once it becomes viable for these automakers to produce many modules we will see lots of competition in the market, tesla will be completely overrun. There’s no way tesla can keep up with production powerhouses like Ford, and Toyota.
I wouldn’t try and argue with people who don’t understand. https://insideevs.com/news/651978/world-top-ev-oem-sales-2022q4/. Tesla sells more BEV’s than anyone else. Anyone who says Tesla has competition now is completely uniformed or purposely trolling. VW and BYD are the closer ones, globally. In the US, no one comes close.
They have big problems. They are way overvalued, and other manufacturers are catching up who are geared for higher levels of mass production. And once the share price starts falling there’s the risk that it can cause a feedback loop.
All the other majoe manufacturers sell way more vehicles than Tesla, and are rapidly pivoting to the electric market. Tesla is pretty fucked.
Honestly, as long as Tesla maintains its supercharger network, it will continue to blow its competition out of the water. I say this as someone who got a Korean EV instead of a Tesla.
Electrify America DCFC stations have been slipping in quality quite noticeably, just in the past year. EVgo is still catching up in the DCFC world, with a lot more slow 50 kW cabinets than genuinely fast 150+ kW chargers. Non-Tesla cars using the supercharger Magic Dock often aren’t charging as fast as a Tesla, likely due to the difference in electronics.
I think you have to be the sort of person who doesn’t mind tinkering a bit and putting in planning and effort to thrive in a non-Tesla, unless you simply never plan to road trip far enough to need DC fast charging.
So a lemmy user will probably be fine. The general public might do better with a Tesla for now.
EU says hi with our regulations mandating Tesla to make their chargers inter-operable with other brands.
I feel like this is inevitable. We don’t have to try and find the station that has the right nozzle to pump gas in a Ford. Likewise, vehicle charging stations should have standard plugs. It just doesn’t make sense the other way around.
I thought I read Tesla’s plug was going to maybe the standard, but maybe I’m misremembering.
The only issue I’ve heard with NACS is that the 800V battery auto makers aren’t convinced it’s as capable as CCS of supporting the higher voltage for that generation of EV battery. Hopefully they work it out soon.
Can you please accept the USA into your pleasant union?
Gods, I love the EU.
It may not be perfect, and has a lot of improvements to make.
But damn does it actually work for the population instead of the corporations.
There are, plenty of Chinese EV companies. One in particular sells by volume way more cars than Tesla worldwide. It just doesn’t sell to the US yet.
No Chinese EV company sells more BEV globally than Tesla.
To get the advertised numbers that are higher than Tesla it includes plug in hybrids.
Edit: Until Tesla releases their Gen 3 platform, BYD may pass them in 2024 though.
Hasn’t the F-150 has already preemptively destroyed the Cybertruck? I suppose most people driving pickups don’t actually need a pickup’s functionality. They’re just told they need a pickup so that’s what they buy.
I see more F150 Lightning trucks than I do model 3 cars, and this is in a red state full of people who are scared of electric vehicles.
Yeah, but the silly Tech Startup kind of market valuation with the associated crazy P/Es (justified by “we will take over the whole industry” kind of justification) that made them more valueable than all US automakers combined (not just the EV auto-segment, everything) is dissapearing.
Their valuation reflecting the size of their market share (in the entire auto-market, not just EVs which are still a minority of sales) and growth direction (growing mainly due to the EV segment growing and don’t seem to be in line to dominate the whole auto-market as EVs take over) means a massive fall from the fantasy “we’ll take over the world” valuations.
Mind you, it’s happenning more generally in the whole Tech segment as the end of free money which was used in leveraged stock investment is wiping out all the investment strategies based on wild and fantastical claims of “future prospects” and on finding greater suckers.
It’s probably not even a fall due any worst numbers or concrete prospects for Tesla: the collapse of the massive stock price premiums (judging by the P/Es in Tech vs those in the wider market) for “future prospects” in the whole of the Tech industry, would definitelly pull Tesla’s stock price down hard because Elon’s main business “strategy” has always been to frame his ventures as Edgy Tech in order to reap such premiums and he definitelly went hard on it with Tesla.
