I’m European and I’m disabled so I don’t earn a lot. I plan on swapping my 30 years old Opel Corsa with a Yaris sometime in the far future. It’ll be the last car I buy. Oh, I hate SUVs.
I hate the trend of everyone driving SUVs. I drive a small sedan and I hate not being able to see around me because everyone is driving big SUVs or trucks.
Plus, I get blinded with their lights because their headlights are shining on my rearview mirror.
Just bought an 11 year old car for 12k. Because a new one would’ve wiped out my savings and then some after saving for 5 years to replace my 20 year old car. Nobody can afford shit.
People need to stop “pretending” they can afford all this shit, it’s not needed and noone cares, who are people showing off too?
New iphone? Don’t need it
Maybe if we stop buying shit these companies will actually try
I bought a boat last year and now I want a bigger one. I’ve got lots of disposable income because I don’t live beyond my means. Lots of people carry credit card debt and spend stupidly. Don’t do that and you’ll likely be ahead of most people.
The boats are around 2k. Not huge rich guy money.
The cost of a boat is primarily in upkeep, not price. You’ll see.
You say primarily. Only really on the long term. It’s mid 20 foot sail boats. I can learn to do fiberglass/painting, etc myself. Paying tradesmen is where the cost is.
Fiberglass ain’t cheap either brother. You need to fix a water tank? Just looking at fiberglass makes your wallet lighter $500, and costs rise exponentially.
Problem with your inverter? Batteries? Generator? 3k a piece, and that’s if you’re shopping around.
Don’t get me wrong, I live off-grid and after doing it for a few years we decided a while back that if it’s not rated marine we just aren’t interested in it. Everything rusts. Every bullshit thing in the market is designed to fail after 200 cycles, just past the 180day warranty. But marine ratings are actually enforced. So everything we own has steadily become aluminum or stainless steel. Redoing finishes and waterproofing, oiling. Protecting shit from the weather is almost a full time job.
And then the canvas. And the rigging. And the ropes. Rope is without question my favorite tool. I know a solid 50+ knots I can do blindfolded, upside down and behind my back hanging in a tree. Bro, I love sailing, and rigging for that matter, and I won’t even do what your doing and I’m in my early 40s, childless, no debt, own two businesses, have no rent or mortgage payment - and I can’t afford a boat.
Godspeed my man.
I just love him arguing with you when you clearly were speaking from wisdom gained by experience (even if it’s experience of others, idk)
There’s a reason there is a famous joke about the happiest days of a boat owners life are the day he bought it and the day he sold it.
But if anyone knows a work around I’d say this OP is a bit down that list already lol
I’m not rebuilding a boat. I’m finding a boat in good condition with space to basically camp for a week. Inverter? Generator? Bro I’m not buying a yacht. I’m looking at 50 year old boats built like tanks with matching accomodations. Just want to get out there and have some fun. Lines can get rough and ugly but still have years in them when it’s double braid. Also it’s going to be in fresh water for most of its life. Merely interested in patching any bad looking stuff with fairing compound, hit it with some bottom paint every now and then. I already passed on a 1972(?) Pearson 26 (soft spots in the deck), now looking at an Ericson 27 instead.
Forget this guy. Just go enjoy your boat if its within your means. Not everybody wants to or is psychologically able to sit around and do nothing in the name of saving money. Maybe boats are depreciating assets, but so too are our lives.
I bought a boat last year and now I want a bigger one…I don’t live beyond my means…spend stupidly…
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Homie. You just bought the largest money sink there is. You can drop 20k into your 2k boat and when you turn around and sell it you’ll get your 2k back, that’s it, maybe. All the amenities are nice, but no one cares if the all the outlets match the drapes - that’s why buying either is stupid, financially.
Fences are another good example. They can cost tens of thousands…EASY. In fact if I heard a neighbor fenced even one side of their yard for under 5k id be in shock. They make a place more livable, more comfortable. They increase the likelihood of a sale but they don’t increase property value so you’re never getting a return on that money.
Be it fences, boats, outlet covers or drapes, those are all emotional purchases. Their value is subjective, so most find when it’s time to move on from them theyre the only ones who see that value.
Like go spend 5k on a couch. How much you think your gonna get for that? Or your mattress?
Better live on your next boat if you like life on the water. It’s literally the only way I’ve ever seen anyone who works for a paycheck hold onto a boat. A real boat. The kind that you have to moar and drydock once every few years. Only way.
It’s a hobby. I’m doing a proper checking to make sure everything is sound and not putting money in for it to look pretty, just to sail around and camp on the water on the weekend. Like I said I’m far from broke.
