• @Matriks404@lemmy.world
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    120 days ago

    I recently shared a meal with a female friend. Imagine how I’d look if I wasn’t able to get money transferred from her, because of not having a mobile banking app.

      • @Matriks404@lemmy.world
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        119 days ago

        Hey, I usually like to have about 50 PLN (~$12.50) in my wallet, but you can’t expect everyone to keep loads of cash on them.

        • @explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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          219 days ago

          In this thread we ask: Can we expect everyone to use a banking app either? How is that more reasonable, if one of them is democratically controlled and the other is corporate controlled?

  • @daggermoon@lemmy.world
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    2819 days ago

    I’m young and I fucking hate apps. I have android phone without a google account which works well for the most part. I’m too dumb to install LineageOS. and Linux phones aren’t really an option in the US.

  • @dukeofdummies@lemmy.world
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    6120 days ago

    I for one cheer and root for my flip phone friends.

    I’d never do it, but we have one at work and he’s singlehandedly causing so much grief at work. Because none of the engineers wanna use a security app for login. They want a fob.

    IT refuses to pay for fobs and wants us to use an app, but they also don’t want to pay for a phone for anyone in engineering just to use the security app because it opens a floodgate of people with company phones.

    It’s just wonderful to watch this fight from the sidelines sipping tea.

      • @Pacattack57@lemmy.world
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        120 days ago

        My job does this too. It’s literally just cost cutting. The fobs expire and need to be replaced every so often but the app lasts “forever”.

        IMO the fobs pay for themselves because what they are spending on fobs is the same as what they’re spending on IT members answering calls all day for employees that are having login issues with the app.

        • @HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works
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          520 days ago

          I worked a job where I had to have an app that tracked me wherever I went. I finally had to tell my boss I couldn’t use it anymore because it was killing my battery in like 3 hours.

          If I was still working and a job wanted me to put an app on my personal phone I’d tell them to go fuck themselves.

          Just another way capitalists thieve money from its workers.

      • @AA5B@lemmy.world
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        420 days ago

        Presumably they’re expensive and someone needs to manage them.

        My company’s approach is “we’ll pay your phone bill if you use an Authenticator app on your phone.” Cheaper for them, plus they don’t need to buy company phones or fobs, and who’s going to complain about their phone bill getting paid?

        A previous company tried similar but required putting your phone under enterprise management. A lot of us disagreed with that

          • @AA5B@lemmy.world
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            120 days ago

            Well, my old company sure made a ridiculous profit selling them. You may be looking at the cost per fob hardware, but not including the management cost. They are much more expensive than an authentication app, plus authentication apps are mostly managed by someone else, and you don’t have distribution overhead

            • @grepe@lemmy.world
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              117 days ago

              what exactly is the management cost here?

              at my old company they simply ordered a yubikey for you amd forgot about it. nobody kept track of it. i didn’t even need to return mine when i was leaving. the part they manage is the user account. the hardware you get once and use for added security…

            • @scottywh@lemmy.world
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              219 days ago

              In my experience, the only thing that really made them more difficult than managing end users who were using an authentication app instead was having to facilitate getting the fob to the users and replacing them occasionally and they were dirt cheap… Like less than $5 apiece.

    • @commander@lemmings.world
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      I for one cheer and root for my flip phone friends.

      Why are you cheering for a lack of self-control?

      Smartphones are great. You just need to be smart enough to not let them use you.

      It should put into perspective who is a useful idiot, and who is not.

    • @DeaDvey@lemmy.ml
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      I have no smartphone and am unable to access any of my college resources or email from home because you need a security app for remote login. I’ve got in trouble a few times for it but idk what I’m supposed to do. I wasn’t able to access my Exam Timetable because of this and had to ask some friends when the exams were because my teachers didn’t know (somehow). It’s very annoying.

      Edit:

      It also took a few weeks of difficulty to get the free bus pass the college gives out as they only gave it out on the bus pass app, I have a card that you scan, I’ve never had any issues with the card and yet EVERY day people complain about the app not working as you need an internet connection (in an area with dodgy internet) for the app and the app is apparently not very good in other areas. I think people are starting to get jealous of my bus pass card.

      • @toynbee@lemmy.world
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        420 days ago

        You could install an android emulator on your personal computer then run the authenticator from there.

          • @toynbee@lemmy.world
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            420 days ago

            The OC said in a different comment that you must be on the college network to set it up.

            You don’t need to tag me, by the way; I get a notification if someone responds to me directly.

        • @DeaDvey@lemmy.ml
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          220 days ago

          The authenticator requires you to be in the college’s network to set it up for the first time and I don’t have a laptop.

    • @Stegget@lemmy.world
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      1320 days ago

      My S21 is on the verge of losing regular security updates, and I hate it. The battery is fine, the camera is more than adequate, I do not want to upgrade.

      • @Twista713@lemmy.world
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        120 days ago

        So would you not recommend me getting a refurbished s20? That’s the most recent model that still has microSD slots and I’ve seen them for 200. But I’m not sure about security…

      • Tlaloc_Temporal
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        220 days ago

        I’m rocking an S8 as long as I can, but no updates in 5 years is starting to cause compatability issues. I’ll have to look into /e/OS soon I think.

      • Captain Aggravated
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        520 days ago

        I have an S10e in service, it’s perfectly fine.

        I saw whoever has the Nokia name now is selling smart phones designed to be end user disassembled and repairable, but they’re really mum about how long their software support is.

