I’m all for it.
My system significantly exceeds all the performance requirements for Win11, but it doesn’t have the Trusted Platform Module 2.0…and therefore cannot run Windows 11. It’s disappointing that my system can run circles around a lot of newer devices but can’t upgrade because it’s running on an older motherboard. It’s dumb that Microsoft made TPM 2.0 a deal-breaking requirement for Win11.
Apparently you can get around that with a registry hack that tells the installer the machine has it. Not that I’d want windows 11 anyway…
IIRC if you use Rufus to make your installer USB it has a preset for Win11 with no TPM. Again, not that you’d want to go out of your way to install it but doing it that way is pretty seamless.
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Thanks! I wish I had this info for an old build.
Sidebar: Kind of silly how you and others are tripping over yourselves to include something against win11 while providing tech support. As if you’d be a pariah if you didn’t include some disdain.
“Here’s some win11 troubleshooting advice, not that I’d ever be caught using it! ;)”
Well I’m a sysadmin; it’s in my nature to answer rogue tech questions :p.
I actually daily Win11 on my personal laptop. It’s… fine, realistically. I really only say you wouldn’t go out of your way to install it because if you have a machine that’s working well under Win10, I don’t see a compelling reason to upgrade.
You can just disable that requirement with Rufus
Their pals in the hardware industry say thanks for the ewaste.
I’m curious what CPU you have that is on the supported list but doesn’t support TPM 2.0 in firmware. Or are you just assuming the CPU support list is decided by TPM 2.0 availability?
Because most of the CPU support list is actually about hardware-accelerated virtualization features like MBEC/GMET and the performance penalties of having to emulate them when not present – up to 40% performance loss using kernel virtualization without MBEC/GMET in particular.
Laptop. He has a laptop. But, even if he had a TPM on a higher end Intel 6th and 7th gen Core i7, Win11 still wouldn’t install without workaround.
6th and 7th gen have firmware based TPM that Intel calls PTT. (Though whether it’s available to configure in the BIOS depends on the manufacturer and sometimes the chipset.) But correct, it still needs a workaround because TPM isn’t really the (only) thing it’s checking for.
assuming the CPU support list is decided by TPM 2.0 availability
This was me before I checked the compatibility app. Windows never bothered me with Windows11 update so I thought It didn’t have TPM2.0+. I got curious and used the compatibility checker.
The laptop had TPM 2.1, but CPU is not compatible. oh well…
Probably for the best – using it without those hardware features is rough. I was using a Ryzen 1600AF – which is odd because it’s not on the list although it installs normally with no issue because it’s really an underclocked Ryzen 2600 Zen+ chip. The Zen+ chips are on the support list but they lack some of the virtualization features in hardware. I was seeing a massive difference in performance when I toggled the security settings that used them. Sometimes 15-20% difference in games.
I’d use 11 if my hardware was supported!
Also listen to all these comments about how “hurrr Linux desktop soon brother” No, it fucking isn’t. Burden of usage is too heavy for most people. You know what will happen though? People will buy more devices that use Linux over Windows, like the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck made Microsoft and other vendors outright PANIC and it accounts for a fraction of users.
Because petitioning a company works, yeah
It has already long support if you’re not a sheep and use debloated ltsb…
Trouble is, to upgrade I’d need to do a mobo upgrade, and I’m not doing another mobo upgrade any time soon.
Windows 10 wasn’t great compared to 7, but I bit the bullet on that one because security updates are essential these days, and my workplace is microsoft-centric.
Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.
Windows 10s death is going to force a lot of poorer folks to consider alternatives - and let’s be honest, it’s going to be Linux. The majority of hardware out there in the world can’t run 11, let alone a proposed 12.
For the more technically strong people, I can see that happening but I very much doubt the general public would do that. They probably don’t even know what Linux is.
Yeah less savvy people are going to do what they always do, just keep running their old system but now with even more vulnerabilities due to lack of security update availability.