To be clear, you can have any hobby you want my man, that’s cool. You do you. I’m not taking umbrage due to your taste or aesthetics. The part that offends is your condescending attitude towards other peoples spending, while you do one of the most expensive “hobbies” there are. If the contrast isn’t striking to you or you think you’ve earned some next level respect, having risen above the mere mortals and all, well then you just come off quite Antoinette, and as a quick reminder, that’s not a good look either.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that’s what this is or putting you on blast, I’m just saying it’s bringing these vibes to me and putting that on the table. You do with it what you will. If there’s something I can tell ya that’s universal across cultures, it’s lend a hand to help, bring people up with you, and attack up, not down, especially with jokes, opinions and attitudes.
Otherwise you’re just a kiss ass for people with more money/power than you. And idk man, some people are comfortable licking boots and kneeling, I don’t get it but it is what it is, it’s just not something I can quantifying into a price. The rest of us just have to cope, I guess, with owning our dignity, integrity and spines. For some people everything is for sale.
I was merely offhanded mentioning what I was planning on spending the money I’ve saved by not owing high interest credit card debt. Partly as a way to share my excitement on a minor thing.
I’ve passed on the boat I looked at today as it’s a bit too much work and money to bring up. I try to make sound financial decisions.
Bro Im not trying to add to a chorus of people who’re gonna tell you not to have your hobby. I adore everything about sailboats, that being said, the only way I’ve seen anyone stay on top of the things is by living in it, which maybe you should consider. Mooring costs aren’t as high as rent payments are, at least, not yet. Fuck if my wife would agree, that’s exactly what I’d do in a heartbeat. Then I’d get the boat ready over a year or two and sail down to Patagonia and try to win over an adventurous penguin.
In a heartbeat.
And props on not carrying debt. Debt is just slavery with more steps. Jesus lost his shit one time in the bible. He even forgave his killers. But the fucking money lenders, the bankers, he fucked their shit up. Based Jesus. If he were around today, after a couple months he’d put down the internet porn, look around and say ‘i fucking told you guys 2000 years ago, for fucks sake’.
Dude not everything has to turn a profit, people are familiar with depreciating assets, they are allowed enjoy things though.
Honestly I thought fences was a euphemism because there’s no way you think people invest in fences for financial reasons. It’s for aesthetics and privacy.
They’ll just cut you off from your subscription if you don’t buy buy buy.
That’s all the 80 month car loans are at this point.
I’m curious. What car did you buy? I hate how everything is so inflated. I bought a mint civic si for 8 grand like 6 years ago. I kinda want insight/realize everything is fucked.
You got yours 6 years ago. 8k was about average for a decent used car then. Now you’re paying almost full price for a 5 year old car or if you’re okay with a shit box that may or may not last then you can drop 5k. I got a 2012 GTI.
We picked up a 12 year old civic hatchback before Covid for 5k and it was in immaculate like-new condition, low miles. It got totaled right after our other car’s engine finally wore out. I then found a 10 year old Toyota for 16k. It was the lowest price in a 200-mile radius for cars/small trucks with under 150k miles on them that weren’t limping/totaled/savaged.
It was fucking flabbergasting.
I can’t afford a used car. My dad helped me buy my current car and if it does I’m fucked.
2 years ago I was in need of a new truck (work related). Practically all the used stuff that’s worth a dam was priced not far behind if not more than new. The kicker, the new ones I was interested in weren’t available…so I was forced to buy used.
shrug and?
I know most people want “New cars” and fine, go chase that over priced luxury, but I’d rather a car that’s 1-2 years old that’s dropped more than half the price, and being passed over because new shiny thing came out.
People shouldn’t have to drive beaters, but buying a car for 10k isn’t a bad decision unless you’re extremely well off our only care about status symbols.
Like there’s a reason I was able to buy a house, and a good job helped, but also my wife and I lived with in our means, which is something I feel that isn’t talked about in the consumerism age. (You can buy something new, but for most things you don’t need a yearly iphone/car/or anything. A good 50 inch tv works well for a tenth of the price of the newest one. ) And yet I see people complain about not having a lot of money yet they’re always talking about the newest graphics cards, newest tvs, and newest tech… I wonder why.
Arguable the case for purchasing a brand new vehicle starts to make more sense as BEV become the majority as the batteries are a consumable that degrades with use and time. So long as the increased price is offset by the longer utilization of that battery.