      • @limelight79@lemm.ee
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        520 days ago

        Mine decided to randomly start rebooting about a year ago. :( Tried everything I could think of to get it to work normally, but nothing helped. I couldn’t rely on it, so I had to replace it. Like you, I hadn’t planned to replace it any time soon.

  • CubitOom
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    6821 days ago

    If you don’t have a smart phone in the US, even temporally, your almost a second class citizen.

    Then if you don’t install corporate apps on your phone, there are even more problems for you.

    • sunzu2
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      You can still live in the US without apps… For now

    • @sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      219 days ago

      I remember this being true almost as soon as smart phones and QR codes were invented. There were so many things you just couldn’t do as easily if you didn’t have one. Even in 2006.

  • @yesman@lemmy.world
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    20721 days ago

    There should be a warning label on any establishment or product that requires a smartphone to use.

    • Ulrich
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      720 days ago

      There was a food truck I went to one time that required you to download some app to look at their menu and order your food. They refused to accept a credit card or cash. I walked. So fucking stupid. I don’t know why people allow shit like that to exist.

    • Snot Flickerman
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      How about this:

      At the apartments I recently moved out of, there were no quarter slots on the washing machines. They were an app that required a bluetooth connection to pay.

      So if you lived there and didn’t have a smartphone? Go fuck yourself, you don’t get to do laundry.

      Unless you bothered to check the laundry room when you were looking at the apartment, you wouldn’t know. No warnings.

      • @Vinstaal0@feddit.nl
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        420 days ago

        That depends a bit on if it was advertised or not to have a laundry room. At least here in NL it is more common to have your own washing machine than to use a shared one so having a laundry room would be an extra to start with.

        Still sucks though

      • @EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
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        320 days ago

        The more insane thing here for me is the fact that there isn’t a washing machine inside your apartment.

        (btw lived in such once, apparently the owner wasn’t very wealthy. We washed everything by hand)

        • Snot Flickerman
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          220 days ago

          It’s actually incredibly common in US apartments for laundry to be a common area.

          Having a unit in your apartment means you’re at least well-to-do. Poor people can mostly go fuck themselves.

          • @EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
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            319 days ago

            Well-to-do? That is weird, because here not having a washing machine in the apartment would be weird even for a poor person.

            • Snot Flickerman
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              US hates poor people. I’m poor, I know from experience. They hold homelessness over us as a threat to keep in line.

              We went from during the pandemic, treating “essential workers” as “heroes” while not increasing their pay for risking their lives, to now, straight back to how it used to be, screaming at overworked underpaid people “You’re lucky to have a job!” as they break our bodies and then discard us once our bodies are broken. I know caregivers who have broken backs because they have to lift 350lb people without the proper equipment and they don’t get paid enough to afford to live in an apartment alone.

              The number of people trapped in outright dangerous relationships just to afford a place to live is too damn high. It’s a massive human rights issue, and the US will never address it under current leadership. They treat poverty as something that happens to bad people. They believe that their wealth proves that they are good people. They are myopic fools.

              They fucking hate us. Anything to make us feel low, they will do.

      • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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        720 days ago

        quarter slots on the washing machines

        Thank god they decided to keep these free where I live

      • Kairos
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        That…

        Is that not illegal where you live?

        • @scarabic@lemmy.world
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          It’s not even required that apartment buildings have laundry services at all. There are commercial storefront laundromats in the US which serve as the ground floor for where people do their laundry. Until landlords are required to provide laundry, it will be hard to legislate what payment forms they must accept.

      • @white_nrdy@programming.dev
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        1620 days ago

        Tbf, my building also uses an app for laundry. However they also have a machine in the laundry rooms where you can purchase an NFC payment card and put money on it. So you can use it without the app. Is that not the case with yours? If not, that’s 100% fucked

  • katy ✨
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    221 days ago

    the problem is also apple’s slow adoption (or outright refusal) to open up various web apis to make web apps more prevalent.

  • @Zak@lemmy.world
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    16321 days ago

    Any time I’m required to use an app for something that could be a website, I leave the app a one star review.

    • @VerdantSporeSeasoning@lemmy.ca
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      1020 days ago

      What ticks my off is that I have the stupid Safeway card and the stupid Kroger card. But now there’s more deals, better deals if I do a digital coupon requiring the app on my phone, too. It’s not enough to know about all the regular items in my home, from celery to toilet paper, but they also must need to hoover up all my digital into as well? Dude, just buy it from Meta or whichever jerks have it all. Half-price grapes ain’t the right price.

      • @HappyStarDiaz@real.lemmy.fan
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        320 days ago

        Yeah multiple layers of s***; I’ll be honest I never figured out how to use the digital coupons for the second layer of discount; seems like it’s not in the Kroger app but some other scammy telemetry scamming 3rs party. I paid the $2.99 for the ice cream I stead of 1.99

    • @EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
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      220 days ago

      At least you can not only ask other customers for their cards, but also sometimes be offered theirs without even asking.

      • @commander@lemmings.world
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        119 days ago

        Man, I hate when people like you come out with “justifications” like these.

        No. They should be banned. Trying to “justify” their existence with “well umm, sometimes you can just talk to other customers for theirs!” is fucking stupid.

        Why are we so eager to do the work of our oppressors for them?

        • @EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
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          119 days ago

          I don’t see a “justification” in my reply. I cannot change or influence the system, I need the discounts - so I do that.

  • @TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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    3220 days ago

    That is what I noticed. Everything these days require app to get shopping vouchers, book tickets, go in to your local gym, pay in store (we are being weaned off from using cash) etc.