My dad recently asked me to help with his laptop, which turned out to be running windows xp.
After a lot of hair pulliing I got it kind of working but am gonna give him an old windows 10 (upgraded from 7) laptop, but he’s probably going to be on that indefinitely.
You make a good point - it wouldn’t be a landslide since Linux does form a comparatively small share of the market. However, with the hardware gating, might we not see more companies shifting, which could at least boost public knowledge of Linux?
The cost of switching over to Linux might be higher than simply getting newer hardware. Training people is pretty difficult lol
We know how this is going to end up: many people with obsolete Windows 10 machines full of malware. Botnets are going to live it.
Not supporting intel 7th gen and back seemed pretty strong handed, even now they’re still decent processors.
And I know there are work-arounds but not for the average consumer
I thought people hated windows update? Now they want more windows update?
Well, looks like it may be time to try and see what Linux is all about. Any good recommendations for a relatively Out of the Box experience?
I mostly just browse the web and play games (both single player and multiplayer, mostly AAA but also the occasional indie). On occasion, I also like to do some video editing in Davinci Resolve.
I’ve been using Nobara after messing with Manjaro, and it’s been my go-to distro across multiple computers now.
Handles games incredibly well, built in fixes for Resolve, rock solid otherwise. It’s based on Fedora so very well supported on that front as well.
Garuda Linux. It’s based on Arch but has some extra features to make gaming and graphics setup easier. It also uses an installer so it’s pretty easy to setup.
Linux Mint in the Cinnamon flavor is one of the most beginner-friendly and also has a desktop very similar to Windows.
Been a minute since I used unix/Linux, but “Mint” always had a windows-like experience if you just need a starter distro. Also free.
Everyone will give you a different answer and honestly it’s all Linux, just find one that clicks with you and your workflow.
A couple recommendations are
- fedora (workstation or KDE spin)
- Open suse
- Pop_OS
- Vanilla OS (once 2.0 comes out of beta)
I’ve used all of these and they’re all decent. I ended up sticking with fedora just because I had to tweak it the least to get my workflow how I want it.
Go with Pop!_OS
Very user-friendly and has a straightforward installation process, also comes with strong NVIDIA graphics driver support out-of-the-box if you are using nvidia gpu. Another advantage is the Pop!_Shop, which is akin to an app store and makes software installation easy for newcomers. The GNOME-based user interface is also intuitive and somewhat similar to Windows, easing the transition.
I’m experimenting with Pop_OS on a laptop as my daily driver after playing with different distros in VM environments over the years. There’s definitely a learning curve, but so far so good.
Never mind the millions of PCs that don’t want to downgrade to this garbage.
I would switch to Linux anyway. Does any one knows if SOLIDWORKS and Rhino can work in Linux? I know Maya can, and I only use that as a pipeline to convert NURBS to polygon whenever it is needed.
Krita should get better selection tool for foreground extraction, and it would be very easy to forget Affinity/PS as filters are easier to make with C++ there. No plans to use GIMP, so don’t bring it up.
Hopefully by 2025 gaming in Linux will be greatly improved even more. Until then I’ll keep using Windows 10 and I’ll start saving for an AMD card
Guessing amd has better Linux support? Been running Linux for a while on my laptop but my gaming rig has been a windows strong hold.
I was asking a genuine question not trolling, if it’s true I’ll get an AMD card next!
I join you on this. Nvidia support in Linux is shitty. I kept getting crash with it and proton on GPU intensives games. And you see the games running on and flawlessly… I regret picking a Nvidia card.
I’ve been using Nvidia cards for decades. They work perfectly fine and I’m able to play without a hitch. Sorry to hear about your experience but it’s not the norm.
I also use Nvidia GPUs on Windows. The thing is that They tend to have driver issues on Linux.