Yeah, of course… But they’re also replaceable. You can even check the individual cells, swap out the worst ones with cells from other used packs, and end up getting back up to decent capacity. There’s a whole statistics, mean time to failure aspect to batteries - it’s not going to take them back to new, but swapping out the worst cells can get you a lot better performance
Or you could just replace the batteries with newer, likely better, battery banks. The first option needs a certain scale, but would be cheap, the second would be a straight range upgrade over even the factory range.
There’s also the fact that electric cars are much more mechanically simple - this is unlikely to catch on under our current economic system, but it’s way easier to swap electric motors than an engine…
My points being, I think we need to make way less cars, and electric cars are actually easier to repair (at least from a physics and resource perspective, hostile design and economic pressures could easily eat up that difference)
we need right to repair laws for cars so this is possible
The problem with replacing individual cells is you’ll end up with cells with different wear levels which means different discharge rates and capacities (max voltage). The battery management system can mitigate some of the problems that arise but can only do that while chargering. While the battery is in use or sits for an extented period of time the cells will try to level out the voltage difference causing loss in capacity and a potential fire risk if the cells are too out of balanced.
Replacing the battery with new better batteries isn’t really an option either as any significant increase in power density would be from a change in battery chemistry and that would also require changing out the on board charging circuit and related systems. There’s also the issue that the majority of charge points providers state in their TOS that the use of any aftermarket parts or modifications to your battery or charger is forbidden so you are essential blacklisted from using any DC fast charger.
That’s why I mentioned pairing cells from multiple used battery packs… This isn’t magic, it’s numbers… You pair like with like, and by removing the underperforming cells, you get rid of the dead cells bringing down the whole bank because they can’t hold a charge. The fire risk is also greatly overstated… Batteries and management circuits have come a long way. You could swap in new cells and it would be fine… It would just be a waste, the new cells would degrade faster than their spec sheet implies.
And as far as matching like with like, you can build a lithium cell tester at home to profile each cell for a few dozen dollars… Literal hobbiest level stuff
And you most definitely can upgrade with newer, better batteries. There’s three numbers - energy density, voltage, and discharge rate. You can upgrade the density to the moon, so long as the other two match it’s a drop in replacement… And these three things are a tradeoff when you build the battery, so a better battery bank with the same output and voltage is just going to make you car run further, easy as that.
Yeah, TOS might stand in your way, but that’s economic pressures, not an engineering issue. We could entirely solve that problem through force of law. On the topic, let me take this opportunity to promote right to repair - companies are going to feed us a lot of bullshit reasons why we need to throw it all away and replace everything fresh… They have every incentive to make us believe that. It’s less work for them to say “that’s not an approved use”, they make far more money if they convince us they are the only ones that can fix it… it’s an economic alignment problem, the engineering solution is well understood
but also my wife and I lived with in our means, which is something I feel that isn’t talked about in the consumerism age.
the problem is the basic cost of living is going up beyond what can be afforded and people scream at you about not making extremely bad decisions you didn’t even make and don’t have to in order to end up struggling.
I’d rather a car that’s 1-2 years old that’s dropped more than half the price […]
Except that doesn’t really happen anymore. Shoot, I’ve seen some cars appreciate in value after they roll off the lot in recent years. Hoping that reverses soon, but it sure isn’t like it used to be.
Take the Toyota 4runner for example - they’re incredibly reliable because they are simplistic in many ways with bullet proof components. You can even find 5 year old models that are within 5k of a new one.
I have a 2020 rav4 and it is only valued at $3k less than what I paid for it brand new. This isn’t a reality anymore.
I got a 2021 car last year with 6000km on it . It was almost full price .
Probably because it only had 6000 km on it. Average is closer to 15000 km/year.
Don’t look at pickup prices. Mine was worth the same at 2 years as new.
So sell it and get new
A decade ago I was able to buy a shitbox Silverado 1500 crew cab for under $15k that ran till it rusted out from under me halfway back from the moon. It hauled garbage, pig feed, and two moves without a complaint. Same truck today would be $30k minimum and at that price I’d be too afraid of scratching it to have any fun.
Look at this guy with his $10k…
Get a better job. If you can’t afford a $10k car, you’re doing something wrong…
Why don’t I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into job land, where jobs grow on jobbies?
The only thing that’s being done wrong here is you defending the system and not the individual.
You understand that if someone in a low paid job gets a better paid job, the low paid job does not disappear in a puff of smoke? That the proportion of people in low paid work is a function of political decisions as to what the economy should look like?
I mean, the headline is fucking ridiculous (we don’t need anything like 10% of car sales to be new cars). But so is giving careers advice as a solution to the high prevalence of shit pay.
Yeah it’s insane. I bought a 1 year old Hyundai and knocked tons of depreciation off an already cheaper brand.
