Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined

    • @Michal@programming.dev
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      I doubt your typical apple user will use the usb port for anything other than charging.

      If they are going to improve transfer speeds it’s not going to happen in the same iteration they’re being made to switch to usb c for two reasons:

      1. They want to incetivise users to upgrade to a newer model 16
      2. They will want to take credit for faster speeds. Otherwise people will think usb c is just faster than lighting they were stuck with for years.
      • @Starbuck@lemmy.world
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        32 years ago

        Apple is very good at price discrimination. I hey know if they can build a slightly cheaper phone by reusing the SoC from the older lightning version, and 99% of iPhone users won’t care (for whatever reason) they then know that the 1% that does care will spend a little bit more on the Pro model. And they do that with few different features, which ends up with the Pro models selling a significant number of units.

      • @kalleboo@lemmy.world
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        112 years ago

        The reason is that like with the iPhone 14, in the non-Pro models they put the SoC from the previous year’s Pro model, and that one was only designed for Lightning so only USB 2.0. So the non-Pro will get USB 3 once the USB 3-supporting SoC trickles down from the Pro.

  • @4am@lemm.ee
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    352 years ago

    Then they’re not standards compliant and they can’t claim to have usb-c on their phones. I wonder how that will work out for them?

    • @f314@lemm.ee
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      The port on the phone Pro model supports transfer speeds up to 20 or 40 gbps, it’s just the supplied charging cable that is limited to USB 2.0 speeds. If you use a thunderbolt cable you will get full speed and a full feature set.

      Edit: Seems like I was wrong; only the Pro models get full speed. That’s kinda shitty, yeah. Unfortunately still in spec, as the mandate is only for the form factor, not the protocol.

        • @f314@lemm.ee
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          122 years ago

          I’m honestly not sure that I agree. Full speed USB 3.2/Thunderbolt cables are expensive, and 99.9 % of users will only ever use the supplied cable for charging. The ones who want to do cable transfers at high speed will probably already have the cable they need.

          Limiting the speed of the *port * of the non-Pro models is worse, but likely also a cost-cutting decision that will have little impact on the vast majority of users.

          It would be interesting to know how many of the competitors’ phones offer high speed data transfer through the USB port (I honestly don’t know, but would like to).

            • @AA5B@lemmy.world
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              32 years ago

              Because they can continue to use the old controller, just wired a little differently

            • @blabber6285@sopuli.xyz
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              52 years ago

              It’s probably not an arbitrary explicit limitation just for the sake of it, they’re likely using a cheaper component for the port.

          • @lustrum@sh.itjust.works
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            72 years ago

            Right but USB 3.1 is a commodity now and most android phones support it. It doesn’t need to be 20/40gbps. Even 5gbps would be decent for most people.

      • JokeDeity
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        -22 years ago

        You’re likely not aware of all the facts. See, they’re required to put the USB C port in because Apple has been getting away with bullshit for decades that needs to stop. There’s zero reason for all the proprietary shit they force users to use that ends up creating millions of tons of plastic waste. So they decided to be extra massive cunts and are putting BOTH options on the phone instead of just using the one that every other phone does just fine with, creating a TON of plastic waste, and then, the kicker, forcing you to buy both cords anyhow if you want things to be fast.

        • phillaholic
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          72 years ago

          What are you talking about? Lightning is older than USB-c, and iPhone has had 2 connectors (30pin, Lightning) during the time where all other phones had at least three (Mini B, Micro B, C)

            • phillaholic
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              22 years ago

              No? A non-iPhone user has had to replace more cables during the same time span, and that’s not even counting the proprietary cables that existed on phones in the 2007-2009 era. Thunderbolt cables are expensive, even at Monoprice they are 3-4x the cost of a USB 2.0 cable that the vast majority will never need anything better.

          • @prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
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            82 years ago

            Apple gets shit because they had a proprietary connector when everyone stated using mini/micro usb.

            They then upgraded their proprietary connector to one that was MUCH better than the mini/micro connectors.

            Now the usb-c connector is king and apple looks bad for not having the “better” connector this time.