I’m also very disappointed with the closed architecture of their software, their recent price hiking in Europe and the fact that they stop supporting older GPUs
TL’DR. I don’t have a bad experience on Windows. At the same time it’s hard to switch to Linux, they dont have open source drivers and they don’t have long term support for their products by turning them obsolete through software
Do you use a tower ? Maybe that the hybrid part (I mostly tried on différents laptop with primus) which never work for me. Or may be the games I play. I tried Warframe, star trek online and planetside2 and my computer freeze after some time. I tried to wait 30 minutes, nothing. I tried to get some dump, no errors… I dislike windows and I try to migrate regularly but I have to go back to windows.
No. Stop.
This is the definition of interrupting your enemy when they’re making a mistake.
Let them kill windows 10, I have atleast 5 friends ready to switch to linux when Windows 10 hits EOL.
Yeah but i still need something windows to stick in my vm.
you’re a toxic optimist beyond saving if you think any of this
I’m no fool. I know Linux isn’t going to hit 100% desktop marketshare the instant windows 10 goes EOL.
But I do know many people who are willing to make the switch rather than to go to Windows 11.
Windows has been bleeding desktop marketshare for years. They are at a far cry from their 80% of the early 2000s.
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I have Linux on all my machines except one crappy old laptop that had Windows 10. When they EOL Win10, I’ll have to buy another one like that for those rare occasions when you need to run something that just won’t work in Linux.
Don’t really care. Once this PC can’t run Windows 10 anymore, it’s getting Mint.
I’ve recently come to realize all of the games I actually like to play, run just fine on Linux. YMMV, of course.
My next computer will be Mint and open source programs.
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I know you said don’t even start, but I’m curious lol.
I’ve used blender a lot, I’ve never used 3DS Max though. What would you say are the biggest issues with Blender in your scenario?
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Yeah I do archviz and bim work and I’ve tried my hardest for years now to switch primarily to blender but even with all the plugins in the world I still can’t use it as a primary replacement. And don’t even get me started on some people’s insistence that FOSSCADs are anywhere near feature parity for any in depth workflow with autodesk’s suite.
I don’t use Windows/Mac over Linux because I love them, I use them because a computer is a toolkit and I need specific tools.
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TIL - Thank you for the insight!
Given the amount of progress on getting 3D games to work well under wine/proton lately, I wonder if it’s possible/practical to run 3ds Max under it yet? The only test results I can find for it are ancient.
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A nonprofit group has sent a petition to Microsoft, urging it to extend the end-of-support date for Windows 10 beyond 2025 to prevent “the junking” of millions of PCs.
“junking”. Install linux on it you mugs!
Yup, putting this date on my calendar as the last time I’ll own a Windows machine.
Everyone knows Microsoft OSs are tick-tock anyway. The failed 11 will be superseded by a well received 12, and the cycle will continue. Can’t kill 10 until 12 is fully accepted. Like 10 and 7 before it.
I find this funny as I remember the first 5 years of Windows 10 be like everyone hates it because it’s not Windows 7
Well it was replacing the tile-silliness of Windows 8, any OS that booted would receive some goodwill in comparison
before 10, on 8.1 everyone was the same with 10, that it will be the next Vista, by the same logic that XP was OK, Vista was NOK, 7 was OK, 8 was shit, 8.1 was OK…
don’t forget, for several years, 10 was unuseable and lots of people - including me was not willing to use it.
for a few years, 11 will be the devil but soonly enough the migration will happen - it has to, if someone needs Windows…
10 became usable when they walked back most feature changes and made it closer to 7. I had completed blocked out the awful start menu at 10 launch.
the start menu on Windows 10 is still unusable to me, so I end up just searching. sometimes it doesn’t even find a match when I type the exact name of the app I’m trying to launch. it’s computer software that can’t search text. I think it’s really good though and I hope that Microsoft makes a lot of money forcing people to buy new computers with Windows licenses attached to them. isn’t Jesus wonderful? God works in mysterious ways. I believe he has a plan for all of us. I’m taking a shit
The start menu is actually pretty good if you spend some time customizing it with your apps and programs. Having organized folders and groups is a “game changer” (ok not really, it’s neat though) for me.