At my work people be driving around in leased Range Rovers/AMG Mercs. Then they will take the piss out of my car.
Seriously? I now have more disposable income because i’m not wasting it renting a car and also I own my car… It should be me bragging
Yet CEOs and billionaires are making more money than ever. Something has to give and soon…
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We should not be building our cities in ways that necessitate owning a car.
It’s about oil and profits. They want us to need a car to go anywhere. More cars, more oil, more profits, RIGHT?
That ship has sailed a long time ago
Never too late to change. Just look at Amsterdam now vs a couple decades ago
I’d argue that Amsterdam isn’t a great example, as the infrastructure of that city was largely built before the advent of automobiles, then converted to support a more Americanized design that was vehicle-centric, before finally realizing, “Hey, we’re Dutch, not American, we need more space for our bicycles!”
If we’re discussing American infrastructure designed in the 20th century, it seems to be pretty difficult to convert because the physical structures of both the transportation infrastructure and the destinations people want to visit are not built densely enough to make going without a car a top tier option for most people.
I mean this broadly, not to say that there aren’t opportunities to start moving this in the other direction, but emphasizing that changing the focus to downplay the importance of vehicles will be neither quick, cheap, or easy.
I mean… I figure nearly half of us cities were designed before 1900, to some extent anyhow.
Like st Louis was incorporated in 1822. Plenty of cities were clearly designed before the automobile and then gave up the plot for Robert Moses bullshit.
city cores and select transit corridors are going to be where the nice stuff’s built, but there are going to be pockets of car hell for decades. these places will probably start losing value and the farthest out ones will start disappearing to abandonment
I know Jersey City has made a big push to bikify the city, and limited parking in new high-density development, with the idea being if you build it, they will come. It’s part of an overall plan that they date out to 2060. Shit takes time. Doesn’t mean you don’t try though, that’s for sure. I’m hopeful.
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not really. it’s a choice that’s remade every year. we can fix it, and people are trying.
You’re right, let’s not change with the times but just lay down and die, nothing is worth the effort.
What are we gonna do, nuke all the suburbs and cram everyone into little pods?
For example the minimum parking rules could be changed to allow buildings to not have parking
Commercial buildings then could occupy their entire block, if they don’t need all that space, more stuff fits in the city
Zoning could change, allowing more commercial stuff in the suburbs, more homes in the city
bro, capitalism is going to cram you into a pod no matter what we do with urban planning, because rich people control more and more of all the wealth and thus land. if anything breaking car dependence would make pods less likely because you could build real apartments in more places
Lmao. This is so ignorant
It’s gonna be crashing on the shore pretty soon at this rate.
Nerevar, what do you need a car for? You have all the siltstriders in the world at your disposal. Here, take the keys to Juan Angelito. He’s my favorite.
The newest car I’ve ever owned (and currently own) is a 2007 model. Not gonna lie, with all the BS getting loaded into cars nowadays I think I’ll keep it that way. It’s easier just to have a couple of cheap shitboxes in the driveway that way you have something to drive when one of them inevitably needs work
I got a almost new 2021 last year and there’s no key hole for the door so when the key fob battery died in the middle of the winter I was stuck outside looking up on YouTube how to unlock my car . Turns out you have to pry off a piece of plastic that I ended up breaking to use my key to unlock the door . It also sets off an alarm when you open the car that way . Who thought that was a good idea ! To make things worse it was like -30 C and I had my 5 year old with me because we where sliding.
That’s why you read the manual, especially for a complex peace of tech, when you buy the thing. Just because you didn’t bother to look up how stuff works doesn’t make it bad. This one’s on you.
It’s also your responsibility to know and understand these things before you spend tens of thousands of dollars on any purchase. It’s not like it suddenly got like that when you got into that situation.
Just because you read it, doesn’t mean you retain the information after.
Or how about you don’t fix something that ain’t broken. This push to start shit is a cancer
I fucking love my push to start.
It’s easier, more secure, and cool to boot.
If my key fob dies I just stick it in a hole on the steering column and it starts right up. The door key is easily accessible in the fob, and the batteries aren’t difficult to replace regardless.
Honestly good. There are plenty of used and pre-owned vehicles that just need minor repairs or tune-ups. I drive a used 2015 Chevy Spark, financed it back in 2022 and it’s nearly paid off. My car only needed a new battery, new tires, and an oil change. My mom on the other hand financed a new luxury Acura RDX back in 2018 as an upgrade from her 2006 Honda CRV, she’s still making payments to this day. I asked why she didn’t get a newer Honda CRV and she said that she didn’t want the same vehicle as a McDonald’s worker.