            But they aren’t forcing anyone to a NEW proprietary connector, just the one they have been using for like a decade now …

            Standardizing on a GOOD connector will be nice, but it’s not like apples proprietary connector wasn’t BETTER for a long time.

            Most folks don’t follow the timeline, yes apple is using a proprietary connector but it’s older than the new connector that was being used. They didn’t force you into a shittier product back then.

            • @AssholeDestroyer@lemmy.ml
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              52 years ago

              FYI it was newer by 2 years. I don’t think anyone is complaining about the performance of lightning over USB C, its that people want things to be standardized like everything non-apple is. Apple could have contributed to the USB C research and made a better cable that’s available to everyone, like IBM with the original USB or Phillips with HDMI.

              • @Im14abeer@midwest.social
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                02 years ago

                This, Apple is shitty for not advancing a standard. Can you imagine if every appliance came with some proprietary cable so you would be incentivized to stay with one brand to minimize hassle. We’d never stand for that, but for some reason we as consumers didn’t demand standardization in this realm. It’s a fast moving industry to be sure, but I don’t really see how that precludes standardization and that is evidenced by all the non Apple equipment that has settled on USB.

              • @prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
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                62 years ago

                iPhones for the lightning port in 2012 and I think the first usb c android was 2015ish

                My point is that 11 years later people act as if this lightning port was thrust upon them RATHER than getting usb c.

                They’ve been using the same connector for more than a decade now, that’s all.

                Your points about apple opting to go their own route is salient and stands and I agree whole heartedly.

          • JokeDeity
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            22 years ago

            Irrelevant. It was always an issue, with everything they do.

        • @AA5B@lemmy.world
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          52 years ago

          and are putting BOTH options on the phone

          While we haven’t yet seen the new phones, this is extremely unlikely. Since when does Apple have the reputation of adding ports?

          I had read somewhere that they’re just continuing to use an older controller to save a few Pennie’s and reduce architectural changes

          • JokeDeity
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            02 years ago

            I’m only going off what this guy is guessing, but I don’t think they would do that either.

    • phillaholic
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      52 years ago

      That’s not true. The standard is just the port, not what the port can do.

        • JokeDeity
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          272 years ago

          Lol, I’m sorry but this is just you thinking everyone is like you. Millions of people use their phones very differently.

        • @HellAwaits@lemm.ee
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          22 years ago

          It doesn’t NEED more than that honestly. We’re not transferring massive music libraries to our mobile devices any more.

          Who’s we? Did you survey every single iPhone user? I hate it when people act like they’re the authority on any subject they are obviously clueless about.

        • @SoggyBread@lemmy.world
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          572 years ago

          Speak for yourself, there are still many who refuse to use subscription services for music and still store it on their phones

            • @Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Why wouldn’t we? I’ve got 300, 400GB of music from my beloved private trackers (RIP WCD) but I choose iOS because of the privacy policy, longevity, and I don’t wanna have to fuck around with custom OSes to not give all my data to Google.

              My shit’s loaded up with music, and I’m hoping the next gen has 2TB models.

        • @gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk
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          22 years ago

          This is absolutely wrong. The spec mandates that USB-C ports provides at least USB 3.1 support. Also USB-C is mandated for USB 3.1.

          So to be compliant every USB-C port must support USB 3.1 at least. And you cannot support USB 3.1 with anything other than a USB-C port.

              • @brillekake@lemmy.world
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                62 years ago

                Literally the second sentence in your own source:

                The designation C refers only to the connector’s physical configuration or form factor and should not be confused with the connector’s specific capabilities, which are designated by its transfer specifications (such as USB 3.2).

              • @prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
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                Ok. Since we’re circumcising a mosquito here.

                The type c designation only refers to the form factor.

                That’s all.

                Type c does not refer to its capabilities.

                I am willing to bet you’ll find that information very early in what you linked me.

          • @DeadlineX@lemm.ee
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            Could you elaborate? Because I’m like… 90% you’re wrong. Oc is correct. The “c” in type c referred to the connector. Just like micro-b mini-b usb A,etc. USB 3 is the speed standard. As well as 3.1 (or 3.2 gen 1 it’s called now or some other silliness), 3.2 gen 2, etc.