I also recommend adding all the programs to the start menu scrolling thingy. There is a folder somewhere on C: that you can put shortcuts into and they appear in the scrolling menu. Don’t ever rely on the search to launch programs that aren’t in that menu or setup comprehensive indexing yourself.
Or just use “everything” to search for everything. Everything is extremely fast and indexes everything (hence it’s name) very quickly, and you can search with wildcards or boolean operators or my favorite regex.
I have absolutely no desire to do any such thing
Then don’t ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I do it because it makes my life easier (especially with “Everything”) and it doesn’t take long to do. But you do you.
okay thank you that’s very cool and good
failed 11
By what metric (other than clickbaity tech publication headlines)?
Every Windows release, even including “the good ones”, my repair shop has been inundated with requests to go back or post-upgrade troubleshooting work.
We’ve had none of that since 11’s release. The only botched upgrades were due to underlying hardware conditions and everyone else has been neutral at worst.
Have any of the other relases had a hardware requirement that even 3 year old PCs don’t meet? I just built my PC in 2020 and win11 is telling me I can’t upgrade because of my basically new hardware…
My bet is on many many people simply can’t upgrade.
Just about anything from 2018 or newer meets the hardware requirements, but at time of release (October 2021) that was just over 3 years. Ryzen 2000 and Intel 8000 are the initial entry level.l that meet the requirements.
Unless you used 2+ year old parts for you build, you just need to go into UEFI/BIOS and enable the firmware TPM (fTPM) or perform the BIOS update that switches that to being on by default.
I’d recommend the latter since you are likely to also gain stability and/or security improvements going that route.
Thanks for the info! I have a 9900k so that should be fine. It’s on a designairz390 mobo so maybe that was the issue? I’ll have to look into those bios settings
I actually like 11 compared to 10 (so far as I like Windows in the first place - I only use it on my work-provided computer, Linux everywhere else). People rightly complain about the advertising and tracking for why they won’t upgrade but doesn’t 10 have that too?
I still have windows 10 on my work computer which is the only windows device I have, and it is riddled with advertisements, especially the start menu
I wouldn’t count on that, if the rumor mill of windows 12 being a subscription model ends up true, it will be recieved far worse than 11 did.
There’s been articles saying that’s disproven and it’s so far out I don’t get why people are even talking about it at all yet really.
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This was never a thing. Someone took a blurb said by someone on a call, and ran with it. No one fact checked, no one looked at context. At least not until after the articles were out.
The subscription stuff has always been on the enterprise side. Hell, it’s available right now and you don’t see it on the consumer side.
In fact, 11 doesn’t even require activation. You can just install it, never activate, and continue to use it perpetually. How would the next step in their movement away from requiring consumer purchase be to charge monthly for access? Makes no damn sense right out the gate.
I feel like I will have to revisit this comment in a few years with ‘aged like fine milk’… Hope I am wrong.
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I thought it was a little far-fetched as well, but there was a post I believe it was here a few weeks back of people that were running the windows 12 beta snooping around the code and seeing references to subscription classification and typing
This is a PC mag article that refers to it. it doesn’t go in as depth as the other post did
Hold the fucking goddamn phone… We don’t even have 11 in full swing and they’re making 12!? What the actual fuck Microsoft?
I think Microsoft has gotten so used to the swing back and forth that they just assume 12 is going to be a banger. I can think of no worse setup for a train wreck of a release than 12 being the first Microsoft built major OS to break this mold since XP and end up being the 2nd OS in a row that bombed and drove away market share.
I hear them there covid vaccines summon demons to drink your blood, too. There was some snooping around some classified government files, and someone found a reference to “blood”, and that word can’t possible be a reference to anything other than summoned vaccine demons drinking your blood, so there you have it.
Subscription to remove the ads! lol
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