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When have most Americans ever been able to afford to buy new?
Has the US been anything but a scam since its inception?
After the “cash for clunkers” thing reduced the used car market buying new made more sense because of price and warranty. You also get better financing rates on new vs used. Bought my Subaru new in 2019 and could sell it for about what I paid.
I was told in the 90’s that in America if your car was 3 years old, your neighbor might worry you weren’t doing too well, and you could buy 6 year old luxury cars for peanuts.
Luxury cars are notorious for not holding their value, unless by “luxury” you mean performance cars, so that’s normal.
I was born after the 90s so I wouldn’t know, but generally speaking I’d always heard the average car in America is ten years old.
In my 40’s here and never bought a new car. Every one gets a little less old though!
Same, but I’ve never bought an old car either, or gotten a drivers license. But I’m in the Netherlands and the times I truely need a car are negligible.
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New cars?
Shit, we can’t even afford groceries
A nonreligious Amen to that.
Don’t buy a new car. New cars are for rich suckers. Cars are the most common type of depreciating asset.
I saw this on TikTok and it’s been burned into my brain since.
https://cdn1.frocdn.ch/vZBqPK4EuWepdGt.mp4 (link might not work with some security settings).
The amount of money seemingly regular people are dumping into car payments is unreal.
Could you link the clip somewhere else? That host is blocked in basically every layer imaginable for me - uBlock, bad SSL settings and AdGuard
If you care enough, just open it up in a private window or a new profile. Also, unless you don’t want whoever is between you and their server (if anyone is) knowing you watched a TikTok video of a woman going around asking other woman what their car payments are, bad SSL settings is whatever.
Here’s the original link: https://www.tiktok.com/@toyotacargirls/video/7202381347908832558
I just didn’t want to deal with people complaining about “A TIKTOK? ON MY LEMMIES?”
Either way, I can’t win with you people.
Is the previous host your own server? You can get a free, good, and well recognised SSL certificate through LetsEncrypt. It’s dead easy to set up and there are many guides on how to do it
Though your link works fine for me on Chrome on Android, so I don’t really know what the others were complaining about
Edit to add, the site has a CloudFlare certificate and security, that should be fine
No, it’s not my server. It’s well known file host that allows anyone to upload anything to it.
Trying to figure out how to flush my DNS cache on my phone was just a little bit too much, to be honest.
An alternative for next time could be to link the clip through ProxiTok, that’s unlikely to offend anyone.
On the topic of the clip, hot damn. I’ve seen similar videos from other car dealerships before, and it’s always so damn depressing to see.
I’ve had 3 cars the first was 10yo when i bought it, the second was 3yo when i got it, the last one was new. Each one lasted 5 years, 12 years and then 10 years respectively. Moved to a walkable/bikeable city & I don’t even have a driver’s license anymore. New cars are not bad as long as it doesn’t get changed out every other year, and you get one that is a reliable model.
You had a brand new car that only lasted 10 years?? What are you doing to your cars??
My friend has a 1993 Toyota Land Cruiser that the mechanic said drives like new.
I have a 2008 Nissan 350z that I’d expect to get another 10 years out of.
Sold it when we moved out of the country, lol. It was a 2007 FJ Cruiser we got for 18k, sold it for 10k. Only changed the starter (drowned it), and a couple other things. Best vehicle I ever owned.
If you’re rich you don’t care
exactly why you should go for a second hand one if you aren’t drowning in generational wealth.
What? My point stands. If you care, you aren’t rich. You just have some cash from a few good years.
Would you care about the deprecation in value of your toothbrush?
Who are you even arguing to? Literally no one disagrees with you. Someone even replied to you to say they don’t disagree with you and you doubled down. You gotta relax man.
Huh? I made one reply in this thread when someone suggested that even the rich would be enticed by second hand, by u/potato
One reply sticking to your original point is not being rustled.
Taking out a loan for a vehicle does not mean you are rich lol.
Anyone can get financing for a shitty new car, not everyone can figure out how to retire by the age of 55
I mean, that’s how it’s always been, isn’t it? When I was young, admittedly some time ago, there would be that one guy where you lived who had his own business, and bought a new car every three years
Literally everyone else had second hand cars. Peer pressure and advertising are the only things that have changed this
In fact, cars are far more reliable now so it makes more sense to buy second hand now
Incidentally, I used to have a rule about 20 years ago that I’d never buy a car between 5 and 8 years old because that’s when everything started to go wrong. After that, all the shitty bits had been replaced!
I wonder if that’s changed or shifted now