            There are usb C cables that can do video, audio, some that have thunderbolt speeds. There are also usb c cables that only support usb 2.0. So if you can elaborate on why you believe otherwise, id appreciate it. the usb consortium has ridiculous conventions and I’m no hardware specialist. My knowledge on these is from USB consortiums training when I was a salesman.

          • @brillekake@lemmy.world
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            He’s right though?

            USB-C does NOT in any way specify capabilities or transfer specifications. It only specifies the form factor of the plug.

            The plug can be used for any number of things from USB2.0 or ThunderBolt4, to power transfer, hells, even things like analog audio can use the plug.

    • @mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de
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      72 years ago

      Many phones use USB-C with USB 2.0, or at least they used to very recently. The Samsung Galaxy S series had USB 3.0 micro B on the S5 and devolved into USB 2.0 with a USB-C connector.

  • @spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world
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    The few good things Apple has contributed to the world (libcups) are far outweighed by how much bad they do. Change my mind.

    Edit: Ok, emotional response, it looks like this is just a rumor. But I still stand by what I said. Fuck Apple and their shit software.

  • TheBlue22
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    Cables or the ports?

    Can’t you always buy a better cable?:(and most likely cheaper, given its Apple shit)

    Do correct me if I’m wrong

  • MentalEdge
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    2072 years ago

    TFW a wifi transfer literally loads files from your phone faster than a fucking cable.

      • @hackitfast@lemmy.world
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        -22 years ago

        There has to be a USB-C. Some people will always want wires to transfer data, even if it’s through their “wireless charger”, which is proprietary.

        • @sznio@lemmy.world
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          152 years ago

          Some people will always want wires to transfer data,

          But that group of people is growing smaller and smaller with each year. I haven’t used a phone cable to transfer files once in the last 8 years. Phones just sync to cloud.

          • @BURN@lemmy.world
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            52 years ago

            Same. I think the last time I used a cable to transfer data onto my phone was iTunes syncing my iPhone 5s music. Once I moved to Spotify I never needed to sync again.

            It’s not the use case of everyone, but I’d bet the majority of iPhone users haven’t used a data transfer in years

          • @hackitfast@lemmy.world
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            32 years ago

            I mean yeah I barely use cables to transfer data, but there are times I need to plug it in to back up files. The Pixel 7 Pro is also a bar of soap and slides off of my wireless charger, so it’s more reliable for me to use a USB-C cable. I also like having the phone next to me in bed, and so I use a USB-C cable.

            It just seems odd to remove something that is so reliable, even if only to have as a backup method. It would only make sense to remove it if wireless chargers are the dominant form of charging devices, especially in a portable manner.

            Having a port also enables things like game controllers and wired headphones, if the user chooses to do something like that.

            • @Bimbleby@lemmy.world
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              -12 years ago

              About the sliding phone, Apple has proposed a magnetic solution to that.

              Haven’t tried it, but seems to solve that specific issue.

              • @hackitfast@lemmy.world
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                12 years ago

                In this case I just have a case on my phone which stops it from sliding. But generally I do like having phones without cases on them.

          • @lud@lemm.ee
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            32 years ago

            I suspect cables are used more on Android because its filesystem is open so you can basically use an Android as a flash drive, which is very convenient at times.

            Also since Androids in general have a way faster wired connection, it’s more likely to be used for that.

            • @T156@lemmy.world
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              22 years ago

              Unlike iOS, Android also doesn’t have a way to easily transfer files over WiFi by default.

              Whereas if you’re embedded in the Apple ecosystem, you can airdrop something from your iPhone to your Mac straight out of the box (after getting set up).

              • @lud@lemm.ee
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                22 years ago

                You can install the share app on Windows for the same experience.

                I only use it for small files or photos. I use a cable for bigger files like movies or whatever, since it’s much faster.

                Using a cable with Android is also very easy since you don’t need any apps or anything. You just have to click a notification and set the USB mode to “file transfer” from “charge only”, after that it just works on pretty much every device. Fast USB ports are also useful because you can connect accessories to your phone like gigabit ethernet, and especially flash drives.

                I suspect iPhone users very rarely if ever, transfer big files since the iOS file system is so locked down. The only big thing I can imagine that they would need to transfer is filmed 4k video.

