New evidence confirms COVID-19 vaccines are overwhelmingly safe::More than 38 million COVID-19 vaccine doses have been administered in Ontario as of Oct. 8, with 23,002 reports of adverse reactions, an incidence of 0.06 per cent, Public Health Ontario says
I dunno, I got another shot last month and I developed super powers. I flew too close to the sun and caught on fire. I blame the shot. /s
If this is trying to convince skeptics, it’ll do nothing. They’ll go back to Nancy on Facebook and exclaim how they’re putting 5G crystal-infused microchips into your body to turn you into a sky person. Literally nothing will convince the antivax.
My parents were both vaccine skeptics. Covid, and all of public consciousness and education about vaccines, convinced them both that vaccines are important. They got the shot and every booster available. Contrary to the common stereotype of vaccine skeptics, they are both highly educated successful people and when presented with solid evidence that their beliefs were moronic, they changed their thinking. It’s not helpful to be so cynical, because people do change. I see people change their minds about things all of the time. Sometimes for the better and sometimes worse. As long as we remain cynical and unmotivated, the morons win.
YOU CAN’T FOOL ME, STUPID ROUND EARTHERS!!!
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In other news water is wet. Never had any doubt although you can’t use science to convince antivaxers because they just don’t care about facts or logic.
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well I can’t speak for “they” but the argument I heard the most was, not being forced to take a medical procedure, it’s actually very simple.
I took the Covid shoot, twice BTW
and that argument is dumb because they aren’t being forced to take anything, they just can’t force other people to be around them if they want to spread disease everywhere.
lol the Covid shot doesn’t stop the spread, and firing people if they didn’t take a medical procedure or not letting them participate in society is very Soviet Union of them.
lol the Covid shot doesn’t stop the spread
And the flu shot doesn’t stop the spread of the flu… Because that’s not the point of the flu shot.
The whole point was to lessen the transmission rate and to reduce the severity of the illness. Which the COVID vaccine did very well, especially in at-risk communities.
firing people if they didn’t take a medical procedure or not letting them participate in society is very Soviet Union of them.
You know we’ve been doing that since polio… Right? You can’t get into public schools without immunization paperwork. The only reason you have an opinion about vaccines is because the GOP told you what opinion you should have.
the GOP? I’m a registered Democrat, the Polio vaccine argument is so tired
the Covid shot is not a vaccine, big pharma and politicians hood winked Americans.
Big pharma is not your friend
I’m a registered Democrat,
Do you think falling for gop propaganda as a liberal makes you sound any smarter?
Polio vaccine argument is so tired
Solid rebuttal… Guys, if you don’t have an answer to a question you can just say it’s tired!
the Covid shot is not a vaccine, big pharma and politicians hood winked Americans.
Ahh, a man of words and science! Please tell me, what great place of learning taught you this medical wisdom?
Big pharma is not your friend
Never said it was?
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you should first understand the conservatives argument, I used to be ignorant just like yourself, I stopped talking and started listening, you should try it
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And… What is the conservative argument? That we shouldn’t have to submit to something as unremarkable as a vaccine, even for the sake of the safety of our fellow citizens?
Does that thought also apply to the draft? Should I have to defend my fellow countrymen if we are attacked? What if I don’t believe defending my country would benefit me personally?
The reason people like you talk in smug platitudes is because there is no consistency in your ideology. You just mouth off generalities and then insults when pressed about the massive amounts of cognitive dissonance you point of view rest upon.
I stopped talking and started listening
Lol, this is your version of “stopped talking”? How about you go ahead and practice that aspect just a little harder?
I don’t know about you guys but I absolutely love the $5000 that is deposited onto my microchip every month! Helps so much with bills! Thanks Obama!
I’m digging that my 5g service gets upgraded every new dose 😎
Where’s that guy that turned into a Newt?
He got better
He got better.
I’m right here. It’s not as bad as you would think.
Tom Paris?
Just don’t drive really fast afterwards and you’ll be fine.
WTF, I’m on my first watch of Voyager and saw that episode yesterday.
Oh boy, you’re in for a wild ride with the Tuvix episode then.
Totally not true, there’s …. Stuff. Dammit, the only thing I came up with to annoy the person giving me the shot was a one liner about improved 5G reception. And I used it twice: so cringey. Where are all the conspiracy nuts when you need them?
Sadly they’re right about one thing, most survive COVID.
Well, not sadly.
I asked for strawberry flavour
Big pharma covering up the fact that 90% of the population died suddenly two years ago.
In other news, fire burns
Amazing what all the efficacy and safety studies said before is still true. It was true before, but now it’s also true.
They’re not safe. They’re 0.06% harmful. That number is probably a lie too, in reality with all the cover ups and bad incentives the number could be as high as 0.1% harmful, that means 40% of cases were covered up or hidden by nurses and doctors who actively went against their hippocratic oath and did something malicious and counter effective to their job. And they don’t even clearly define what harmful is. How many of those 0.1% had mild head aches or nausea? Everyone is stupid but me.
