Microsoft is just awful at doing basic shit. Office or M365 or copilot or whatever it is called is a mess of new tabs, signing in and duplication of services.
Christ outlook sucks but it isnt even top five of how shit they are.
Windows Mail was IMO perfect for simple mail at home. Now they replaced it with Outlook with slightly updated UI but also with ads.
Guess what - I started looking for alternatives. So far Wino Mail seems pretty good - someone else on here recommended it.
As a help desk worker, I am starting to get tired of Microsoft’s bullshit.
Try something new and it doesn’t work out? Fine. That’s reasonable.
But can we stop breaking what was already working?
Sounds like that’s exactly what they’re trying to do.
This is what happens with innovation when only monopolies are left on the board.
Name an industry, it’s the same. But here’s the dog shit. You still have to give shareholders returns. When you ran out of shit to innovate like 25 years ago, ran out of companies to buy 10 years ago, and already captured the regulatory bodies. Congrats it’s game over.
Except it’s never game over. Just squeeze one side til the toothpaste runs out.
Microsoft sucks and so does Outlook. My dad uses Outlook personally and I just can’t imagine that. It’s like taking your torture rack home with you for personal usage.
My dad is also a huge Outlook fan. I think you need to just have been using it for 20+ years
Yeah, maybe it’s a case of software Stockholm syndrome or something.
My dad also uses Outlook on hi Android tablet. I don’t get it.
Idk I like outlook. Its more feature rich and reliable than any other client Ive used. Especially since basically every company uses Echange for email.
Edit: I should clarify, I dont like outlook overall. But thats more because email in general sucks. Outlook is the best out of all of the email clients though, especially for power users.
Microsoft destroys product names like no other company.
Whichever version it is, I hope that one day I can delete a mail, change my mind, press ctrl-z and it will actually undo the last delete and not some random one from earlier in the day.
I just stopped deleting everything and now use my archive as a trash instead
The corp I’m working at moved to Outlook Web.
It’s so hostile about downloading attachments through anything but OneDrive it’s comical.
Every fucking version displays our HTML email signatures differently.
We have too. I absolutely hate it.
Yeah no shit. Then the new ones literally have less features than the old one. Like connecting SharePoint calendars
Seems like they wanted the web and app version of outlook to work identically. Some things don’t work on the web though, so they decided to cut features on the app until they were the same as web. It’s just such a corporate move.
In true modern Microsoft fashion. Remove features, lock forum posts of people asking for them back. Provide no reason. Profit because apparently this shit is crack to companies.
Windows having Settings and Control Panel. It is just an unmanageable bloat of legacy code.
I use control panel enough that i would be seriously pissed if they removed it. Why is it considered bloat?
Once they drop the real control panel all the useful / advanced configuration will be hidden behind a PowerShell cmdlet you have to Google to find out about! Very streamlined and intuitive.
Settings app: “A network without a gateway? Bullshit mate lemme on the internet.”
Once they drop the real control panel all the useful / advanced configuration will be hidden behind a PowerShell cmdlet you have to Google to find out about!
Ah yes, just like MacOS’s
pmsetIt’s utter bollocks. It used to be the OEM crap that had to be removed or clean installed over. Now you have to spend time unfucking fresh installs.
My 11 image is just about usable, but only after a lot of gutting, reg entries, powershell scripts and openshell.
The railroading to sign in with an MS account has become worse too, but still just about bypassable.
Settings is the bloat. Control Panel reigns supreme.
They better not touch my damn control panel. I’ll fight a microsoft systems engineer. They can be added to the list.
Half the shit I actually want I just run directly these days, rather than nosing through either.
- ncpa.cpl
- diskmgmt.msc
- devmgmt.msc
- control userpasswords2
- cmd
- mstsc
- regedit
- taskmgr
Just to name a few.
Settings is more accessible to casual users.
Until they call me because the setting they need isn’t in settings…
In that case, they wouldn’t have found it in Control Panel anyways.
Otherwise, they would have opened Control Panel.
Except when the setting they need isn’t in Settings. Then it’s a wild goose chase.