        • Dark Arc
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          672 years ago

          And some people will always want a headphone jack… oh wait…

          • @hackitfast@lemmy.world
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            62 years ago

            I can’t imagine Europe wouldn’t lose their shit if Apple removed it entirely. And if Android manufacturers did that consumers would also promptly lose their shit.

            Beyond the consumer, having a physical port is beneficial to Apple. Businesses use attached devices (e.g. barcode scanners, DSLR camera attachments, charging stations) all the time. It’s more common on Android phones, but I do see iPhones using these sorts of things. My local movie theater uses iPhones to scan tickets with an attached Lightning scanner, for example.

            I don’t disagree that wireless charging is more convenient, but from the standpoint of being in emergency situations where a cable is needed to charge your phone, it wouldn’t be easily possible if the port is removed. People might carry around charging bricks, and while wireless charging bricks do exist they’re not commonplace and they’re certainly slower than charging by wire. I can tell you nobody will want to carry around a portable wireless charger, although MagSafe is almost already just that.

            Playing devil’s advocate, it’s possible Apple does want things like portable wireless chargers to proliferate, like the one you can buy that slap onto the back of your phone. It means you’re buying more of their shit, which is something they seem to love so much. It would mean you’re buying MagSafe chargers or whatever proprietary crap they manufacture. I still do see it becoming an issue in emergency situations though, e.g. teens (a large user base of iPhones) use their phones a lot and borrow chargers from each other all the time.

            Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes, for now.

          • @zzz@feddit.de
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            92 years ago

            The difference with wireless listening vs. charging is that the former doesn’t need close to 2x the power of the cable-bound method and doesn’t destroy the phone’s battery in the process, unlike the latter

            • @Yoddel_Hickory@lemmy.ca
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              162 years ago

              Wireless listening absolutely needs more than 2x the power of wired listening. It also needs charging an entire other device. You’re right that it doesn’t affect the phone battery, though I don’t think wireless charging “destroys” it.

              • @zzz@feddit.de
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                I’ve tried using wireless charging in a friend’s car on my iPhone SE a few weeks back.

                Result: notification that charging had (!) to be stopped at around 50% due to overheating and was poised to continue once the iPhone had cooled down sufficiently. It never continued as that was all I needed to know about the current state of wireless charging with light usage on the side.

                Good point on the wireless listening and ear pieces needing a battery as well, though. I guess with those it comes down to convenience for most buyers.

              • @T156@lemmy.world
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                32 years ago

                It warms it up, and you’re not going to get the absolute maximum battery life out of it if you’re wireless, but the impact usually isn’t that big, unless you’re really cooking it. Using the standard fast charger that comes with your phone is probably going to put about as much, if not more wear than a. 10W wireless charger.

                You’re not meant to wirelessly charge it by sticking it in the microwave.

                Wireless listening absolutely needs more than 2x the power of wired listening. It also needs charging an entire other device

                It might be more than that. A wired headset is incredibly simple, unless you’re running a ridiculous amplifier through it. It’s just two speakers, maybe a microphone and button if it’s a mobile headset.

                By comparison, wireless listening would usually need the audio encoder/decoder chips, the Bluetooth receiver/transmitter, the processors for the pairing/controls/noise cancellation, and the speakers on top of that. That’s not a small amount of componentry.

    • @lud@lemm.ee
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      62 years ago

      USB 3.0 is way faster than WiFi and some phones even gave 3.1

      • MinekPo1 [it/she]
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        And if USB SS+ (aka USB 3.1 gen 2 aka USB 3.2 gen 2×1) with 10 Gb/s is not enough for you, the newest iteration of the USB standard USB 4.0 version 2.0 has USB4 gen 4 at 80 Gb/s

        Edit: for reference: Wi-Fi 4 supports up to 600 Mb/s or .6 Gb/s, while Wi-Fi 7 supports up to 46.12 Gb/s

        • @lud@lemm.ee
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          -22 years ago

          Yes, I know that,

          The comment above implied that faster USB support isn’t needed because WiFi is faster anyways (obviously wrong).

