Some Tesla engineers secretly started designing a Cybertruck alternative because they ‘hated’ it::“They were like, ‘You can’t be serious.’ They didn’t want to have anything to do with it,” Franz von Holzhausen said, according to Walter Isaacson.
I thought he was always the only engineer tho. This implies he does not do his own designs. Very sus. /s
musk is not an engineer
Engineer =/= designer
He’s not the designer, either, that’s the sad part… He just chose between designs others created.
He’s a designer the way Nigel Tuffnel designed the Stonehenge set piece on a napkin.
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It was supposed to be sarcasm but I guess it didn’t translate well via text. I’ll add the /s, sorry :)
(I am an engineer, so this lie by him has always irked me)
Maybe the truck should get a chance to throw a steel ball at Elon’s face.
i’m really excited for this isaacson bio; i loved his steve jobs one, but i read that in high school, bright eyed and wanting to go into tech. lol.
I am still very confused why it’s not called the X Truck or CyberX TruX or something stupid containing the letter X
He already has the Tesla Model X. Probably why.
The Tesla models are S, 3, X and Y. Because Musk is a child. He’s such a child that he tried to get the 3 to be Model E, but Ford owned the trademark.
He is also such a child that he had to give his daughter Exa Dark the nickname Y, because he forgot he named his other son X.
He is also a douchebag. Fucking dude has
710 kids claims to spend half the week with all of them. Claims he works over 100 hours a week and somehow also is the best person to be CEO of four companies… want proof CEOs don’t really do much work. Here it is.12 kids.
Whoa, hold on. Who are the other 2? I am now counting up to 10: X, Y, Tau, Griffin, Vivian, Damian, Saxon, Kai, Azure and Strider.
Who am I missing? Are you sure your not thinking of Nick Cannon? Lol
Looks like we were both off: https://pagesix.com/article/elon-musk-children/
So it’s 10 living kids + a SIDS death, which is tragic altho I struggle to feel any pain for Musk.
Makes me wonder if there’s a psychological link between losing his first and having a breeding fetish. My money says no because he’s a sociopath and his father clearly does the same, if not worse, shit. Still an interesting idea to wonder about.
What a fucking ding dong this guy is.
Hasn’t Tesla’s design language always been about not rocking the boat aesthetically? The model S looks nice, but except for the lack of a grille it kinda just looks like any other car. You could make an EV look pretty weird as you don’t really need an engine compartment, but it’s harder to sell someone on both an exotic drivetrain and an exotic appearance. This think looks like it fell out of blade runner…
It also doesn’t look very aerodynamic. I have some concerns about range, especially considering that Tesla doesn’t exactly have the best record of honesty in that particular area.
I guess we’ll see how it sells. Eventually.
This think looks like it fell out of blade runner…
The entire reason I was ever potentially interested in the cybertruck was how fuckin weird it looks.
Specifically this take from another poster
This thing looks like it fell out of the 1997 Blade Runner computer game if Westwood had decided to go with polygonal 3D graphics
I love that shit.
It looks weird but no worse than any other truck. Anyone that tells you an F150 is aesthetically pleasing is full of shit.
This thing looks like it fell out of the 1997 Blade Runner computer game if Westwood had decided to go with polygonal 3D graphics instead of pre-rendered FMV and voxel 3D.
Am I the only person besides Elon who likes the cybertruck? I hate agreeing with that idiot on anything, but I think the cybertruck looks cool.
I’ll get one if it has 500 miles of range. I have a reservation but might wait to see how close Chevy gets before making a choice.
It could look like a potato for all I care as long as it can haul a bed full of stuff for 500mi.
Rivian is offering a 400 mile range, with 600 bHP!
Tesla is notorious for lying about their range.
I have a model Y LR w/ 320 mi of range, and I have actually gotten that range before in ideal conditions, but yeah, it’s unlikely at best.
I’m in no rush, I can wait to see what Chevy and Tesla do before deciding. Maybe Rivian comes out with a 500mi R1S and I’ll just deal with a trailer.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/
It’s not just an ideal conditions thing, Tesla is further away from their EPA estimates than every competitor. It’s borderline fraudulent and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it at least land in court.
I would buy any number of things from anyone else because of how big a liar Elon is, and how much he seems to get involved in fucking things up.
I mean, ok, I get that, but it’s never been an issue for me personally. I’ve never had a vehicle that hit it’s EPA estimate when I drive 85+ with the AC at full blast when it’s 105+ outside. My truck is rated for 517 highway and I’ve never got more than 330 out of a tank, so, it is what it is I guess.
Edit: So I’m saying I assume I’ll need 500mi to hit ~350mi, that’s always been my base assumption.
Ah gotcha, well… You might still need even more from Tesla then, because they exaggerate more than their competitors.
It’s intentionally designed to look polarizing. You’re not gonna find a lot of people sitting on the fence on this one and since it looks so different from every other car on the market there’s gonna be a lot of people who aren’t into the change. But yeah I hate it.
It looks like a car drawn by a 5 year old.
I’m not even saying that as an insult, that’s literally what it looks like.