In fact, it’s often a wild goose chase even if it is in Settings, because the question then is where did Microsoft decide to hide it in this most recent update?
The thing everyone misses which was Control Panel’s greatest strength, however, was that vendors could add their own .cpl extensions to it. So settings for your specific hardware could go there. (Yes, this was abused by-and-large by some vendors just like the system tray, but that’s not the point.) Literally all of your settings and configuration stuff could go in one place. Even if a user did not know exactly where, at least they had a consistent place to start looking.
That all ended with Windows 2000/XP and got worse with 8/10/11.
Now we have this:
“I want to change the behavior of Windows feature X.”
Spin the wheel and guess!
- Is it located in Settings?
- Is it located in Control Panel?
- Is there a category in Settings where it totally should be, and any reasonable person would expect it to be, but it’s not there? Surprise! It’s in Control Panel anyway because Microsoft was too lazy to migrate it to Settings.
- Is it in both Settings and Control panel?
- Is it lurking in the Notification Area?
- Or is it hidden in Group Policy Management instead? Oops, too bad you bought the home edition of Windows.
Etc.
Control panel may have been clunky, especially for frequently accessed settings, but at least it was unified.
Also, when you use the built in windows search to search for an installed program, except it doesn’t find it, but gives you web results instead. Microsoft needs to take a seriously massive step back and realise how much they’ve fucked up this basic stuff.
I’m positive that’s deliberate, though, because they’re desperate to drive traffic to Bing by any means necessary.
Causal users shouldn’t be fucking around in settings since I can attest with factual data that 0% of casual users actually know what the fuck they are doing.
So delete Settings and only allow Control Panel
Fuck. Casual. Users.
Edit: To be clear “make it easier for casual users” is some MBA bullshit. The casual user adds nothing to technology - when those retards get involved, things enshitify because they let it happen.
I’d rather they remove all the new shit like “Settings” and just keep all the stuff they’ve had for god knows how many years. Control Panel ftw.
Or having a button to refresh RSS feeds.
I’m pretty happy with Thunderbird on all my devices. It’s not quite perfect, but it’s hard to make an argument that Outlook is better. It’d have to be a very specific use case I think.
I still think there is a group of people working at microsoft, pulling the strings to dismantle the company from the inside. I haven’t seen an update that makes things better for any of their projects in years
Same with Google.
I imagine Microsoft has the same problem as Google, which is internally prioritizing flashy new things over maintaining useful old things. That’s why Google comes out with so many new things and kills so many old things.
If you want a raise/promotion/etc., you have a better shot at it by bragging about the new feature/service you launched than bragging about maintaining the relatively stable project that’s been running for years but could use some improvements.
It’s a really bad structure imo and I hate that Google and other companies prioritize like that :/
Same with the US govt.
Do u mean doge?
Has anyone tried the new Atari Outlook? You want open that in Atari outlook?
Nah! I use shoelace outlook exclusively. I know its deprecated but just pull the chord a little and it’s as good as new!
All of Microsoft office products haven’t changed for the good in more than a decade. I still use office 2007 on my personal desktop and 90% of the features and buttons are in the same spot as the current office 365 offering.
Only thing that is an improvement is live collaboration, but that’s getting constantly screwed up by one drive sucking ass.
They have managed to fuck up something as simple as right clicking. There are no words.
It’s even crazier to think they participated in establishing the right click paradigm to begin with.
Dude they fucked up Ctrl+S and Alt+F in paintbrush and it still fucks with my workflows.
You know you’re an old time user when you call it paintbrush :)
Deadnaming done right
I’ve been paying for Office365 home for years. Recently I started a business and signed up for 365 Business for the company email address.
Outlook stopped working, because the 365 Business account - which I specifically signed up in order to do email - doesn’t include local Outlook, and my existing home-licensed one throws a hissy fit if I try connecting it to my business account.
Microsoft sucks.
How… how do they not have a smooth on-ramp for what is basically a straight upgrade to the same service?!
I’ve stepped away from Microsoft. Not my favourite company regarding mailing and chatting.
Microsoft anything = confuses people