          • @delta@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            92 years ago

            I don’t think they intended to imply that faster USB support _isn’t needed _, but rather they are making a mockery of how absolutely absurd this reality is.

    • @riodoro1@lemmy.world
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      I dont know anyone who transfers anything besides power to the iphone via cable. What are you guys doing? Syncing it with itunes?

      • @nexas_XIII@lemm.ee
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        212 years ago

        Apple car play would be a bitch if I don’t have a port since it doesn’t have wireless carplay. And my car is a 2023

          • @lud@lemm.ee
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            They just said that a wired port is needed which apparently needs to be said because there are so many that thinks that portless is a good idea.

      • Dariusmiles2123
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        72 years ago

        Well if you don’t want to subscribe to iCloud, how can you do it except with iTunes?

        To be honest I’d really want to be able to create an image of my iPhone and back it up on my kdrive (a cloud storage service).

      • @danc4498@lemmy.world
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        22 years ago

        This was my thought exactly. I would sooner transfer over Wi-Fi than cable. This is a charging port to me.

        • @darth_helmet@sh.itjust.works
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          52 years ago

          It would actually be a lot safer if the charging port was only able to supply power. People plug their shit into random cables all the time and it’s been a vector for compromise.

          • @heals@lemmy.ml
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            That’s a good point though the port is also needed to pair an iPhone or iPad to a Mac/PC (the famous ‘Trust This Device’ screen can only be triggered if a device tries to access the phones data via USB) which is required to do any backups / music or picture syncs in the first place. ,nd it’s also necessary if youre a developer as - even at USB2.0 speeds that people complain about here - it is still faster to test and debug applications than via wireless.

  • @nalyd@sh.itjust.works
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    Not surprising tbh, loads of mid-range Android phones do that. They’ll implement USB4 in a year or 2 and maybe be the first to implement it in a phone, then talk the biggest game about it at their developer conference like they invented USB or something.

    It’s pretty cyclical at this point, they’re saving a talking point for later

  • Tony Smehrik
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    Because of course they would sabotage their own product because of international standards that won’t let them nickel and dime their customers.

  • @DrRatso@lemmy.world
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    ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.

    • @3laws@lemmy.world
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      by reusing the same hardware

      I’m sure their engineers are competent enough to repurpose she iPad Pro’s TB4 hardware.

      • @DrRatso@lemmy.world
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        Two factors. Do they still have lightning hardware sitting on shelves? Do they need to design to fit the iphone form factor? If the answer is yes to either of these, designing for TB this release cycle seems non-sensical when most people only use the cable to charge their phones.

    • @PeachMan@lemmy.one
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      That, and also, how many iPhone users do you think will actually notice slower USB speeds? One percent? They literally do not need 3.0 to keep their customers happy. And they’re not going to poach many Android fanboys with this change, so who cares?

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        I’m going over… that’s literally all I needed from them. Consumer choice is all lesser evils atm.

        RIP Firefox phone and Samsung Pure.

      • netburnr
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        I’m with you, people use the cable for power, it’s pretty rare to use them for data transfers. He’ll moving to a new phone is all wireless, just set them next to each other.

    • @dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee
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      I believe it’s both. Apple said that they’d be compliant with the EU regulations of having usb-c as a port for any cell phone with a charging port. I don’t remember the exact wording, but a valid interpretation was that usb-c is not required if the device has no charging port. I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection. Reducing the capability of wired connections would in that case just be a way to move the users towards the planned infrastructure.

      So it’s both a spiteful move regarding the regulations, but also a move which reduces costs and pushes users their desired way.

      • Flying Squid
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        22 years ago

        I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection.

        I sure hope not. I’d have to take off my case every time I wanted to charge my phone.

        • @dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee
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          12 years ago

          I charge my samsung just fine with a decently fat case. Does apple have a weaker QI receptor?

          • Flying Squid
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            12 years ago

            I have a wallet case. It’s really really thick. It holds all my credit cards and drivers license and stuff.

            • @dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee
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              I see. I believe that Apple’s vision is that payment cards and drivers licence will soon be fully integrated in the phone, eliminating the need for a wallet case. Not that I’m an Apple user, but I am pretty much at the point of never using physical payment cards, and my drivers licence has a digital version in my country.