My problem with it is that it’s just extremely boring imo
I thought the concept looked cool, but the one driving around now looks absolutely fucking terrible imo.
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It’s this. I want a Tron themed EV and I want it to not look stupid driving around suburbia.
And I’m afraid that those two things are mutually exclusive. Part of the cyberpunk aesthetic is the lack of soccer moms and hotdog stands.
It looks like a cheap, “futuristic” car that would be in a vintage sci-fi movie.
I mean, there is nothing else on the road that looks like it for better or worse
I like it, but honestly, the bigger reason I want it is the supposed 14k+ tow capacity.
If it doesn’t actually achieve that, which I’m definitely dubious it will, it’s a nonstarter for me.
I’d expect that to arrive at the same time as the unbreakable glass and the full self driving.
I think it looks okay but it’s just way too big
It’s smaller than a F-150.
That’s too big too
I disagree with you, but not because I’m a particular fan but because I think trucks are meant to do a job and not be any kind of showpiece or daily errand-runner. To me, a truck should be large and capable and only used when those capabilities are needed.
Honestly, the current consumer electric trucks are silly because their performance envelope is very small compared to their price. They are too expensive and heavy (in lithium and energy consumption) to make sense as a grocery getter and they are too limited to actually haul a real load or take a trailer camping.
I applaud the effort and I do think the F-150 is cool and represents solid progress in the state of the art, but I think the most efficient and environmental option is to keep a smaller efficient electric sedan for most routine driving and maintain an older large diesel truck for when it’s needed. No need to build new iron, there’s plenty of good trucks that can be kept on the road with TLC.
There are also industrial electric and hybrid (turbine-electric) trucks which are amazing, but we’re talking multi million dollar specialty vehicles.
I agree with you fully here. Probably why I have a 500e for commute and a '95 F-250PSD for when I need a truck.
I love it too. It’s completely ridiculous and ugly in a way that appeals to me.
I’m indifferent to it, but the amount of people who give a shit is hilarious to me. If it goes 500+ miles, requires no paint and is cheaper than other electric trucks, it’s a win in my book. So weird how people use vehicles as an extension of who they are. It’s a fucking truck. Have you seen the competition? Tundras, F150, Sierra, and Silverado all look like ass.
If it goes 500+ miles, requires no paint and is cheaper than other electric trucks, it’s a win in my book
I also would think it’s a win if it flies, turned water into wine, and had an automatic blowjob machine installed, which is about as likely to be true as the rest of this shit.
They do all look like utter shit. But the cybertruck looks like single-digit iq shit, the other ones are at least closer to the center of the bell curve, even if they have tribal tattoos, goatees, and listen to the home depot guitar riff on repeat.
Yep.
I mean I respect the opinion. I honestly think the design just needs to be workshopped. You could absolutely market a futuristic all metal pickup with bullet proof windows and all the other stupid shit it does. It’s just the design that’s the problem. It’s all Elon, and as we know now Elon is actually dumb as fuck. He’s a guy who mistook his type two bipolar symptoms as ‘flashes of genius’, got lucky in the dot com boom, and is now too rich to be told no.
You need that guy in your corner that says ‘I like the first draft Elon, but what if we changed a few things, I think you’re on to something’. Elon fired all those guys. And he probably flatly refused to change his initial design. So we have this stupid shit.
I mean, I doubt he did any of the designing of the truck at all…he may have pointed at some presented options and selected this one, but that’s probably the most “designing” he did…this is the shitty design-work of other people, put on display by him.
All I can think about when I hear about how this guy conducts himself in business is Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley
I think it’s mostly that the roof comes to a point. If it had a flat roof it’d look a lot better.
Yes. It looks stupid.
Drive one from California to Texas and see where the body panels pop off.
Barstow.
It’s looks like a little kid was drawing a house and halfway said, fuck it, it’s a car and put wheels on it.
Homer Simpson designed a better car than Elon.
I think a sequel to that episode is due.
where elon musk sees the car homer designed and makes a truck version
It looks like a shitty futuristic movie prop
Not just shitty, but extremely cheap.
From the 80s
Needs a vaporwave background. With a palm tree.
Now this I want to see. What did the engineers working on their own side project come up with?
Completely flat steel’s gonna ding like a bitch and it’ll never come out. You’ll need an entire new sheet to replace it if you want it to look right.
That said, it will never look right since it’s not being built with thermal expansion in mind.
You could Bondo and paint the entire thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But nothing will ever make it look good
It‘ll also slice really nicely through pedestrians. I don’t see this being allowed in most EU countries.
The US laws on bumpers has been refined in blood over the years. At least 20% of the people I know in my area have damaged their car by hitting a deer.
How will this truck fare if hitting a 90 kg deer? It’s different enough that it might be substantially different (better or worse) than a more conventional truck.
I’m also reminded of a famous car made of paneled stainless steel. It was a terrible car and ruined the company that made it. It’s only remembered fondly because of a popular movie series.
To be fair, John DeLorean got nabbed and imprisoned for coke before the company could stabilize
Fingers crossed for Elon
Well if you’re going to make a time machine out of a car, why not do it with some STYLE
Doc Brown was secretly a coke head, and DeLorean was his dealer. He threw the car in for free when he delivered the last couple kilos to Doc.