Looking at Tesla as just a car manufacturer ist short sighted. The energy products also have huge growth potential. And whoever cracks FSD first will basically own the world. I used to be confident that that will be Tesla. But now I’m a lot less optimistic for the sector as a whole.
Good luck with Tesla cracking full self driving without LIDAR.
I believed in Tesla’s FSD until they decided to go visual cameras only. Now I’m convinced they squandered their decade-long lead in the market on a technologically inferior strategy.
thoughts and prayers
I SAID THOUGHS… AND… PRAYERSSSSS!!
Amen 🙏
Ramen you mean? Gotta be what you ment…yep def ramen
Ramen
Teslas are boring. There are only 4 of them and they all look the same. (And the cybertruck is an abomination, sorry if you’re going to buy one; good luck surviving all the steel balls people will be throwing at you)
What a stupid take, but par for the r/technology course.
EDIT: The steel ball thing was terrible optics, granted, but that was also, like, the 5th time that ball was thrown at the window. Bullet-proof glass still spiderwebs when hit. Get over it.
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No, they dropped steel balls onto separate glass pulled to the side, which didn’t break, then they decided to hurl steel balls at the prototype they had on stage. It broke the glass, twice. It’s on video, y’know?
but par doe the r/technology course.
Do you even know where you are?
Yep, r/tech… er… c/technology. Same thing.
Nobody is going to buy a cyber truck because they will never be mass produced
Saving your comment so I can get a good laugh when it is released.
Or legal to sell in many US states of Europe.
Don’t worry Tesla owners, this guy’s better than you and all along knew that he should be buying hummers.
This smugness from basement dwellers is flat out embarassing.
“If you don’t spend tens of thousands of dollars on a luxury car, you’re a smug basement dweller.”
Don’t own a Tesla, probably never will, just recognize the cringey basement dweller behaviour of everyone in here gleefully pretending like Tesla’s are any different just cause they don’t like the owner now. It’s a bunch of hater energy losers dunking on an easy target that’s uncool now. Congrats guys, you did it, you felt superior to others today.
I’m not superior to anyone. I just don’t insult people for not owning a car.
I wasn’t, and don’t own and never have owned a car. I was insulting them for being haters which was made apparent by their hater comments.
If you’ve never owned a car, maybe you don’t know whether or not people are right to hate Teslas. Just a thought.
Not owning a car doesn’t mean I don’t drive / rent / carshare them, and since when is owning a car a requirement for determining whether or not Teslas are aesthetically pleasing? I have eyes and go outside.
You’re 100% right but don’t expect r/technology to accept it.
Swing and a miss, sparky. I’ve been driving electric for the last 7 years but have no interest in Tesla for a wide variety of reasons.
Also I literally told you why I don’t like them — there are only 4 of them and they all look the same; do you think maybe the fact that they’ve become so ubiquitous over the last few years and so samey could contribute to changed perceptions of them? What’s new in 2017 is old in 2023.
Just try and be a better person/contributor around here. Smarten up.
there are only 4 of them and they all look the same
Oh noooooo. Thanks for that single issue that’s entirely subjective.
Meanwhile; they provide the best performance for the price, putting exotics 0-60 to shame. Have the best charging infrastructure. Get great range despite the recent hit pieces. And, for some subjective IMO goodness, are super fucking cool. I love the infotainmentcontrolwhatever way they handle things.
But no, they’re just copy/paste pieces of shit. All hail anybody but Elon!
They’re fine cars, they need a refresh is all. You’re reading way too much into this. They’re not copy-paste, they’re ubiquitous and as exciting as a Honda Civic in terms of looks, to me at least. 0-60 time is fun, but so are physical buttons.
All hail anybody but Elon!
You know he’s never going to marry you though, right?
You know he’s never going to marry you though, right?
What? I thought you said this WASN’T r/technology?
The only person bringing up Elon Musk is you. The only person offended (apparently) on behalf of Elon Musk is you. Sort yourself out.
I couldn’t give a fuck about Musk. He could die tomorrow and I’d say “Good for him.” What I think is hilarious is the assumption by you and others in these comments that my drive to correct them stems from some love of the ugy.