/s
But in all seriousness I’m not sure if it’s better to admit that it’s not 100% safe because a lot of people think they will be the unlucky one out of 1000 to get a headache or a mild rash or the 1 out of 100000 that has something more severe. People who are generally anti vax have a hard time grasping these numbers and also seem to be completely wilfully blind to the increased danger from getting actual Covid. They think they’ll be fine and either won’t get it or it won’t be bad yet at the same time think they’ll be the unlucky one to get sick from the vaccine
I usually tell people that it’s safer than birth control. 1 in 1000 women experience severe complications from birth control, and we hand that stuff out like candy.
I don’t think that’s making the point you think it is.
Depends on if people are willing to listen to facts of incidence of actual adverse effects from the vaccine or not, something like 1 in 2.6 million people will see adverse side effects (depending on source of statistic). Also depends on what health issue you’re looking for issues with. But the overwhelming concensus is that the vaccine is safe. 1 in 1000 is orders of magnitude larger than the covid vaccine adverse effects.
So true. Sadly it’s often those same types of people against vaccines who are against birth control as well.
What’s even the point? More evidence isn’t going to change anyone’s mind.
That’s how the scientific community works. Test and retest the theory. Unexciting results are still valuable to lend more credence to the established scientific understanding.
Also, more practically, recent studies are good ammo for disputes with nutter friends and family who still form their entire distrust on an article based on an intentionally bad take on a studys results from early on in the pandemic.
I hope that works for you, I’ve personally given up on them. They are welcome to make their decisions and we avoid the topic since we don’t agree.
Yeah, I have lost causes for sure. I do have a couple more reasonable conservative friends that took a dose or two and stopped, so this is the kind of thing that might not fall on deaf ears
As long as there’s any evidence supporting their argument, confirmation bias will make it impossible to change an antivaxxer’s mind without un-indoctrinating them. The best most of us can hope for is preventing anyone else from falling down the rabbit hole.
You’d be surprised. My sibling wasn’t anti-vax but was surrounded by, let’s say less scientifically-inclined people (artists) and didn’t get vaccinated.
Talking over the phone I got my sibling to actually research the topic (actual publications, not social media “do my your own research”) and finally decided to vaccinate.
Some people are probably mostly lost down the social media conspiracy/politics rabbit hole but some aren’t beyond looking at overwhelming evidence and making a reasonable decision based on it.
This is just what goes on in medicine science when things are operating properly. Test, collect data, run experiments, do it again, do it again, then, after the short term use has been proven safe 30 different times, by 100’s of research groups, you start researching the long term affects of it.
New evidence?
“Additional” evidence may have been a better word here. There is a ton of evidence of its safety. For so rarely causing complications compared to pretty much any other type of medical intervention, vaccines do get an insane amount of scrutiny to try and satisfy public phobias.
Because its proactive, not reactive.
Proactive care that works looks like it did nothing. Ape brain no understand event that no see happen.
That’s probably one reason. There’s just something about vaccines that makes people unreasonably paranoid though. I once saw a person about to get an infusion of a pretty dangerous immuno suppressing drug. They had a bad disease, it was worth the risks. They didn’t seem all that concerned though. Before the infusion could happen there was a requirement to get a few vaccines. You know, to help prevent getting seriously ill while you’re immuno suppressed. The vaccines won’t work after the infusion, only before. Person fought their doctors for months refusing any vaccines before finally giving in, getting the vaccines, and finally getting the drug they need.
One of the biggest medical interventions for COVID was intubation. Having experienced unilateral vocal cord paralysis after being intubated for surgery and days after due to complications of the procedure - you really want to avoid it if possible. It took surgery and 18 months for me to speak normally again.
I’ll take feeling crummy for a few days with low risk of actual harm to avoid that happening again.
I was intubated for short periods after some major surgeries and I don’t wish it on anyone, thankfully I didn’t have any issues after the fact like you did.
Also, old evidence confirms it.
I guess whatever it takes to convince the skeptics. Though I figure nothing will convince them once they’ve made up their mind.
Cannot use logic to convince someone whose argument isn’t logical in the first place
I’ve always preferred it phrased as “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into,” but same energy.
I always preferred the Mark Twain quote, “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Because I’ve been beaten bloody with that experience on more than one occasion.
Or: “It’s like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are it’ll knock over your pieces and shit on the board”
Or ‘Never wrestle with a pig because you’ll both get dirty and the pig likes it.’ – George Bernard Shaw
I don’t like calling them “skeptics,” because what they really are is super-gullible with regards to conspiracy theories.
“Science deniers” is a better description.
Step 1. Ask what someone thinks about vaccinations Step 2. Ask them what they think about evolution Step 3. Ask about climate change Step 4. Ask about what church they go to
You will learn so much of this overlaps. So much.
Flat earth. Crystals. Cupping.
Anything to avoid the reality that we’re fucking up society and the planet in favour of ‘we can fix it with woo’ or ‘it’s preordained that we’re all gonna die in god’s wrath-fire’. Neither will lift a finger to fix things.
Nobody wants to live in reality because it’s scary.
“I don’t know… those first fifty studies of vaccine safety didn’t sway me. Maybe 51 will”
There was real reason to be skeptical at first. mRNA vaccines have been in the works for decades and they had just gotten some that work well, then rushed it through. Drug companies aren’t known for being conservative with claims when there’s money to be made.