              • Flying Squid
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                I’ll still need my health insurance card, my driver’s license, etc. That won’t work on a phone.

                • @dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee
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                  My health insurance is fully digital and my country has an official app for driver’s licences. This varies from country to country, but I think we’re all heading in that direction.

    • @nathris@lemmy.ca
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      The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.

      I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.

      • @DrRatso@lemmy.world
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        Yea, well, there you go. Pretty much straight up supports my original claim. If they need to full on change the SoC why in the hell would they fork up to support thunderbolt on iphones.

        • @lud@lemm.ee
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          Thunderbolt seems excessive for most, but 3.0 would be welcome.

    • @Sethayy@sh.itjust.works
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      dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they’re a trillion dollar company. They’ll manage, this is 100% by choice

    • @wieli99@sh.itjust.works
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      182 years ago

      You think this more likely than just creating a bigger artificial difference between the standard and normal model?

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        42 years ago

        I think that is most likely a lot of what drives that divide, but this almost certainly the case for the port. Some shit undoubtedly is software locked, and that is in fact scummy, but new hardware will always be more expensive than hardware you have already designed and maybe even have lying around.

        To get thunderbolt in there they probably need a new board specifically for the iphone, while they can just cram in the lightning version with a new solder job and call it a day.

        At the end of the day 95+% of the people who will use their phones will only use the port for charging anyway.

        • @wieli99@sh.itjust.works
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          Well we don’t know yet what port the pro model we have, so once we do, we’ll know whether it’s just scummy behavior once again, or if Apple decided to use low to midrange hardware on all their models

    • Rootiest
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      1572 years ago

      A shining example of cutting edge Apple innovation

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        -202 years ago

        I mean, it’s not like it matters much. Most of apple devices actually expected to transfer data over wire are on thunderbolt already aren’t they? Frankly I’m a little surprised they switched to C on 15 already, iirc they could have still released this cycle on lightning according to EU regulation (I think it only comes in effect end of 2024, right?) It comes to me as no surprise that they use up the controllers they had for lightning before they roll out thunderbolt. It will probably be 2.0 for base and thunderbolt for pro this cycle and likely thunderbolt for all next cycle. That would be the apple m/o.

  • @30mag@lemmy.world
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    192 years ago

    The latest report, which is both surprising and unsurprising at the same time, comes from a reliable leaker named Majin Bu, who Macrumors says has previously provided details on Apple’s upcoming cables.

    Maybe I should start my own news company. You just string some words together about something and it doesn’t really have to make any sense or communicate any information. You say this happened, but at the same time maybe it didn’t happen, mention some people feel one way and other people feel a different way, throw in some meaningless speculation, someone else who is jumping to conclusions, maybe throw a pun in there somewhere, at least one person is skeptical about the thing, someone is concerned about how things will be different, and start selling space for advertisements.

    • @GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
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      202 years ago

      I don’t think your criticism here is fair. I see what the article is conveying in this sentence: this is a decision that makes no sense (it probably costs more to artificially limit speeds in this way) but it is also not unexpected that Apple would make this kind of decision. I think it’s a well written turn of phrase.

      • @0ops@lemm.ee
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        32 years ago

        Yeah I don’t get it, that’s not an uncommon phrase. I use variations of it all the time.

      • @30mag@lemmy.world
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        12 years ago

        I think you’re correct. I don’t think the author articulated that very clearly, but my reaction was an overreaction.

    • @Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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      12 years ago

      “I would be surprise if any car manufacturer delivers their cars without any brakes, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a dishonest car manufacturer would do so in order to sell more cars”

    • @sanguinet@lemmy.ca
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      42 years ago

      This is more about Apple’s record on doing things to embellish their latest tech. They’re going to do the whole “this is a feature exclusive to our Pro models” and a year or two later they’re going to “add” it to others and call it an innovation breakthrough.

      It’s surprising a tech company like them would bother to do this, given that USB-C is already capable of those speeds, but it’s also unsurprising cause it’s Apple.

  • JokeDeity
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    32 years ago

    I can’t imagine the horror show that it must be to live every day in a brain that thinks of nothing but how to scheme and scam people all day.