Sort yourself out.
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the amount of defects
Please list them, and don’t bother with panel gaps that are either fixed for free on the spot or not long after.
When you pay $45k and up on a product, it should not have a single defect.
Somebody better tell this to Rivian and Polstar or, shit, any. other. manufacturer.
nowhere near the listed range in their advertisements. so bad they are facing a lawsuit over it
Get back to me when that lawsuit is resolved. I will say, I’m supposed to get 333 miles from my Model 3 LR and it’s closer to 280. There is reserve battery past 0% but we shouldn’t count that.
They also have issues locking drivers in the vehicle when the battery dies
Yes we all saw the article posted here a couple days ago. Curious, did you see the posts about how there are manual releases easily found and if you can’t find them you’re kiiiiiiiind of an idiot?
They’re cool the first time you drive one sure
Sorry, still cool 2 years later
have caused several life ending accidents involving their self driving software
Another sign you’ve bought into the bullshit. Manual controls override all AP/FSD activity and the drivers were at fault of every single crash. Find me a single instance where the driver was found to interrupt the system and it ignored them.
So keep on sucking his dick
You’re just admitting that you’re doing the polar opposite of sucking Elon’s dick. You’ve proved you’ve bought every single hit piece that came out. Congrats. I’m going to continue enjoying my marvel of engineering.
People really don’t even understand the whole range thing.
All those multitude of real world tests out there that show a Tesla doesn’t get the advertised range aren’t doing the tests as the EPA tests are defined.
Yes, a Tesla doesn’t get the advertised range when you go out of the test specs, shocking.
The EPA says this is how we’re going to test the car. They even say, you can test it doing a partial test suite, or a full test suite. Tesla does the full test suite, while many others don’t. This costs Tesla more money, but does seems to work out to their advantage.
I don’t doubt that Tesla then went, okay lets design the car (set the gear) to get a good range on the test the EPA is going to use so we can advertise a good number. The EPA set the rules.
I can’t recall if it was the EPA or some other testing agency, but Tesla once even rejected their initial rating saying you did the test wrong and made them re-do the test (a door was left ajar or something), and the retest came out to the number Tesla was expecting and wanted to advertise. As per the other article something also went wrong once and the EPA made them lower it by 3%. So problems can go both ways, and both were fixed.
Aside from Porsche who have a multi gear system in their power train, everyone else has to deal with the problem of a single gear not having the same efficiency across all speeds.
There’s only a few other models out there besides Porsche (who’s different) that meet their claims at 70mph+ tests, which means they did one of two things. They either lowered their EPA approved number and advertise a smaller range than they are
capableallowed, or they’re going to be less efficient elsewhere, but do good at high speeds.If you want to perform better at high speeds (70mph+) , you’re going to perform worse somewhere else in a single gear system, but I imagine most people care about the high speeds, and people don’t seem to care about real world 25-35mph tests where cars go well past their advertised range. I don’t really blame them for this, it’s what people care about.
We really need to get the EPA to change their tests and make everyone do the same test, make the test better reflect real world driving scenarios, and probably make them advertise city/highway/high speed eMPG instead of just the single number.
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Who would have thought your brand would tank if you go full send on being a absolute douche bag. Almost like there is consequences for you actions… Something these ultra rich assholes never face.
I see so much hate toward Tesla in this post and I assume it’s mostly because of Musk.
But at the end of the day they are still the ones selling the most EV which I still believe is a good thing.
I’d rather people buy an asshole’s EV than another polluting pick-up truck tbh. (I know EV are also creating pollution, no need to point this out ty).
The vast majority of EVs I see in the street of my french city are Tesla’s. And I see a bit more everyday. And no matter how much I despise Musk, I still appreciate the fact that tesla is helping us move forward from combustion engines.
I don’t really care if someone buys a Tesla just to show off. It’s one less combustion engine on the road.
But at the end of the day they are still the ones selling the most EV which I still believe is a good thing.