How do you think he got matched up with the Libyans? It’s not everyday you get offered to help smuggle nuclear material…
and yet, each new generation of vehicles has less and less of an actual bumper, meanwhile the cost to replace basic shit like headlight housings have skyrocketed. I live in deer country too, and you have to add your own aftermarket bumper if you want any real protection.
From the sound of it you’d be lucky to get it off the lot /s
Fr tho I bet it’d cut the deer in half. Then again it’s kinda huge, so maybe it would just ramp up on top of the deer and launch itself.
I assume it’s also crazy fast like most Teslas, so maybe it would just pink mist the poor animal.
I think the truck would be totaled regardless, only real question is if the driver survives and if it catches on fire
I ironically like it
Cyber truck looks absolutely shit. The only thing it had going for itself was that it would have been the very first fully electric pick up truck - when it was first announced.
After more than 5 years Tesla is nowhere close to mass producing the ugly while Ford stole the thunder with announcing and launching the F150 Lightning. If I was in market for an EV pick up, I’d no longer consider Tesla cyber truck, let alone the Fascist ElMo’s shenanigans.
The “micron precision” memo that leaked tells me they’re nowhere close to mass production. At my old job, tolerances were pretty much set when we finished a design for a large chemical unit operation – which was typically built within two years. I would expect mass production of something like a car to not to take too much longer.
Good luck getting a base model F150 at a decent price. I tried earlier this year and only 3 dealers East of the Mississippi had the base model and they all wanted $30,000 OVER MSRP. Ford can lick my butt for not making enough base models and trying to push their XLT and platinums starting at $75k. I need a truck to work in not have it open and close the lift gate for me.
At this point I’ll take a shit looking truck at a decent price over whatever the duck Ford and their dealers thought was a good idea with producing so little of the base model, not to mention base model with extended range batteries were ONLY available to fleet purchasers.
It’s almost like lithium supply chains are absolutely fucked, and EVs would get zero traction without government subsidies.
Feels good though. Saving the world. (/S)
We actually just discovered the largest deposit of lithium on earth in Nevada, so those should get unfucked in the next couple years.
Kansas has declared all their children available for the mines.
You are actually allowed to buy directly from the manufacturer. Contact the Ford plant. They’ll sell it to you at MSRP
Not the pro model (base model). You can order direct for all other trims though
Two years ago I was going to but my first ford, my first truck, AND my first electric because it was the same car. On paper the F150 Lightning seems like the most practical family car ever made. Dealer markup and low volume completely killed it. Ford should eliminate dealerships and sell direct with fixed pricing.
It would be great if they just made more base models. They’re “sold out” for this year already, but you still can order the luxury trims for trucks that haven’t been made yet. I’m not convinced that Ford actually wants to sell any base models.
I walked away and bought a Bolt EUV instead.
I see what you did there, stealing thunder with the Lightning.
And yes, Ford’s approach is smart, cheaper, and more utilitarian. Besides, it doesn’t stand out like a smashed thumb in a splint.
It hasn’t even been 4 years
Gotta cut everyone some slack when estimating time since the pandemic. 3 years was 10 years ago.
I’m 46. As far as I’m concerned, the 90s was last week.
Same, and my music taste still reflects that :(
28 – the 2010s feel like just a year or two ago, and my music taste reflects that too :(
You’re right on that one, the struggle is real. Comes up in conversation pretty often.
Rivian also has some decent designs. I know that Ford has a stake in the company, but it’s only holding 12%, so I don’t know that they have much say in what goes on over there.
I could’ve sworn Ford sold out in April. Also I love the idea of a Rivian, looks so good, but one of my customers has had one on order for so long it might as well be the cybertruck to him at this point.
Any day now, the cyber truck will come whizzing down the hyperloop with its sub 10 micron build tolerance and tornado proof glass, fully autonomously driving of course. Any day now.
Just after the Tesla semi!
I really want to see one after it’s hit by a heavy hail storm.
hit by a heavy hail storm.
…or even a champagne bottle!
With its flat body panels flapping in the wind.
Sexy
S3XY.
Obviously, it will have front-mounted flamethrowers.
Amphibiously (briefly)
It’s a finisher car!!!
That was pretty painful. Not even a rumor that he said it, he tweeted it lol
Literally any vehicle can be briefly amphibious.
$10 says he’ll sue to call the vehicle amphibious, autonomous, airborne, and explosion-proof, just because it can briefly be those things.
Any car is amphibious (briefly) 😉
Keep those designs in your back pocket. Teslas gonna need something to replace the Cybertruck with after it flops and investors finally oust Elon.
They’ll never oust him. If they do, they won’t be able to ride Musk’s reputation as an engineering and tech genius and they’ll have to finally address all the issues plaguing Tesla (terrible service, unreliable build quality, various lawsuits) and I doubt they can afford to actually invest in those things and keep turning a profit.
The sales of the Model Y are more than making up for any dud Tesla puts out right now.