“Over 10 Percent of Tesla Model S EVs Fail Germany’s Strict Inspection After 3 Years. It’s actual hard data on Tesla’s quality issues as seen in the wild.” https://www.thedrive.com/news/44068/over-10-percent-of-tesla-model-s-evs-fail-germanys-strict-inspection-after-3-years
Tesla deserves credit for opening the door on EVs, but these days something like a Hyundai Ionic / Kia EV just makes more sense when you don’t want to buy expensive trash.
Teslas just aren’t great EVs compared to other brands. The reason they are popular is because of marketing.
Give me a Renault EV any day.
Aren’t great how? They have some of the most efficient cars, with high charging speeds, and easily the best charging network.
As far as EVs go, they’re fantastic. Said as someone who has owned multiple EVs from different brands.
The charging network argument is getting less important in densely populated Europe, and at least here in the Netherlands. For fast charging I usually charge at Shell Recharge because it’s cheap with my card (for my boss, but small company so I try). Otherwise there’s always a Fastned, Ionity or other party. And there are so many destination chargers that I don’t really hesitate to drive anywhere. And anyway you can charge at Tesla too if there is availability I think, though for the reasons stated above I haven’t needed to.
And now other brands are coming out with loads of relatively affordable 100-150kwh+ options. At that point a cross continent vacation is still a bit of a hassle, but for daily use that’s more than enough since you mostly charge at home or at a destination anyway.
So? Left pollutes the air, right doesn’t, hence right is undeniably better and completely unrelated to the fact that public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word. EV buses are also better than diesel ones, you know…
They are better in the long run when combustion engines have reached their end of life and needs to be changed for something. But replacing a combustion engine solely to get an EV is a waste of energy and material. EVs are heavier and require energy to move, usually a single occupant. Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water, and because EVs are heavier, they do that faster.
Parking lots generate heat islands, etc… Buying a new car is inherently bad for the environment. We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars!
WE CAN’T BUY OUR WAY OUT OF THIS WITH NEW GADGETS AND TECHNOLOGY.
I realize I’m saying this in a technology community but I’ve (we’ve) been promised self driving cars for years and so far it’s only the same promise repeated year after year. Same for recycling. We can’t just recycle everything or wait for a miracle plastic eating bacteria created by technology, we have to consume less.
Fuck that I want a fast Tesla.
Ask me how I know we’re not going to reach any climate change goals.
require energy to move
Yes, literally everything does. That’s physics.
Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water
Tires made from natural rubber exist. Less wearing tires are also a thing but those are less “sporty”. Tire wear can be reduced by driving more smoothly which is something governments can mandate to tweak driving aids accordingly (basically no hard acceleration). Overall EVs are better for the environment than ICE cars.
We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars!
I already wrote “public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word”, so don’t preach to me about what I agree with.
They need to ditch Musk… he’s toxic to the brand now.
And fix their quality, and upgrade their interior to have buttons, as well as be somewhat nicer than a Toyota for the price they’re asking.
The board is composed of close family and friends. They are not going to ditch Musk.
tesla’s are shit cars and cars are fuckn awful for the environment so its the creme dela creme of a shit stain. some people actually think they’re doing the environment a good thing buying a new car instead of demanding public transportation/or at least buy something used to literally stop killing the earth.
like seriously you think you’re doing something to help the environment by buying a new car from a elon fucken musk? like you do realise tesla lobbys against public transporation? You know something that would actually help the environment.
like he’s literally a car salesman and you dupes were suckered into it like a fucken simpsons monorail
Where I live, no amount of anything is going to get me away from a car. Even if I had a billion dollars to invest, I couldn’t get rid of the need for a car, for at least 10 years. It’s a nice position to take, but completely devoid from reality.
I agree in regards to public transport in cities of a resonable size and between them. Outside bigger cities, it simply isn’t a workable solution. Fact is that a lot of our modern society is built around cars. It’s not easy to change that.
BEV’s will certainly not save the world from climate change, but they are a lot better than ICE vehicles and since we aren’t getting rid of vehicles, it’s a lot better if they are BEV’s. Hate Elon Musk as much as you like (I likely wouldn’t disagree with you), but you can’t ignore that Tesla arguably has pushed forward the transition to BEV’s.
